New CPR
 

New method of CPR is more effective, requires no training/certification, no mouth to mouth, and you can't be held liable.



It's not really new, new, it's been around about 3 years. long enough to show excellent results compared to the old way.

They're still training the old way, though, although they suggest this as an alternative action

Yeah, American Red Cross hasn't adopted this new way yet.

I see it used in TV :D

I like that the rate is the same as the beat to "Stayin' Alive." Whoever figured that out is a mnemonic genius.

Not so.

My recent American Red Cross training *did* include compression only CPR.

From their website:

When I got my CPR/AED certification last Fall, they taught the "old" method and did not include this new one. The instructor mentioned it in response to a question, but we didn't practice it on the dummies, and it wasn't on the test or in the handouts.

probably don't want it spread around, because then they wouldn't make any money on certification and renewals

Yeah, those rich bastards at the Red Cross are always trying to screw us.
:right:

No "bastards" were "screwed" in the making of this thread.

or were they?

Lemme check ....


Nope, I'm good.

or disappointed, whichever!

:)

Another piece of the puzzle is that it seems when the general public is given very simple, clear guidelines on how to do compression only CPR, they are much more likely to intervene in a cardiac situation since they are more confident in their abilities. That then leads to higher survival rates since at least something is being done during that golden window where minutes matter until more advanced life support via EMS can arrive and take over. I doubt CPR for the professional rescuer will change since we have access to oxygen, bag-valve masks, airway adjuncts, IV's, drugs, etc. It will be interesting to see where this goes though.

I've never been in a situation where I had to do this (fortunately, and doubly fortunately since I've never had the training.) To be honest, I've always been kinda squicked about the mouth to mouth thing; and wondered if I would be willing to do this for someone who had blood or puke or foam in their mouths. I'd do it for my child or someone I loved, but for a stranger? I might hesitate (hangs head in shame). This looks better.

hahahahaha :3eye:

It also works with "Another One Bites the Dust."

There's a good reason to get trained.

One of the primary things they teach you is to look after yourself first and that it's OK to do that. Nobody would expect anybody to do direct mouth-to-mouth on a vomit-caked stranger. Get trained. You'll be reassured and gain confidence, even if you never have to use it. And you have grandbabies now. They need different care. Go do a CPR and first aid course that includes infant and child care. You'll feel empowered.

^^ Totally agree^^

I think that's probably good advice

There will always be a distinction between pre-hospital and hospital based CPR. The current research on pre-hospital CPR as posted is actually based on sound research. You can't compare the apples and oranges of pre-hospital and hospital based CPR with the added element of medical training and lay training. Just a thought.

QFT


I wasn't attempting to discount lay CPR training, on the contrary actually. What I was trying to say is that anything that gets people to intervene during a cardiac situation is a good thing in my book. It improves the chances of survival and decreases the possibility of permanent damage to the victim. I'm all for compression only adult CPR to be the new lay standard.

IMO we should have some sort of incentive to the general population to get trained and stayed trained such as getting a tax credit of some sort. Relying on goodwill works fine, but the more the merrier.

I'm hoping that means something like Quite Fucking True rather than Queer Frivolous tart -although the latter would be flattering in other circs, I'm sure

Quoted For Truth, although I admit Quite Fucking True is a much more colorful way to say it.

In the video they mentioned several times, using the CCC method you can't be sued, which we all know is bullshit. Anybody can be sued for any stupid thing. But anyway, if a person that's not certified uses the old CPR, can they be held liable? Even if they stayed in a Holiday Inn Express?

It is bullshit, you can break many ribs during chest compressions. And believe me it's easy to do and expected during the course of normal compressions (you can feel them break, kinda gross but oh well). Many states have Good Samaritan laws in place to protect bystanders who intervene during a medical emergency, regardless of their training, if they are acting in good faith.

They mentioned the broken ribs with the response, who cares, they're dying, broken ribs is the least of their problems.

Of course, they might get pissy about it if they were really taking a nap. :haha:

There actually is a significant risk with breaking ribs curing compressions. The overzealous person may push down so hard that the broken rib punctures a lung. That's when shit really hits the fan, pneumothorax is a bitch. That's why in CPR class they give a certain depth range for your compressions so you don't push too hard and too far down.

I was surprised they said a couple inches deflection, that sounded like an awful lot.

I was also surprised they said not to check for a pulse--if the guy is having a stroke, and you start compressing the shit out of his chest, you're just going to make his heart stop too.

Really? Can't give CPR to a stroke victim?

Not unless their heart has stopped. Strokes typically result in a blood vessel blockage in the brain, which then deprives the brain of oxygen. This starves the cells and can lead to permanent brain damage, stoppage of various organs in the body, or death. Strokes do not always lead to the heart stopping, hence why you should absolutely check for a carotid pulse before beginning CPR on anyone. A stroke is basically the same thing as a heart attack just up in your grey goo. For some reason blood flow to a particular area has been interrupted and now the cells are dying.

But more importantly, doing CPR on someone whose heart is beating can cause it to stop. That's why in medical dramas it's always so obvious they're not really pushing on the other actor's chest even the slightest bit. When I was in high school, a group of boys were playing a "let's punch each other as hard as we can in the chest" game, and one of them keeled over dead. True story.

I may have pushed too hard. :o

Pectus excavatum.