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Spexxvet 09-09-2011 10:10 AM

I'm feeling kind of anxious
 
Leading up to the 10th anniversary, there is a great increase in the media coverage of 911. I didn't think it would affect me, but I have to admit that I'm feeling some anxiety. Now there's a credible threat for the weekend.

Nirvana 09-09-2011 10:15 AM

We like to over do things in this country. While this may not be a popular opinion I can't wait until this is over. I think we should remember the past not dwell on it.

:bolt:

Griff 09-09-2011 10:15 AM

You couldn't pay me to go to NY or Washington this weekend. Any attack that slips through is likely to be bush league but they know they'll get the full media spotlight.

Griff 09-09-2011 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana (Post 755408)
We like to over do things in this country. While this may not be a popular opinion I can't wait until this is over. I think we should remember the past not dwell on it.

:bolt:

I haven't consolidated my feelings about the commemoration. I got too caught up in arguing against the pro-war hysterics to put the attack in the proper perspective.

infinite monkey 09-09-2011 10:23 AM

If you had to go to the (distant) family reunion I have to go to, you'd welcome some sort of attack.

:bolt:

Just terrible.

Really, I think it should be a day to celebrate being alive and free...with close family and friends. Watching football. Drinking beer. Whatever makes you happy (besides implementing terrorist attacks or shooting things...if that's your thrill.) My brother will be in freaking CO getting a prestigious award for his industry. I know we should move on and move past but for pete's sake it's the 10 anniversary of something that had tremendous impact on all our lives.

I'd rather my brother weren't flying around the country. I'd rather he be home with his family. You know. Just in case. There aren't always second chances. :mad:

glatt 09-09-2011 10:47 AM

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Another attack is just what we need. {sarcasm}

Earthquake, hurricane, record rainfall and flash flooding. Oh, and hey, did you guys hear about the crane that was trying to remove earthquake debris from the national cathedral, in time for the 9/11 memorial services on Sunday? And since they were in such a rush, they were doing crane work during one of these thunderstorms this week. And the huge crane flipped over, smashing into some of the other buildings on the cathedral grounds.

BigV 09-09-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 755409)
You couldn't pay me to go to NY or Washington this weekend. Any attack that slips through is likely to be bush league but they know they'll get the full media spotlight.

Only if you watch.

That's why they call it "paying attention". You can just simply decline to pay. Literally don't buy it.

All those trees that blew down in the completely uninhabited forest... how much sleep did you lose over that?

footfootfoot 09-09-2011 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 755409)
You couldn't pay me to go to NY or Washington this weekend. Any attack that slips through is likely to be bush league but they know they'll get the full media spotlight.

I saw what you did thare. :eyebrow:

infinite monkey 09-09-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 755418)
Another attack is just what we need. {sarcasm}

Earthquake, hurricane, record rainfall and flash flooding. Oh, and hey, did you guys hear about the crane that was trying to remove earthquake debris from the national cathedral, in time for the 9/11 memorial services on Sunday? And since they were in such a rush, they were doing crane work during one of these thunderstorms this week. And the huge crane flipped over, smashing into some of the other buildings on the cathedral grounds.

Yeah, but there's not much you can do about any of that, seeing how God is just really mad at all y'all. No amount of TSA groping will keep you sinners from the wrath of God.

;)

BigV 09-09-2011 11:31 AM

wow glatt..

They dropped that crane into the narrow lane of the empty parking lot and nicked the building at the end/top?

I'm glad it wasn't worse and it could have been a LOT worse. We had a crane accident here a couple years ago and the crane collapsed into the building and killed a resident in the building, sitting in his living room. Not to mention the damage to the main structure. you posted a really impressive picture IotD material... yikes.

infinite monkey 09-09-2011 11:32 AM

Oh, and the Cathedral was built on ancient Indian Burial grounds, too.

DanaC 09-09-2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 755412)
I haven't consolidated my feelings about the commemoration. I got too caught up in arguing against the pro-war hysterics to put the attack in the proper perspective.

That's a little how I feel about it.

glatt 09-09-2011 11:50 AM

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I keep looking around for a proper place to talk about the flooding and rain, but that topic seems to be spread out over half a dozen threads, so I'll post this here.

Hershey Park is flooded and closed this weekend. I was on this Super Dooper Looper just 2-3 weeks ago.

And I didn't go into this zoo part of Hershey Park, but these two bison ended up being shot before they could drown. The Park couldn't get to them in time to save them, so they shot them.

infinite monkey 09-09-2011 12:00 PM

Those buffalo were fornicators!

BigV 09-09-2011 12:09 PM

uh, grammar nazi alert.

them buffalo were fucked, not fuckers.

sad to say.

Pico and ME 09-09-2011 12:43 PM

I'm wondering if shooting was really the humane thing to do. Might there not have been some unforeseen chance for them to survive the flood? Im mean, bison can swim. Of course, I don't know the details, but shooting just seems so final.

footfootfoot 09-09-2011 01:06 PM

Actually, eating them is final.

infinite monkey 09-09-2011 01:09 PM

Death is final.

Almost always.

footfootfoot 09-09-2011 01:24 PM

No, eating dead things is final. We discussed that.

infinite monkey 09-09-2011 01:25 PM

Death is my bread and danger is my butter...wait, that's not right. Danger is my bread...that's not it either. Death and Danger are my various breads and various butters.
[/paraphrasewhat'suptigerlily]

glatt 09-09-2011 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 755456)
I'm wondering if shooting was really the humane thing to do. Might there not have been some unforeseen chance for them to survive the flood? Im mean, bison can swim. Of course, I don't know the details, but shooting just seems so final.

I imagine the zoo keepers did not expect to be shooting the animals they have been taking care of. But when I did go there a couple years ago, the zoo was a dump. Hershey Park is great, but they should close the zoo, it's not up to par IMHO.

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HERSHEY, Pa. (WHTM) -

Officials with Hersheypark and ZooAmerica have confirmed the deaths of two bison caused by Wednesday's flooding.

Mindy Bianca, a spokeswoman for Hershey Entertainment and Resorts, said the bison were euthanized when zoo staff were unable to save them from the high water. She said the staff worked very hard and did the best they could under the conditions.

Bianca added that ZooAmerica staff spent the night at the park in order to care for animals that had been rescued.

Neighbors, meanwhile, were saddened and angered by what had happened after many of them said they watched the animals die in the flood waters.

"It looked like the animals were panicking," said one woman who watched the rescue efforts. "The two bison that were in the enclosure, their heads were barely above water and they were panicking."

Bancroft said the workers tried very hard to save the animals.

"The water, of course, kept getting higher and higher and they were just trying to keep their head above water, and at one point they had a rope and they were just trying to hook that around the horn of the bison," she said.

Neighbors insist there were many more deaths than just those of the two bison.

"The coyotes, a lot of them did not make it," said one witness. "A lot of them were standing on the hill. You could hear them crying from our house."

Bianca said the zoo does not have coyotes.

Some people said the park should have planned ahead for the heavy rains.

"I think Hershey should be called on the carpet for this, Jack Bancroft said. "There's no reason that animals should die. I guess it's just a write-off for Hershey."
at-least-2-zooamerica-animals-die-in-hershey-flooding

infinite monkey 09-09-2011 01:55 PM

Coyote deniers.

Griff 09-09-2011 01:58 PM

NYT

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has come under attack by some religious and political leaders for not including clergy members as speakers at Sunday’s official ceremony at ground zero on the 10th anniversary of the attacks.

It is wrong to say the ceremony excludes prayer or clergy members, Mr. Loeser said. Chaplains for the Fire and Police Departments and the Port Authority police often attend, and “we think most people use those moments of silence for reflection and prayer,” he said.

Kudos to Mayor Bloomberg (R) for not letting religious nuts control the commemoration of the attack by religious nuts. Say Michael, do you have time to run for President?

classicman 09-09-2011 04:08 PM

off topic, but glatt's post reminded me of this. The first responders were not invited to the ceremony.
According to Bloomberg, it is focused on the victim's families. really? so because these people didn't die,
they don't get an invite?
{END RANT}

glatt 09-09-2011 05:01 PM

Maybe there wasn't room? There were 2000+ victims. If you figure only 1 family member for each victim, you're already at 2000+ people. Then you figure the VIPs are gonna go. That's like 600-700 people if Congress and key administration people go. So, maybe 3000 potential people? And add the first responders to that and you are up to what, 3500?

The cathedral seats 900 max. Unless you are talking about another ceremony.

HungLikeJesus 09-09-2011 05:54 PM

I agree with classicman - they should only invite the people who died.

classicman 09-09-2011 07:19 PM

They had gone in the past. Did they change the location or something?

Spexxvet 09-10-2011 07:54 AM

Could it be expense? The current climate could get Bloomberg raked over the coals if this thing turns out to be exceptionally expensive.

glatt 09-27-2011 12:57 PM

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I don't know where to post this, so it goes here. We were discussing the earthquake a bit in this thread, so it seems appropriate.

Engineers are inspecting the Washington Monument today. I need to go outside and see if I can see anything. They are going to rappel down it inspecting each joint and stone for earthquake damage. I had no idea there was a trap door at the top. It's 555 feet tall, and this dude, while tied off inside, is just holding on to the corner.

glatt 09-27-2011 01:49 PM

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So I borrowed that picture above from the web, but this one is my own. I wish I had brought my good camera to work today. In this cell phone shot you can see the little fly speck at the top. That's this dude.

Clodfobble 09-27-2011 01:49 PM

How do you get that job, I wonder? Are you a stonemason who happens to enjoy rappelling? Or a ropes instructor who picked up a little home inspection skills on the side?

glatt 09-27-2011 01:54 PM

And why does he have to wear a hard hat? It's the people on the ground who should be wearing the hard hats. Is it to protect him if a bird poops on his head?

infinite monkey 09-27-2011 02:26 PM

It's really cool. I'd love to see how they get up to that trap door.

glatt 09-27-2011 02:56 PM

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Article
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Now, a "difficult access team" from engineering firm Wiss, Janney, Elstner Associates is looking for additional cracks and chips on the exterior of the structure, and rappelling will afford them the best up-close look.

On Tuesday morning, team member Dave Megerle emerged from a hatch near the top of the structure and spent about three hours setting up ropes and other equipment. After a break, he came back out for more preparations.

Officials said it was the first time the hatch on the monument has been opened in 11 years.

Part of Megerle's time atop the monument was spent constructing a barrier around its lightning rod system, said National Park Service spokeswoman Carol Johnson. The system of gold-plated copper tubes begins at the top of the monument and stretches down the edges of the pyramidion, the uppermost portion of the structure.

The rappelling team was dealing with other logistical issues in the afternoon and was closely monitoring forecasts that indicated a chance of thunderstorms that could force them to wait until Wednesday.

Team member Erik Sohn told The Associated Press Monday that the job was a dream assignment among the relatively small field of architectural engineers certified to hoist themselves up and down the sides of buildings.

"This is definitely a job that everyone would like to get. We have a relatively small group that's certified to our level," said the 33-year-old from Chantilly, Va. "It's such an iconic structure. Everyone wants to be on a monument like this."

The team is being advised by Brandon Latham, a ranger at Denali National Park in Alaska with extensive rappelling experience. He said Monday that working on the monument would be similar to rappelling down the face of a cliff.

While the monument remains structurally sound, the earthquake caused numerous cracks and chips to form in the marble exterior and the granite interior support structure. The longest crack is 4 feet long and about an inch wide, and park service officials said daylight can be seen through some of the cracks.

The exterior inspection is expected to last about 5 days. Afterward, WJE will begin an emergency weatherization of the monument — essentially filling the holes with caulk or similar substances.

Park service officials hope to establish a timetable for repairing and reopening the monument by mid-October.

classicman 09-27-2011 04:01 PM

Wondering if congress will fight over the cost of this as well. sigh

ZenGum 09-27-2011 09:21 PM

Glatt, if you were holding that camera level, the monument has bigger problems than a few cracks!

HungLikeJesus 09-27-2011 09:27 PM

I think they should knock it down and put up a Starbucks.

TheMercenary 09-30-2011 08:30 PM

Good Morning America had a segment on that today, one of the people going to the top is a young female stonemason/engineer. She seemed quite knowledgeable. Just glad ole stiffy Bill Clinton is getting repaired....

monster 10-02-2011 06:09 PM

I looks like it's covered in fake stone wallpaper

infinite monkey 10-02-2011 06:19 PM

Oh you're right, it does look like fake stone wallpaper!

I know because I have fake stone wallpaper on a small wall. Hey, it was here when I moved in, and I'm the world's best procrastinator.


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