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classicman 06-15-2011 02:06 PM

Transparency - Not!
 
[quote]President Obama granted plum jobs and appointments to almost 200 people who raised large sums for his presidential campaign, and his top fundraisers have won millions of dollars in federal contracts, according to a new report from the Center for Public Integrity.

In one example, Telecom executive Donald H. Gips "bundled" half a million dollars in contributions to the president for his reelection campaign.

Gips went on to take charge of hiring in the Obama White House and (was later) named ambassador to South Africa. And his company, Level 3 Communications, was granted millions in stimulus contracts for broadband projects. Gips told iWatch he was "completely unaware" of the federal windfall. The company has taken $13.8 million in stimulus money.

The report found that 80 percent of Obama bundlers who raised $500,000 or more for Mr. Obama - many of whom are being asked to do the same for his reelection bid - ended up in "key administration posts," in the words of the White House.

Mr. Obama's decision to reward his donors follows the pattern of his presidential predecessors. But it flies in the face of his campaign promise to reduce the clout of moneyed special interests. The report shows how his bundlers ended up working in the Department of Justice, Department of Energy and the Federal Communications Commission, among other federal agencies, and been appointed to policy advisory commissions.

Read more:

I guess this just is the way it is. I still think it sucks. Don't care upon which side of the political fence you stand.

Spexxvet 06-15-2011 02:30 PM

Business as usual.

xoxoxoBruce 06-17-2011 09:11 AM

People who raised money for him, are people he can trust not to stab him in the back, once appointed.

classicman 06-17-2011 09:16 AM

I hear that.
Ranked by amount of money donated to Mr. Obama in 2008
2. Goldman Sachs, $994,795
6. Citibank, $701,290
7. JP Morgan Chase, $695,132
12. UBS Financial, $543,219
17. Morgan Stanley, $514,881
18. General Electric, $499,130

That's a lot of money...

xoxoxoBruce 06-17-2011 09:18 AM

Yes, but weren't they all playing both sides of the ballot?

regular.joe 06-17-2011 09:23 AM

Money buys things. That is why people spend money. Do we really think donors who spend 500,000 dollars or more are not buying something?? I don't think these were charitable contributions. I don't think there is anything really bad going on here....it is the way of the world.

classicman 06-17-2011 10:16 AM

@ Bruce - of course.
@Joe - "it is the way of the world."
but its gotta change.

Fair&Balanced 06-17-2011 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 740536)
I hear that.
Ranked by amount of money donated to Mr. Obama in 2008
2. Goldman Sachs, $994,795
6. Citibank, $701,290
7. JP Morgan Chase, $695,132
12. UBS Financial, $543,219
17. Morgan Stanley, $514,881
18. General Electric, $499,130

That's a lot of money...

Not disputing the money in politics, but these numbers regardless of the recipient, are a little deceiving in that they include contributions from any employees of the companies, from the CEO to the mail clerk or admin assistant.

classicman 06-17-2011 12:36 PM

Yeh, I know. but the list of names is rather interesting, no?
Notice any trends with those specific ones?

Fair&Balanced 06-17-2011 12:44 PM

The only trend is that I would guess that many of the above probably also gave a near equal amount to the McCain campaign.

added:
And they probably all gave more to Republican congressional candidates in 2010. They tend to play both sides, but more on those they project to be the winners.

Sundae 06-17-2011 12:56 PM

You could easily make a similar list of contributors to the Labour or Conservative Party and match it with the Honours list (people who get letters after their name or knighthoods or peerages from the Queen). All the world around, money buys you privilege. To pretend otherwise is naive.

Politics is politics, power is power. And no-one makes it to the top without a little baksheesh. But there are plenty of people who really are working for the public good and do not have the top of the tree as their intended destination. If more people VOTED for them, we'd all be more satisfied.

classicman 06-17-2011 01:19 PM

@ F&B
Probably - either way the big banks had/have their asses covered, even with all that talk & bluster of reform - Pah!

Spexxvet 06-17-2011 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 740597)
Yeh, I know. but the list of names is rather interesting, no?
Notice any trends with those specific ones?

Bush bailed them all out. Except GE

I win!:p:

classicman 06-17-2011 02:35 PM

lol -

TheMercenary 06-17-2011 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 740613)
@ F&B
Probably - either way the big banks had/have their asses covered, even with all that talk & bluster of reform - Pah!

How many people did Obama hire into his Administration from Goldman Sachs after the people gave them bailout money and golden parachutes?

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Goldman was Obama’s biggest campaign contributor ($994,795) in 2008 and before that as a candidate to the Senate. Rahm took in $80,000 from Goldman Sachs as a Congressman and was on a $3,000 a month retainer from Goldman while he worked as Bill Clinton’s chief fund raiser.
Here is a short list:

http://my.firedoglake.com/fflambeau/...-on-big-banks/

TheMercenary 06-17-2011 05:13 PM

On a related subject.

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Judicial Watch uncovered hundreds of documents from the City of Dayton, Ohio, showing that Department of Justice (DOJ) officials pressured the Dayton Police and Fire Departments to lower testing standards because not enough African-American candidates passed the written exam. On May 25, Judicial Watch also filed a lawsuit against the DOJ to obtain additional records related to the Dayton program after the DOJ failed to respond to a Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of Justice (No. 11-971)).
http://biggovernment.com/tfitton/201...ce-department/

TheMercenary 06-17-2011 05:16 PM

And another!

Quote:

The National Labor Relations Board continues to prove that the NLRB was established for Big Labor and Big Business while leaving employees out of the process. In complete arrogance, the NLRB has told South Carolina employees and their families that NLRB’s General Counsel Lafe Solomon’s plan to shut down Boeing’s South Carolina factory and eliminate jobs is none of their business.
As the National Right To Work Legal Defense Foundation press release put it: “Obama NLRB to South Carolina Boeing Employees: ‘You Have No Stake in Your Jobs’”
Furthermore, the NLRB ruled that it was no one else’s business because it has chosen not to allow any amicus curiae briefs to be filed.
The Machinists union also scornfully rejected the employees’ concerns. Both Solomon and the Machinists argued that the case that Solomon has brought against Boeing is “. . . already complicated” and listening to employees’ concerns would only “ . . .complicate an already complicated proceeding.”
While the NLRB hides shamelessly behind the complications of the case, it fails to take responsibility for creating this unprecedented contorted legal argument that produced the complications that it claims prevents employees from having a say about their futures. This Big Labor powerplay that tramples on the livelihoods of South Carolina workers provides yet another reason for the Senate to reject Obama’s currently stalled appointment of Solomon and for voters to reject Obama in 2012.
http://biggovernment.com/dloos/2011/...-complex-case/

Fair&Balanced 06-17-2011 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 740651)
How many people did Obama hire into his Administration from Goldman Sachs after the people gave them bailout money and golden parachutes?



Here is a short list:

http://my.firedoglake.com/fflambeau/...-on-big-banks/

The Obama SEC filed a civil action against Goldman Sachs in 2010 and the Obama DoJ is pursuing criminal charges.

What more can it do?

TheMercenary 06-17-2011 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 740669)
The Obama SEC filed a civil action against Goldman Sachs in 2010 and the Obama DoJ is pursuing criminal charges.

What more can it do?

And then hired the same scumbags that were involved? Oh, I guess there is nothing more they could have done than give them all jobs. :rolleyes:

Fair&Balanced 06-17-2011 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 740670)
And then hired the same scumbags that were involved? Oh, I guess there is nothing more they could have done than give them all jobs. :rolleyes:

So the SEC and DoJ investigations are not enough?

I get it.

TheMercenary 06-17-2011 05:36 PM

The DOJ has prove itself to be a failed and biased organization. The can't be trusted to carry out Obama's trash. Fact is Obama hired these scumbags into his administration after they got public money. I guess you think that it is ok to do that, I understand your love and devotion to the King.

Fair&Balanced 06-17-2011 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 740674)
The DOJ has prove itself to be a failed and biased organization. The can't be trusted to carry out Obama's trash. Fact is Obama hired these scumbags into his administration after they got public money. I guess you think that it is ok to do that, I understand your love and devotion to the King.

Oh. I forget that you think Holder is a racist.

TheMercenary 06-17-2011 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 740675)
Oh. I forget that you think Holder is a racist.

Holder is a racist.

The DOJ abandoned its own lawsuit against members of the radical New Black Panther Party who threatened and intimidated white voters on Election Day 2008. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence that white voters were intimidated. Even though a whistle-blower gave clear and convincing evidence in front of a Congressional hearing. Obama ignored it. Holder ignored it. But Obama could bring it upon himself to hold a "Beer Summit" when some idiot professor felt he was above the law. Yea, Holder is a GD racist.

Fair&Balanced 06-17-2011 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 740677)
Holder is a racist.

The DOJ abandoned its own lawsuit against members of the radical New Black Panther Party who threatened and intimidated white voters on Election Day 2008. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence that white voters were intimidated. Even though a whistle-blower gave clear and convincing evidence in front of a Congressional hearing. Obama ignored it. Holder ignored it. But Obama could bring it upon himself to hold a "Beer Summit" when some idiot professor felt he was above the law. Yea, Holder is a GD racist.

In fact, there was no evidence, other than one guy waiving a night stick, who was led away by police, Which, btw, was conveniently left out of the video that was the basis of the allegations raised by a Republican poll watcher.

There was not one voter who filed a charge of voter intimidation and yet Holder still filed a civil action against the guy that banned him from being at polling places for two years.

TheMercenary 06-17-2011 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 740682)
In fact, there was no evidence, other than one guy waiving a night stick, who was led away by police, Which, btw, was conveniently left out of the video that was the basis of the allegations raised by a Republican poll watcher.

There was not one voter who filed a charge of voter intimidation and yet Holder still filed a civil action against the guy that banned him from being at polling places for two years.

Bull shit. The video spoke for itself. SO the DOJ, until Holder and Obama came on scene just wasted all those months building a case? More Demoncratic propaganda. Now you and that racist Holder want to spin it. Laughable.

Fair&Balanced 06-18-2011 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 740689)
Bull shit. The video spoke for itself...

I know it is pointless to try to discuss this with someone who plays the "racist" card, but exactly what in this video meets the criteria of voter intimidation under the Voting Rights Act?



added:
The charges against the New Black Panthers were downgraded by the Bush Department of Justice:

The decision not to file a criminal case occurred before Obama was even in office.

This means that the case was downgraded to a civil case 11 days before Obama was inaugurated, 26 days before Eric Holder became attorney general, and about nine months before Thomas Perez was confirmed as head of the Civil Rights Division.
http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/...no-major-case/

Fair&Balanced 06-18-2011 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 740667)

In fact, the new testing standards in Dayton, OH are a result of the settlement of an employment discrimination case that was initiated by the Bush DoJ.
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The Department of Justice announced today that it has entered into a consent decree with the city of Dayton that, if approved by the court, will resolve the Department’s complaint that Dayton has been engaged in a pattern or practice of discrimination against African-Americans in its hiring of entry-level police officers and firefighters, in violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII)...

...The United States’ complaint, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Ohio in September 2008, alleges that Dayton’s use of an internally created written examination for screening entry-level police officer applicants, and its use of heightened minimum qualifications for entry-level firefighter applicants, i.e. requiring that applicants have EMT-Basic and Firefighter I and II certifications at the time they apply, resulted in disparate impact on African-Americans. The complaint also alleges that neither practice has been demonstrated by the city of Dayton to be job related and consistent with business necessity, in accordance with the requirements of Title VII.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2009/F...9-crt-172.html
Does this make Holder a racist as well?

TheMercenary 06-18-2011 07:23 PM

Holder is a God Damm Racist.

Fair&Balanced 06-19-2011 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 740839)
Holder is a God Damm Racist.

We certainly dont want the facts to cloud your judgement.

That would really make you look foolish. :eek:

Undertoad 06-19-2011 09:42 AM

It's almost never fair game to call racism.

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 740907)
It's almost never fair game to call racism.

Anytime the Chief DOJ favors one race over another he needs to be called out on it. The Demoncratic supporters are just sticking their head in the sand as they try to make excuses for his bad behavior. I will continue to draw attention to his racism.

Fair&Balanced 06-21-2011 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 741235)
Anytime the Chief DOJ favors one race over another he needs to be called out on it. The Demoncratic supporters are just sticking their head in the sand as they try to make excuses for his bad behavior. I will continue to draw attention to his racism.

When the current AG files the same civil injunction as was the final proposal of his predecessor as in the New Black Panther voter intimidation case, and

When the current AG is simply implementing and enforcing a settlement initiated by his predecessor and imposed by the courts and agreed to by the city, as in Dayton discrimination case...

One is left to wonder who is sticking his head in the sand.

DanaC 06-21-2011 04:48 PM

Yep, well, anybody with any sense can see...anti-white racism is clearly the big problem for the US.

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 741237)
When the current AG files the same civil injunction as was the final proposal of his predecessor as in the New Black Panther voter intimidation case, and

When the current AG is simply implementing and enforcing a settlement initiated by his predecessor and imposed by the courts and agreed to by the city, as in Dayton discrimination case...

One is left to wonder who is sticking his head in the sand.

Anyone who supports that fool Holder is sticking their head in the sand. Now you want to spin it as "simply doing what his predecessor did" is pure political spin. You can't spin the deliberate racism of the current DOJ.

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 741239)
Yep, well, anybody with any sense can see...anti-white racism is clearly the big problem for the US.

It should have nothing to do with color. That is the point.

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 04:55 PM

SO, first these people are hired to do the right thing and now they are lying under oath to a Congressional inquiry? I don't think so....

Quote:

To the contrary, two Justice Department lawyers have sworn under oath that Justice's Civil Rights Division exhibits a pervasive hostility against race-neutral enforcement of the law. They independently cited multiple examples of this hostility, an attitude supported by Obama appointees. Four more former department officials - two in sworn affidavits - confirmed the bias. The same thing was told to The Washington Post last autumn by three current Justice lawyers and corroborated by other officials to The Washington Times.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...obe-282218736/

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 04:59 PM

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Judicial Watch is exposing the emptiness of open-government promises by President Obama and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. These Democrats have stiffed the legal public-interest group’s Freedom of Information requests related to the Justice Department’s dismissal of a voter-intimidation case against members of the New Black Panther Party. Judicial Watch’s Dec. 7 filings reveal the false basis for the administration’s novel claims of “privilege” against disclosure.

Judicial Watch says Justice has withheld “approximately 80 documents in their entirety.” The department claims many are protected by the “deliberative process privilege.” That exemption from disclosure is intended to provide for what the administration calls “a more fulsome decision-making process” without fear of staffers being embarrassed by suggestions they made merely to examine all sides of an issue.

Courts long have established that this privilege applies only to memorandums that are “pre-decisional.” Once a decision has been made and enacted, the deliberative process has ended. Many of the unreleased documents were created after Justice ended the Black Panther case and thus clearly were not part of the deliberative process. Judicial Watch bolsters its common-sense argument by citing the Supreme Court precedent in NLRB v. Sears (1975): “Communications made after the decision and designed to explain it are not privileged.” Case closed.

The disputed documents remain important for understanding how the Black Panther case was bungled and also for examination of the more serious issue of whether Mr. Holder’s team as a matter of policy shows a “hostility to race-neutral enforcement” of the laws. On another level, what’s highly disturbing is what Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton calls the Obama administration’s “contemptuous attitude” toward the public’s legal rights to government transparency. Claiming pre-decisional privilege for actions taken after a case is over is contemptuous of the public’s right to know.

Mr. Obama and Mr. Holder repeatedly have promised what the president called “an unmatched level of transparency, participation and accountability across the entire administration.” Mr. Holder likewise advertised “a presumption of disclosure to all FOIA requests.” That Holder quote is from March 15. The next day, Associated Press ran a story that the liberal Huffington Post headlined “Obama’s broken promise: Federal agencies not more transparent under Obama administration.” By August, the left-leaning Sunlight Foundation headlined a report saying the White House “Abandons commitment to transparency.” On Dec. 8, Sunlight Executive Director Ellen S. Miller concluded, “Simply put, the president’s commitment to transparency is not yet living up to its full potential.”

On matters large and small - from the dismissal of inspectors general to the identities of Justice Department lawyers who represented suspected terrorist detainees and to the myriad issues stemming from the Black Panther investigation - this administration has turned Nixonian stonewalling into a political fortress of obfuscation. Federal District Judge Reggie B. Walton, who is overseeing the Judicial Watch case, shouldn’t allow it. The judge should personally examine the documents in question and release those for which the privilege claims are spurious.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...lack-panthers/

Fair&Balanced 06-21-2011 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 741239)
Yep, well, anybody with any sense can see...anti-white racism is clearly the big problem for the US.

Extremism relies on spreading ignorance and intolerance. That is what we have seen here with the baseless charge of racism given the misrepresentation of the two cases in question - the New Black Panther Party and Dayton. One can disagree with the DoJ actions, but to characterize it as racism is extreme.

The questions remains whether it is out of ignorance or intolerance.

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 741253)
One can disagree with the DoJ actions, but to characterize it as racism is extreme.

Blatant abuse of power to promote and support the actions of one race over others. Pretty clear to me.

DanaC 06-21-2011 05:16 PM

Was it to promote and support the actions of one race over another, or was it to promote and support the actions of one group over another?

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 741262)
Was it to promote and support the actions of one race over another, or was it to promote and support the actions of one group over another?

In the case of the Dayton officers it was to promote and support the actions of one group over another, based purely on race, not merit.

In the case of the New Black Panthers it was a violation of laws which prevent voter intimidation, in this case white people trying to vote at a generally black dominated area, and not different than the KKK keeping blacks away from voting booths in the South during segregation.

Fair&Balanced 06-21-2011 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 741264)
In the case of the Dayton officers it was to promote and support the actions of one group over another, based purely on race, not merit.

In the case of the New Black Panthers it was a violation of laws which prevent voter intimidation, in this case white people trying to vote at a generally black dominated area, and not different than the KKK keeping blacks away from voting booths in the South during segregation.

In the case of Dayton, it was enforcing a court-ordered settlement. One can disagree with the law and claim that law is racist but an AG who simply enforces the law is just doing what the court and the law required.

In the case of the NBP voter intimidation, the evidence did meet the standards of the law, given that no voters claimed they were intimidated, thus a lesser civil injunction was applied. Again, acting by the requirements of the law.

added:

Given that Bush's AG Mukasey initiated the employment discrimination case against Dayton and who agreed with the career attorneys over the objection of the Republican appointees in the DoJ in not having the evidence to meet the requirements of the Voting Rights Act for a criminal prosecution in the NBP case, wouldnt that make him the racist?

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 741265)
In the case of Dayton, it was enforcing a court-ordered settlement. One can disagree with the law and claim that law is racist but an AG who simply enforces the law is just doing what the court and the law required.

Racism never the less. It was done because of race and standards were lowered. It ignored merit. That is racism.

Quote:

In the case of the NBP voter intimidation, the evidence did meet the standards of the law, given that no voters claimed they were intimidated, thus a lesser civil injunction was applied. Again, acting by the requirements of the law.
Holder and the DOJ illegally withheld documents pertinent to the case. The case was dropped because of the new prevailing attitude that cases not involving "minority" cases were not going to be followed, racism.

Do they pay you to be a shill for the Obama Administration?

DanaC 06-21-2011 05:36 PM

Do you have any proof of this new prevailing attitude?

because it really sounds like you're the one being racist right now.

Fair&Balanced 06-21-2011 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 741267)
Racism never the less. It was done because of race and standards were lowered. It ignored merit. That is racism.

That is the law. Some might suggest it is racist, I would disagree.

But under your standards, why is Bush's AG Mukasey not the racist, given that he was the one who initiated the employment discrimination case against Dayton, not Holder, and he, not Holder, was the one who agreed to the settlement that lowered the testing standards?

Holder was enforcing the court order as required by the law.

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 05:41 PM

Looks pretty bad for ole Holder and the DOJ since Obama took office...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...prss=rss_print

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 741268)
Do you have any proof of this new prevailing attitude?

because it really sounds like you're the one being racist right now.

What prevailing attitude. Cases should be taken on merit, not race. Just because a person is white does not mean they can not experience racism. Just because a person is some other color than white does not mean standards should be lowered to ensure that people with less merit are promoted above those who previously met the standards for promotion.

Fair&Balanced 06-21-2011 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 741272)
What prevailing attitude. Cases should be taken on merit, not race. Just because a person is white does not mean they can not experience racism. Just because a person is some other color than white does not mean standards should be lowered to ensure that people with less merit are promoted above those who previously met the standards for promotion.

So blame Bush and Mukasey for their actions.

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 741270)
That is the law. Some might suggest it is racist, I would disagree.

Of course you do, it is your job.


Quote:

But under your standards, why is Bush's AG Mukasey not the racist, given that he was the one who initiated the employment discrimination case against Dayton, not Holder, and he, not Holder, was the one who agreed to the settlement that lowered the testing standards?

Holder was enforcing the court order as required by the law.
I never said Mukasey was not. I said Holder was, and there is ample evidence that Holder and the Obama Administration pushed the issue to drop any cases that were not dealing with minorities only. That is a huge difference.

Hell, Holder should be brought up on charges if they find out he knew about the ATF gun sales that lead directly to the death of an agent on the border.

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 741273)
So blame Bush and Mukasey for their actions.

Are they still in those jobs?

Fair&Balanced 06-21-2011 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 741274)
Of course you do, it is your job.


I never said Mukasey was not. I said Holder was, and there is ample evidence that Holder and the Obama Administration pushed the issue to drop any cases that were not dealing with minorities only. That is a huge difference.

Hell, Holder should be brought up on charges if they find out he knew about the ATF gun sales that lead directly to the death of an agent on the border.

Your prejudice is blatant and non-productive as is repeating baseless charges.

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 05:51 PM

Hardly baseless charges. They are quite public.

Quote:

A new supervisor, Julie Fernandes, arrived to oversee the voting section, and Coates testified that she told lawyers at a September 2009 lunch that the Obama administration was interested in filing cases - under a key voting rights section - only on behalf of minorities.

"Everyone in the room understood exactly what she meant," Coates said. "No more cases like the Ike Brown or New Black Panther Party cases."

Fernandes, through a department spokeswoman, declined to comment.

A few months later, Coates requested a transfer to the U.S. attorney's office in South Carolina. When colleagues scheduled a farewell lunch, one lawyer who attended said Coates vented his frustrations, criticizing the department for failing to enforce the law "on a nonracial basis.''

DanaC 06-21-2011 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 741267)
Holder and the DOJ illegally withheld documents pertinent to the case. The case was dropped because of the new prevailing attitude that cases not involving "minority" cases were not going to be followed, racism.


Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 741268)
Do you have any proof of this new prevailing attitude?
because it really sounds like you're the one being racist right now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 741272)
What prevailing attitude. Cases should be taken on merit, not race. Just because a person is white does not mean they can not experience racism. Just because a person is some other color than white does not mean standards should be lowered to ensure that people with less merit are promoted above those who previously met the standards for promotion.


You tell me what prevailing attitude. You're the one who suggested it.

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 741276)
Your prejudice is blatant and non-productive as is repeating baseless charges.

It is not prejudice to ask for equal protection and treatment under the law. Not what we are currently getting from Obama, Holder, and the DOJ.

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 741279)
You tell me what prevailing attitude. You're the one who suggested it.

Read the link and get back to me.

DanaC 06-21-2011 05:55 PM

Which link? I asked a simple question about what you classified as a 'prevailing attitude' and then you seemed to back off it.

Fair&Balanced 06-21-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 741278)
Hardly baseless charges. They are quite public.

I think it was Abigail Thernstrom, the very conservative Republican vice chairman of the Civil Rights Commission who said (paraphrasing) hearsay and unsubstantiated allegations from former Republican appointees to the DoJ are hardly evidence of some vast conspiracy within the DoJ.

Yet, those who are predisposed to believe, will believe and take it as fact.

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 741284)
I think it was Abigail Thernstrom, the very conservative Republican vice chairman of the Civil Rights Commission who said (paraphrasing) hearsay and unsubstantiated allegations from former Republican appointees to the DoJ are hardly evidence of some vast conspiracy within the DoJ.

Major fail on your part Shillster....

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The complaint went to Christopher Coates, the section's chief. A respected voting expert, Coates had been hired at Justice during the Clinton administration after a stint with the American Civil Liberties Union. His name appeared in an internal watchdog report criticizing politicized hiring at the division during the Bush administration. The report referred to him as "a true member of the team."

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 741283)
Which link? I asked a simple question about what you classified as a 'prevailing attitude' and then you seemed to back off it.

I am not backing off of it. This is one, you will have to go back through the threads to look up the others.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...prss=rss_print

TheMercenary 06-21-2011 06:05 PM

You all enjoy! Off to cook some steak on the barbie! :D


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