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TheMercenary 07-08-2010 10:10 PM

MAC users
 
Anyone out there.

My puter died.

I had to buy a new one.

I made the switch to a MAC Book Pro 17" Laptop.

It is a difficult transition after so many years, greater than 10, on a windows based platform.

My biggest problem right now is figuring out how to visualize my Word and Excel files in a format similar to the windows view. Right now all I have figured out is viewing them in some type of rudimentary tree list that looks like DOS from the 1980's.

I have this Microsoft Document Connection, but I don't know what it does yet or how it may help me.

I need to be able to view all my files in a format similar to Windows Explorer mode in an organized manner.

And in iPhoto, how can I organize my "events" into sub folders so every time I open the program you can't see all the pics, like the ones I don't want someone to see who happens to be looking over your shoulder at the time, see? I need to hide some folders within folders and it does not seem like there is a way to do that. All the picture folders are seen all the time.

Any MAC heads out there that can help it would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Pete Zicato 07-08-2010 10:48 PM

First don't try to force the Mac to work like windows. It does the same stuff but it has a different underlying metaphor.

If I understand what you're asking for, you want to get comfortable with the finder. Switch to the finder and press command-comma to get to the finder's preferences. You might find what you're looking for there. If you can be more descriptive about what you want finder to do or how you want it to look, I might be able to help.

I also highly recommend you read through Mac OS X Snow Leopard: The Missing Manual. It's the best book for getting started on the Mac.

TheMercenary 07-08-2010 11:11 PM

Thanks for the help.

I guess my problem is that I have all these really important word and excel files organized on my old puter where I can view them in really organized files like you see in windows explorer. I want to be able to view the saved files on my mac in an organized manner. It seems that the finder window has the files there but they are haphazard and abreviated so it is hard for me to see what I am actually looking at when I view a file. And they are all mixed up on the MAC, like the organization is just gone..

I have to deal with 3 states worth of Refs and the finances and it is so far not an easy transition.

TheMercenary 07-08-2010 11:22 PM

And another thing.

How do I change my homepage away from Apple?

God I can't believe I have assimilated. Steve Jobs is trying to control my mind and bank account.

Damm You Al Gore!

Lamplighter 07-08-2010 11:30 PM

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Maybe if you do a screen shot (Contrl+Apple+3) we could see what you have, as compared with a screen shot in Explorer to see what you want.

The Finder (Desktop view) shows folders (directories), but if you double click the icon for "Macintosh HD" you may start seeing the similarities with MS. For each folder you can set it to a MS-like format by clicking on the middle icon above "View".

HTH

TheMercenary 07-09-2010 12:07 AM

Ok, that helped a bunch. In the finder window I just changed it to a file view and it looked a lot more organized. In the list view it was completely disorganized and haphazard.

Now how do I change my home page away from apple to google?

gvidas 07-09-2010 01:03 AM

In the second to leftmost menu (just right of the apple), presumably 'Safari' or some other browser, hit 'Preferences.' Under the 'general' tab, should be a setting for homepage.

Lamplighter 07-09-2010 01:06 AM

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Ok, that helped a bunch. In the finder window I just changed it to a file view and it looked a lot more organized. In the list view it was completely disorganized and haphazard.

Now how do I change my home page away from apple to google?

I think what you are asking for is dependent on the application you are using to access the internet (Firefox, Safari, etc.) Try going into the Preferences of the application to see if there is a menu to set the "Home Page", and then a place to enter your link to Google. This is my setting in Firefox via Comcast.net

Flint 07-09-2010 07:25 AM

Use a business platform to do business.

Pete Zicato 07-09-2010 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 669621)
Use a business platform to do business.

Flint is absolutely right. And there's nothing more businessy than the BSD unix in the Mac.

Don't panic Merc. You should expect that it'll take you a couple of days to learn your way around. Do get a copy of that book. It'll speed up the process.

bigw00dy 07-09-2010 09:40 AM

Always remember...drop the program icon in the applications tab.

That was my biggest realization when I switched to Mac. I downloaded handbrake video converter and thought I installed it correctly. The next time I restarted, it was gone...! I was pissed off and confused.

Then I actually watched a 3 minute demo and learned a thing or two.

When a program downloads, its placed in the finder under 'downloads'. Open the file and look for the programs icon. Click on the icon and drag and drop it into the applications tab. Baam!

I have never looked back.

Pooka 07-09-2010 03:37 PM

BTW Honey... I know you are a PC and all... but Macs out sell PCs these day... want to see me be less of a computer retard ( totally not pc... forgive me, but it totally applies to me based on literal definition)... buy me a MAC...

Flint 07-09-2010 03:47 PM

No.

Pooka 07-09-2010 03:48 PM

Gawd you're such a hard ass Papa

(stomps feet on floor and wines like a 3 year old).

Flint 07-09-2010 05:34 PM

Oh God--don't do that.

Folks, she doesn't really do that.



I'd slap the sass out of her mouth.



Edit: New Apple Friend Bar Gives Customers Someone To Talk At About Mac Products

Pooka 07-09-2010 05:59 PM

Haha... no I don't ... but our 3 year old does... with differnt word choices of course.

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Flint 07-09-2010 08:52 PM

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Pete Zicato 07-12-2010 04:15 PM

Apple clobbers competition in customer satisfaction survey

It's two year old data, but I doubt the numbers have changed that much.

Lamplighter 07-12-2010 04:52 PM

Pete, in all fairness the lower scores of PC's was probably based on the VISTA OS which has been replaced with Windows 7.
Even the IT people early on recognized the OS "disaster" and planned to do something about it.

Windows 7 was a major improvement as documented here by one of the Dwellers.








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jinx 07-12-2010 04:58 PM

I don't have problems with vista. I had a major problem with my vaio but it's all better now... does what I want, when I want, every time.

I've had several ipods, I'd be hesitant to rely on anything i that's more complicated than the screwy but expensive mp3 players.

xoxoxoBruce 07-12-2010 04:58 PM

They are also a lot more money, but the fanboys would become apologists before they'd bad mouth apple.

Lamplighter 07-12-2010 06:11 PM

Have you ever wondered why the Israli's and Hammas can't get over their problems. Maybe we should engage them in this PC vs Apple flap and the old Middle East problems would melt away.

I've used both Mac's and PC's professionally since the mid-80's and do not believe either side has yet won their battle... like the wars between Chevy's and Fords in years gone by. Name-calling doesn't win points with me either. I gotten now so I'd rather send a little poke ;) to which ever side starts the latest go-around.

TheMercenary 07-22-2010 05:12 PM

I just got tired of watching all my kids, who have apple laptops for school, have absolutely no freaking software problems or hardware issues while the wife and I struggle every year with all of those problems as well as an endless stream of virus/worm issues, etc.

I am having a really hard time adjusting to the new platform but I think it will just take time to learn how to use it. So far I have had a total of about 4 full days of use so the jury is still out. I don't like the lack of and format of the windows explorer view. I don't like the way that iPhoto works. I am struggling with Safari but have hope. Not really all that jazzed about the Excel and Word programs for MAC. That is about as far in as I have gotten to date.

TheMercenary 07-22-2010 05:54 PM

I don't like that the delete button is actually a back button, not a forward eating delete button.

gvidas 07-22-2010 06:15 PM

The Finder has a pretty wide range of view options. I'm not sure what it is that you're missing about Windows Explorer exactly, but have you tried all the view options? In Finder, toggle on View -> Show Toolbar and View -> Show Path Bar, and then try the four buttons across the top ('View as icons, list, columns, cover flow.')

Toolbar will give you back/forward buttons, path bar will show you the directory tree to where you are, and columns gives a nice sort of 'contextual' sense of what's in a directory and where it is.

At some point, once things are starting to gel a bit for you, I'd encourage a skim through a list of keyboard shortcuts. There's all sorts of nifty little features that are under-publicized, like springloaded folders.

Lamplighter 07-22-2010 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 672111)
I don't like that the delete button is actually a back button, not a forward eating delete button.

There are 2 keys marked Delete.
...one deletes to the left, the other deletes to the right
The former is next to the = key,
The latter is 3 rows below F14, and has a => symbol

TheMercenary 07-22-2010 06:46 PM

My key board only goes to F12; my > symbol has a period below it = .

New Mac Book Pro

Lamplighter 07-22-2010 07:25 PM

Sorry, I have the full keyboard and so may not be of help to you.
You might try (although it doesn't work on mine) to press the various Shift, Contrl, Option, Apple keys to see if they affect the DELETE action.

Also, trying HELP / keyboard / shortcuts on your Mac may uncover something of help.

gvidas 07-22-2010 07:30 PM

Try this key combo: fn + delete

'fn' being the 'function' key probably in the bottom left of your keyboard.

If you want to make it permanent, this looks like a possible solution: http://doublecommand.sourceforge.net/

TheMercenary 07-22-2010 07:36 PM

Thanks for all the help guys, the fn + delete worked.

Keep those suggestions coming. I am determined to learn this.

I need to watch a tutorial.

Lamplighter 07-22-2010 07:54 PM

Good catch, Gvidas

Merc, I think the key is to relax.
There's not that much difference between PC and Mac.
...just many preconceived ideas no matter which side you're coming from.

TheMercenary 07-22-2010 08:28 PM

I am trying hard to over come them, thanks for your support. It is just going to take time to grow on me.

Part of the problem is that I am so much more familiar with the other platform that I feel lost. But I am in for the long haul, considering the financial investment.

Pete Zicato 07-25-2010 07:33 PM

Macs also allow you to use most of the emacs control key combinations. So Ctrl + D will also do a delete.

You can get this stuff in dribbles, but you really ought to skim that book I recommended earlier. It's an easy read.

TheMercenary 07-26-2010 03:23 PM

Ok, Thanks, another quick question.

I see a pic I want to save either on an email or just on the web. On PC I would just right click and hit save and then save to a file. There is no right click on this thing. How would I save a pic after I place my cursor over it?

Lamplighter 07-26-2010 04:01 PM

Usually, you can just click on the pic and drag it to your desktop.

Once on your desktop you can double-click and see it in PREVIEW, and this gives you the option of changing the file-type (via SAVE AS), along with a few simple tools.

TheMercenary 07-26-2010 06:19 PM

Cool. Thanks again!

I am really having an issue with bookmarks now. It is a total mess. Any pointers?

TheMercenary 07-26-2010 06:20 PM

I have a file with all my previous "favorites" saved in a file. How do I migrate that file to the bookmarks of my MAC?

gvidas 07-26-2010 08:12 PM

Control - click will give you contextual menus / most of the functionality of a right click.

TheMercenary 07-26-2010 08:23 PM

COOL, thanks. Keep those tips coming. :thumb:

Pete Zicato 07-26-2010 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 672806)
There is no right click on this thing.

If you have an apple mouse, you can make it do right clicks, but it's not turned on by default. Open the preferences app and choose the mouse.

If you have a laptop, you can command (clover) click on something for a right-click. You also should look into the touchpad gestures. They are one of the best things about an apple laptop.

Sperlock 07-26-2010 10:47 PM

I got a regular mouse so I could right click - I can't stand the way Apple does it. As for favorites, Safari can import bookmarks, but I am not sure how or how well it works. I would just back them up in Firefox then restore them in Firefox on my Mac. Firefox will automatically bring over IE favorites, last time I checked.

Pete Zicato 07-27-2010 01:57 PM

You don't have to buy a different mouse. The regular apple mouse will do both left and right clicks. You just have to turn it on in the preferences.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB...co=MTMzNzYzMzc

TheMercenary 07-27-2010 02:38 PM

Ok, I will try that.

xoxoxoBruce 07-29-2010 12:26 AM

Problems with Safari.

Pete Zicato 07-29-2010 02:56 PM

It's true. Apple programmers are fallable. OSX has flaws. And Steve Jobs is not God.

OSX has a few security advantages in that BSD was written with the internet and multiuser in mind. But a lot of its current shine in regards to security comes from the fact that virus and malware creators don't pay it much mind.

Flint 07-29-2010 04:00 PM

It's security through obscurity.

The more popular it gets, the less secure it will be.

Which is funny if its popularity is based on being more secure.

Lamplighter 07-29-2010 06:52 PM

The Mac vs PC debate continues... and just to be fair and balanced... ;)

The bold emphasis below is mine
All of the links inside the quote below were deleted via the transfer to this post.
The fixes for the various problems have been snipped, but are available in the link to the original article

Quote:

Problems with Windows 7
Though there are a few problems with Windows 7 that users may have to deal with occasionally, this still remains a very stable operating system. With the changes that Microsoft has made to this OS, it is the true successor of Windows XP.

Windows 7 is the leading operating system distributed by Microsoft today, and it was released to the world less than 3 years after the release of the terribly slow and memory heavy Windows Vista. This is not to say that there are no problems with Windows 7 to deal with, every computer operating system has their own issues, but Microsoft has finally come out with a stable system since their legendary Windows XP OS.

Windows 7 started selling worldwide by October, 2009, and introduced a whole host of new features to the Windows using world. Users of Windows Vista will be well aware of the toll the OS took on the memory of the machine, and how the tasty looking aero-graphics made one's PC unbearably slow. Windows 7 has none of these issues to deal with, but as with all other computer programs and structures, this OS too has its own share of problems to contend with.

Problems with Windows 7
Here are some problems that have been repeatedly reported by Windows 7 users.
Some of these problems have very easy solutions, whereas some require a detailed check by a computer repair shop.

Aero-graphics not running: <snip>
Windows 7 themes change custom icons: <snip>
iPhone problems: <snip>.
Taskbar problems: <snip>

Internet problems: There are plenty of Internet problems with Windows 7, and most of these are related to problems with Internet Explorer 8. There are certain compatibility and page rendering issues that the new IE8 throws up, and this can be solved by using a different web browser altogether. Problems with Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 8 are bound to occur from time to time, and there is not much that one can do in order to fix this. This article on Internet Explorer 8 problems with Windows 7 will shed more light on this particular problem.

DVD audio problems: <snip>
XP mode problems: <snip>
Power plan problems: <snip>
Extension problems: <Snip>

By Rahul Thadani
Published: 7/5/2010
For the record: I use Mac's and I use PC's for both personal and professional purposes.
I fail to see the value to trying to beat up on either platform.
The computing world is what it is, and over time the differences between systems is narrowing.
So be it.

TheMercenary 08-01-2010 02:32 PM

What kind of virus prevention programs are you guys using on your MAC?

fargon 08-01-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 673895)
What kind of virus prevention programs are you guys using on your MAC?

None, It is not needed.

TheMercenary 08-01-2010 05:47 PM

I am not sure that everyone would support that opinion.

Lamplighter 08-01-2010 06:41 PM

I'm on the Comcast ISP and they provide free anti-virus software for both PC and Mac (via Norton). I tried out the Norton and it made everything (Firefox) run exceedingly slow.

Before Comcast I had used the ClamXav Sentry which is free and runs very fast... so I have removed the Norton and gone back to ClamXas Sentry. No problems at all.

Actually, I 've not had any virus problems on any of my Mac's since I started using them (MacPlus) in 1985 or there abouts.

FWIW, I always ran anti-virus programs on my PC's and kept them up to date... so my problems there have been minimal.

TheMercenary 08-01-2010 08:34 PM

Thanks.

Pete Zicato 08-02-2010 09:21 AM

It can't last forever, but for now no one seems to be writing virii for the mac.


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