Beef. . . Its What's For Dinner!
 

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I just ate a steak...

What about all the antibiotics the cows need because the corn tears up their guts?

Propaganda, [hooey]cattle may get antibiotics if they have an injury or if they get pneumonia. I have been in beef for 30 years and never heard of giving antibiotics for indigestion.

Most of the time antibiotics are used on dairy cattle for mastitis and that may be in your cheaper ground beef. We rarely use antibiotics on yearlings and never on slaughter ready cattle.

How about the cows at feedlots?

edit: Cattle, sorry, beefs, whatever...

You give cattle antibiotics for the same reason a human would need an antibiotic. Only if they have an injury or pneumonia. Even at feed lots they are not given routinely or as a prophylactic. That is PETA and HSUS's propaganda "lets scare the public away from beef."

Pigs are fed in confinement they get antibiotics in their feed. Maybe this is where that idea comes from.

I don't think the Brits give ATB to their pigs. And if you have ever seen a pig farm in the UK it is like the difference between a slop house (US) and a hospital operating room (UK)

USDA says

summary on pg 16

Cattle on antibiotics must be held from slaughter a certain number of days depending on the antibiotic so it will clear the system. Don't eat kidneys or brains. :)

Cattle are not given antibiotics to help them consume grain. Antibiotics can be in the feed of just started animals, steers and heifers that are 5-6 months old. They are usually bought from commercial breeders and moved to the feedlot which is the human equivalent of kids being exposed to all kinds of things at school.They do not make it to your table until they are 20-24 months old.. That article is from 2007 things change fast in the food industry. We are not a feedlot operation

Not all feedlots use antibiotic feed and again most likely never after the cattle are a year old.

Nirvana... I absolutely believe that your ranch is run with compassion both for the animals and the consumers you are delivering an end product to.

But the fact that you run a clean business doesn't mean that everyone, or even the majority, do. There was a conversation awhile back about "downer" cows, which I remembered well because at the time I'd never even heard of such a thing. You told us that people aren't allowed to eat downer cows, so therefore we don't. Except I've seen video of feedlot owners using a cattle prod to force downer cows to their feet so that they can for an instant qualify as standing, and be slaughtered. It happens. No one is indicting you personally, far from it--but there are majorly corrupt players in your industry.

"Indicting" is a very strange word, don't you think?

This is one instance and it is illegal. What you are talking about is a processor not a feedlot operator. They are two different business and any business can be run by assholes. Those are more likely to be the cows in fast food restaurants not in your grocery store. Most grocers sell choice or select and no way an old or sick cow would ever grade select or choice.

There is always a way to buy beef directly from the producer if you buy a side of beef. Then it goes to a local small processor to be butchered. Saying that video represents the majority of the beef industry is like saying that Saddam Hussein represents the human race.

Old and sick cows do not come from feedlots they are not fed in feedlots, they are the cast offs of the dairy industry. They are sold at livestock auctions and bought by companies that sell to pet food manufacturers, or they are bought to make hamburger for the fast food industry. Only steers and heifers that mature at 20-24 months old are fed in feedlots they are sold directly to the processor or they are sold to beef buyers directly or through auction.

I had a great steak last night. I thank the beef industry.

Clone thread:
Beer...It's What's for Dinner!

Its not a clone thread if its in the same thread!:eyebrow::rolleyes:

;)

That's the lazy man's clone.

It's very common for grass fed beef to be 'topped off' either in a feed lot or the holding yards for a couple of weeks before being sent to slaughter.

Antibiotics are used in Australia in exactly the way Nirvana suggests it's used at her farm. In the case of illness which is unable to be treated without drugs. There is a certain level of residue allowable in the beef that is sent to market but obviously, not every beast has been sick, so the actual proportion of beef with a residual drug level compared to that with none is negligable. In simple terms, it's likely that we've all eaten meat which has a residue however, it wouldn't constitute anywhere near being a part of every meal or even every meal eaten where beef is involved.

PAMTA

I have a beef horror story to tell. Far western Colorado was once the site of a lot of uranium production. When they had gotten all the ore they could, the big mining companies pulled out leaving behind radioactive tailings and just a big nasty mess in general. The feds stepped in to do what cleaning up they could. Everywhere there are settling ponds that are fenced off with big warning signs. Ranchers still graze their cattle in these areas. One day I was driving around there just taking in the general distruction. I came across about 10 cattle who had trampled the fence down around around one of these settling ponds. They were drinking away, obviously not having read the sign. It put me off beef for months!

Beef - its what glows in the dark!

That's why we should have Universal Reading programs on all cattle ranches.

LOL

Gross misstatement hyperbole. :rolleyes:
I just love scare tactic fairy tales! :stickpoke I can't wait for the other stories. Where is my popcorn ;)

Union of Concerned Scientists wtf are these people? I am with the Union of concerned beef eaters LMAO!

Is there proof that using antibiotics in meat animals is the culprit for any disease? Anyone afraid of beef ? Don't eat it but don't use fairy tales to scare others away from a perfectly good and safe protein source. Not all cows are in the food chain. No cows [which are older cattle that have had calves] are in feedlots. Old cows old bulls are made into hamburger, luncheon meat or hotdogs. These cattle do not grade choice or even select.

Most of the antibiotics given are given to dairy cows for mastitis after they calve. Their milk is not suitable for human consumption but it is fed back to their own and other calves. After they are well they are still milked and then you are drinking that product.

No one really cares what other people eat unless they don't want them to eat it or they want to explain whatever physically ails them. All the beef in this country is federally inspected before and after its processed. Read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair if you want to read about what people ate 100 years ago. Antibiotics are expensive most would not want to use them on food animals unless they thought it was necessary.

If you are afraid of antibiotic- resistant diseases tell Drs to stop over prescribing it for humans. Don't think Drs over prescribe drugs? :eyebrow: Then you are not watching television or reading the pamphlets laying all over the Drs office or in the backs of magazines If people want to be healthy they should quit taking the 10 different medications they are prescribed and eat a healthy diet and get off their fat asses and exercise.[please disregard if you have a genetic or acquired disease] [ Acid reflux for example is not a disease it is a symptom of eating the wrong foods or drinking the wrong things.

You can get a drug for acid reflux then to counteract the drug you take for indigestion they give you something else. If you can't sleep you get a drug to sleep and then one to wake up and one to feel better about yourself and one to stop the voices talking in your head probably from using acid reflux pills in the first place.

Tardive Dyskenisia is a common side effect of certain drugs! It may or may not be permanent. That is in a drug ad? WhoTF would take that drug? Lots of people and then they want to blame the food industry for their problems.

I heard this as a child. It describes how so many live nowadays just change the critters to drugs. ;)

There was an old lady who swallowed a fly.
I don't know why she swallowed the fly,
I guess she'll die.

There was an old lady who swallowed a spider,
that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her.
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly.
I don't know why she swallowed the fly.
I guess she'll die.

There was an old lady who swallowed a bird.
How absurd to swallow a bird.
She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her.
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly.
I don't know why she swallowed the fly.
I guess she'll die.

There was an old lady who swallowed a cat.
Imagine that, she swallowed a cat.
She swallowed the cat to catch the bird.
She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her.
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly.
I don't know why she swallowed the fly.
I guess she'll die.

There was an old lady who swallowed a dog.
My what a hog, to swallow a dog.
She swallowed the dog to catch the cat.
She swallowed the cat, to catch the bird,
She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her.
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly.
I don't know why she swallowed the fly.
I guess she'll die.

There was an old lady who swallowed a cow.
I don't know how she swallowed a cow.
She swallowed the cow to catch the dog.
She swallowed the dog, to catch the cat.
She swallowed the cat to catch the bird.
She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
that wiggled and wiggled and tickled inside her.
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly.
I don't know why she swallowed the fly
I guess she'll die.

I know an old lady who swallowed a horse...

She's dead of course!

But don't eat beef it may have antibiotic residue :rolleyes:

Yes doctors should prescribe fewer antibiotics, and people should take them correctly when they actually need them (let me brag about my 10 year old who has NEVER taken an antibiotic, and my 12 year old that's been on them twice, once for a surgical infection, once for an eye infection). Also, Feedlots should not add them to cattle feed and water to promote growth like they currently do but will hopefully soon be unable to..

I'm not on a bunch of prescriptions (birth control only), I'm not overweight, I don't drink cow milk, I eat a mostly plant based diet, and I don't get heartburn. I enjoy steak, just not very often.

Jinx you don't buy into the have to have a drug to be normal. I understand why you may have an aversion.
This above is misinformation, antibiotics are not given to promote the growth of an animal. If antibiotics are given at feedlots they are given to combat shipping fever and pneumonia which occurs because young cattle weaned off their mothers are taken by trucks with unrelated animals to an unknown place. Stress is the trigger for most disease.

Becoming too expensive to raise food animals is the goal of the Animal Rights activists. Pretty soon you won't be able to have pets or eat meat. Frightening the public with misinformation and hyperbole is the ARs weapon of choice.

Why does the USDA think they are?

No Crab leggs are for dinner

I am having panko/almond coated tilapia :P

This is from the USDA link above. I realize it's from 2007, I don't think that's long enough ago to discount it based on age alone. More recent information on the topic points to legislation to end the practice, so obviously that hasn't happened yet...

I think that is more for mono gastric animals rather than ruminants but thanks for the insight.

The USDA link is from 2007, but its cites are from 1983, 1978, 1997 and 1991.

They don't need to study the effects of antibiotics every year do they UT? Once they knew how things worked they went with it, and apparently still do.

Yes, my mistake; I had interpreted

"Oral antibiotics, especially those that act on Gram positive organisms, became widely used at sub-therapeutic levels for their consistent ability to improve the growth of livestock (Crawford, 1983; Droumev, 1983)."

...as meaning that Oral antibiotics became widely used at sub-therapeutic levels (1983)

but I think I interpreted that incorrectly and the (1983) studies mention their consistent ability to improve the growth of livestock.

Carry on. And sorry LJ.

don't let it happen again.



wait.... sorry for wut?

I was skeptical about something jinx posted. I know you hate that.

well, as long as you're not being passive aggressive, we're cool.

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what does that smiley indicate?

passive-aggressiveness

I thought it was aggressive-passiveness.

well, i'd prefer to discuss an issue like men instead of making vague references and posting smileys to convey how I feel.... but I can't carry out BOTH sides of a discussion... so If you just want to let it drop, I won't press the issue, Tony.

That is correct. Generally used in poultry to help them digest their food easier, which in turn has enabled the body to spend more time growing and less time fighting a particular bacteria which is prevalent in the gut of a chicken.

It's not a big deal. You poked me over the vitamin C and potatoes thing, now I poked you back is all.

You guys keep poking each other and people are going to start to talk.

Pix or it never happened! :)

;)

The amount of antibiotics shunted into these animals is sub-therapeutic, which isn't high, at all... The likelihood of much being left in the meat, post-slaughter, isn't that high, anyway... and the levels that MAY be within the meat, are far too low to actively effect us... Those used for non-medicinal purposes, within livestock, are also too low to actively effect any bacteria/diseases within them, which means it's not helping the bacteria/diseases become more resilient to said antibiotics.

I'm happy for my meat to be cheap... I enjoy eating a well balanced, nutritionally-sound diet, and, more than that - a completely natural diet... Vegetarianism and Vegan-ism are not natural, and are not as healthy as a well-balanced meat diet... The more expensive that meat becomes, the more malnourished we'll become, 'cept the richer amongst us, of course... So, until there's some other means of making meat cheap? I'm all for whatever they do, 'cos I refuse to eat a herbivore's diet, when I'm part of an omnivorous species, that requires many things from the meat that we evolved to digest.

(*Note: Anyone who's going to come here, and tell me that vegetarianism or vegan-ism are perfectly acceptable/natural forms of diet... Tell me, when was the last time you heard of someone's gut being unable to process, say, chicken, or beef? My girlfriend knows a lady who's unable to process most plant matter, including most grain... but she's more than able to process meats, still. We can become allergic to all manner of plant, but meat? No, sir. Why, my vegetarian and vegan friends, do you think that is? ... 'cos it's the most natural thing for us to eat. Our brains need it. Our bodies need it. Nothing you say or offer can change that fact... Well, other than pro-vegetarian/vegan biased websites with poorly researched pseudo-facts... but, well, to believe the crap they say, is like saying you believe George W. Bush was an intelligent man who absolutely KNEW that there were W.M.D in Iraq, or that there is a just reason for the war to STILL be going on, even to this day.)

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Uh, yeah, the supposed mechanics of antibiotic resistance isn't antibiotics in the meat you buy, it's the bacteria on feedlots being constantly exposed to the low-level antibiotics in the feed and water and being spread to the surrounding community via the workers.

Imagine a link to information on pig feedlots and MRSA here.

Also, chickens aren't called cattle in the US.

They are on the Chicken Ranch.

And this is not the chicken or Pork thread! :)

Hobos: the other red meat.

I'd give human a try. It's meant to taste like heavy-on-the-salt pork, right?

So... bacon?

It tastes like chicken!

I am not sure why the USDA thinks it is ok to eat antibiotic laden beef but my water out of the tap is preferable to spring water.

Anything closest to its natural state is best imo but that's just me. I grew up eating our own slaughtered beef, chickens and drank well water. Not even the apples taste real anymore.

Uhm, wrong, very wrong. I had a teach who was allergic to poultry, pork and fish. I have also known (perfectly healthy) vegetarians who would get extremely sick if they ate meat. It is completely likely that there is a number of people who are allergic to all manners of meat. There are plenty of plant-based proteins, which is the main nutrition we get from meat. The vegetarian Indian people I've also known didn't seem to be malnourished.
Although I think it is perfectly fine for meat to be affordable, Americans over-consume meat in major proportions that are not at all healthy for us.

Healthy? That's one of those words whose definitions are so vague as to be meaningless. What does healthy mean to you? I've know of perfectly "healthy" people who have dropped down dead (e.g. Jim Fixx, Steve Prefontaine).