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There will be champagne toasts galore and endless speeches about good will and mutual cooperation between America and China during tonight's White House state dinner for Chinese President and Communist Party General Secretary Hu Jintao. Here are three issues that probably won't be on the agenda during Hu's time in this country because President Obama and others in the U.S. government fear that raising them would offend Beijing.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinio...-probably-wont

China will continue to march forward with modernization of its military, holding down it currency, and becoming more of a radical and assertive influence in the areas it considers it's circle of influence in the China Sea, regardless of anything Obama says....

Another interesting assessment.

Hu and the Communiqués

http://nationalinterest.org/commenta...qu%C3%A9s-4734

Did Horton just hear a Hu?

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 706667)

Yes, so why should he be demanding answers as the Examiner suggests?
Our relationship with China is like having a pet elephant, we may go everywhere together, but the elephant may be choosing where everywhere is.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 706742)

Did Horton just hear a Hu?

Hu's on first?

I thought human rights was one of the topics that will be discussed? It may be Hilary instead of Obama but the topic of China's imprisonment of Liu Xiaobo was brought up in almost every article I read about Hu's visit.

Either way, I feel that article is just a bunch of fear-mongering. China will be our biggest competitor in the upcoming century but as of right now I have major doubts that it will lead to a second cold war. We are too dependent on each other.

I think you meant to say our I.O.Hu.'s are too big to fail.

Apparently many are is missing a problem that makes this meeting so important. Extremists on both sides have been ratcheting up the hate that would only end in war.

For example, when Sec of Defense Gates met with Hu, Gates mentioned China's new stealth plane that had flown just that day. Hu apparently had not even been told it exists. Extremists in the PLA routinely do not bother to tell the party what is ongoing. Paranoia in the party would only increase.

Obama has a similar problem. Secret American military programs are larger than the combined militaries of the next five countries. That is America's secret military program.

Meanwhile fatherland security has grown so large so fast that even former CIA and National Security Directors did not know about programs they were responsible for. Many of these programs are being run by Americans extremists who have agendas that are similar to the attitude of their Chinese counterparts.

How often are you spied upon? Guaranteed many if not all your phone conversation have been monitored or even stored somewhere. We do not know how massive this 'fatherland security' has grown. We know virtually every overseas conversation is recorded or monitored somewhere. Who is overseeing all this? Apparently no one. That sounds so much like the problems that Hu and the Chinese Communist party is suffering from.

Hu is here so that two leaders can establish enough trust so as to be able to keep their own extremists in line. Honesty, understanding, and trust between leaders is essential to any constructive relationship. Extremists on both sides will so often do anything to destroy that.

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 706776)

I thought human rights was one of the topics that will be discussed?

Yeah, I heard on the radio that the Examiner's first question will be or has been addressed. I suppose it's good form to scold them on human rights (though we've been descending from the moral high ground lately), but at this point it seems to be a ritual where we scold and they act all huffy, and then we get down to business.

The other questions boiled down to "why is China making toys like ours?"

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 706752)

Our relationship with China is like having a pet elephant, we may go everywhere together, but the elephant may be choosing where everywhere is.

Well stated.

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 706782)

The other questions boiled down to "why is China making toys like ours?"

You have kids right?

Did you want those with or without lead. Let me know so I can send them the right ones....

China is the US's biggest importer of new citizens. Is there a lead test for citizenship?

Yea, we just weigh them at the border.

The China/America border?

Yea, AKA as the Port of LA.

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 706782)

...The other questions boiled down to "why is China making toys like ours?"

easy. and i am in agreement with merc but this is a valid albeit funny point. penis envy.

I thought it was about this fucked up Dow campaign.

Huge In Towel doesn't look so Huge In Suit.

http://www.topnews.in/files/Hu-Jintao-Obama3.jpg

China's and the US debt go hand in hand, and the world seems stable.
But if China is laying off our debt to others, could this be a forewarning
that the magnitude of their purchases may be coming down soon.

NY Times
Data Shows Less Buying of U.S. Debt by China
By FLOYD NORRIS
Published: January 21, 2011

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FOR eight years after the United States resumed running large budget deficits in 2002,
China was the largest lender, buying a fifth of the new Treasury
securities sold during that span — an expenditure of more than $900 billion.
During 2006, China financed more than half the American deficit.
When the financial crisis struck hardest, China spent more than $100 billion on Treasuries
over the two-month period of September and October 2008.

But over the last year, China has been a net seller of Treasury securities,
according to figures released this week by the American government.
If that is true, it would be extraordinary, considering the size of the bilateral trade deficit,
and there has been speculation that China has been purchasing Treasuries through accounts in other countries.

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It is not easy to see how the Chinese government managed to keep its currency
from rising more rapidly against the dollar if it did not continue buying Treasuries in 2010,
and there has been speculation that it shifted purchases to accounts managed by British money managers.

If so, such purchases would show up as British purchases.
As it turns out, Britain is estimated to have been the largest purchaser of Treasuries
over the 12-month period, adding $356 billion to its holdings.
That made it by far the largest buyer, followed by Japan.
The only other major seller during the period was Russia, according to the government estimates.

If China has been buying through money managers,
it may be easier at some point for it to begin selling Treasuries through
the British channel without others understanding where the selling pressure is coming from.

Ya know what I heard?

An hour after Obama met Hu he felt like he wanted to meet him again.

:lol: Brianna, you are bad. D'you think he could fit him in the microwave, though?

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 707110)

Huge In Towel doesn't look so Huge In Suit.

http://www.topnews.in/files/Hu-Jintao-Obama3.jpg

Chinamen of a certain age always seem to look uncomfortable when not wearing a Mao jacket. I do notice that both he and the Bro-in-Chief are wearing matching Commie Red ties.