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Griff 09-25-2011 04:35 PM

Good On Them
 
My sister's neighborhood didn't handle the flooding. She is waiting on her insurance carrier, but it looks like a knock down. In the midst of the property disaster, a bunch of shale gas water trucks showed up and pumped the water out of all the basements in the neighborhood. I don't know which company sent them but thank you from the folks in Twin Orchards.

glatt 09-25-2011 06:02 PM

And the good PR can't hurt either.

zippyt 09-25-2011 06:28 PM

Yeah No doubt

Griff 09-25-2011 07:41 PM

They definitely got a PR boost, nobody else had the truck capacity to get it done so they're getting big love for stepping up.

Clodfobble 09-25-2011 09:53 PM

Wow, good for them!

So sorry to hear about your sister's place. Did they have time to get the important papers and whatnot out before the water came too high?

Spexxvet 09-26-2011 09:10 AM

Wow! I'm impressed. You rarely see a business do something that doesn't involve putting money in their own pockets. Well done by them.

Griff 09-26-2011 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 758439)
Wow, good for them!

So sorry to hear about your sister's place. Did they have time to get the important papers and whatnot out before the water came too high?

Yeah, just. The harder part was getting the old man a couple doors down to leave his house. I was talking to one of their neighbors who is a fireman. He got a little stress relief a couple days into it when a local shady businessman tried to torch a building he's been trying to sell for a couple years. The first responder happened to be a fire investigator and saw a trail of flames up the steps. The neighbor got to tear into the building with some big-ass hydraulic apparatus which kinda made his day.

glatt 09-27-2011 08:49 AM

I missed the part about your sister's place being so damaged. I'm sorry to hear about that.

Gravdigr 09-27-2011 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 758676)
...shady businessman...

Handy on a hot day though.

infinite monkey 09-27-2011 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 758855)
Handy on a hot day though.

:lol2:

Griff 09-27-2011 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 758770)
I missed the part about your sister's place being so damaged. I'm sorry to hear about that.

I don't think I mentioned it before. The insurance situation still isn't resolved though so we still don't know what is going to happen. Their neighbors let their insurance lapse so they went in and tore the place apart as early as they could. The insurance company told my sister not to go in so the house is much worse than the neighbors beyond the foundation problem. BiL said the black mold was already 2.5 to 3 ft above the waterline, nasty stuff. People are going to get very sick cleaning these houses.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 758855)
Handy on a hot day though.

*chortle*

glatt 09-27-2011 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 758970)
The insurance company told my sister not to go in

Stupid insurance company.

classicman 09-27-2011 10:06 PM

Yes and no glatt.
Some people go in and tear the place up to get MORE money, others remove valuables and are compensated unjustly for things that were not ruined. Still more are hurt going into homes that are unsafe costing MORE money.
The above are not mutually exclusive.

Lamplighter 10-26-2011 08:51 PM

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Not at all related to the OP, but I liked the thread's title.

Today, another dam was purposely breached to improve the habitat of salmon in the Pacific Northwest.
The White Salmon River empties into the Columbia just upstream of PDX.
The Conuit Dam stands about 12 stories high, and will be removed over the next 9-10 months

KATU.com
October 26,2011
Crews breach Condit Dam
Quote:

A muddy stew of black silt and water roared through a hole that was
breached Wednesday in a nearly century-old dam in Washington's south Cascades,
marking another step in ongoing efforts to restore habitat for threatened
and endangered fish in the Pacific Northwest.

Removal of the dam opens up at least 33 miles of habitat for steelhead.
Habitat for tule fall chinook will double.
In recent weeks, work crews created a tunnel 18 feet wide and 13 feet tall
in the base of the dam to allow water and sediment to pass through
from the reservoir behind the dam once it is breached.
Over the years, a five-story wedge of silt has collected in 92-acre Northwestern Lake,
a popular recreation spot for boaters and the dozens of cabin leaseholders on the water's edge.
This pic was taken just after the dam was breached and water was surging downriver.

Good on them...

SamIam 10-26-2011 09:32 PM

Now, THAT's the kind of stuff I like to see. Swim, little fishies, swim! And damn all dams.

HungLikeJesus 10-26-2011 09:42 PM

So does this mean that Northwestern Lake will disappear also?

Lamplighter 10-26-2011 09:45 PM

Yes, I think pretty much so.
Some of the home owners in the area are somewhat pissed.

But this actually was the decision of a power corporation.
If they did not demolish the dam, they would have to spend a lot more $ building adequate fish passages.

BigV 10-26-2011 09:50 PM

Yep!!

As for seeing it, I recommend this link:

http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories...ls-from-condit

HungLikeJesus 10-26-2011 09:53 PM

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The removal is expected to open up stretches of the upper White Salmon closed off for nearly a century to endangered salmon, steelhead and lamprey. Officials estimate close to 3,000 salmon returning as the river grows healthy and more than 500 steelhead.

"It's such a huge deal for these fish to be able to return to their spawning grounds," says U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biologist Lou Ellyn Jones. "I can't even hardly say how important it is."
But if it's been closed for 100 years, will the fish still consider it to be their spawning grounds? Or will they just be confused?

Lamplighter 10-26-2011 09:54 PM

Before the breach, ~ 700 salmon were carried up above the dam to start breeding the next generations.

glatt 10-27-2011 09:04 AM

Dams are a trade off. Sure, they hurt the salmon, but they help prevent flooding, they hold water to fight back drought, and they generate carbon free electricity.

You shut down a power producing damn, and you just increased air pollution and global warming because you have to burn oil or coal to replace that power.

HungLikeJesus 10-27-2011 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 767051)
Dams are a trade off. Sure, they hurt the salmon, but they help prevent flooding, they hold water to fight back drought, and they generate carbon free electricity.

You shut down a power producing damn, and you just increased air pollution and global warming because you have to burn oil or coal to replace that power.

It's not quite that simple. See, for example, Hydroelectric Power's Dirty Secret:

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Hydroelectric dams produce significant amounts of carbon dioxide and methane, and in some cases produce more of these greenhouse gases than power plants running on fossil fuels. Carbon emissions vary from dam to dam, says Philip Fearnside from Brazil's National Institute for Research in the Amazon in Manaus. "But we do know that there are enough emissions to worry about."
In a study to be published in Mitigation and Adaptation Strategies for Global Change, Fearnside estimates that in 1990 the greenhouse effect of emissions from the Curuá-Una dam in Pará, Brazil, was more than three-and-a-half times what would have been produced by generating the same amount of electricity from oil.
This is because large amounts of carbon tied up in trees and other plants are released when the reservoir is initially flooded and the plants rot. Then after this first pulse of decay, plant matter settling on the reservoir's bottom decomposes without oxygen, resulting in a build-up of dissolved methane. This is released into the atmosphere when water passes through the dam's turbines.
I think they need to find a way to capture the methane and burn it in a gas turbine.

glatt 10-27-2011 11:04 AM

OK, rotting plants release methane and CO2, but there are going to be more plants in the rainforests of Brazil than in the American West. I'll even grant you that manufacturing all that concrete is terrible for the environment.

All that carbon is associated with building the dam, not running the dam. It's an argument for not building new dams. It doesn't support the idea of tearing down existing ones. The pollution has already happened with this dam. Why not get some more energy out of it?

Lamplighter 10-27-2011 11:29 AM

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I think UT's proposal to burn off excess gas would be workable
with a low-head dam situated about here on the Potomac River:
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HungLikeJesus 10-27-2011 11:32 AM

The point was that the methane is released from rotting plant matter. From the same article:

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Seasonal changes in water depth mean there is a continuous supply of decaying material. In the dry season plants colonise the banks of the reservoir only to be engulfed when the water level rises. For shallow-shelving reservoirs these "drawdown" regions can account for several thousand square kilometres.

In effect man-made reservoirs convert carbon dioxide in the atmosphere into methane. This is significant because methane's effect on global warming is 21 times stronger than carbon dioxide's.

glatt 10-27-2011 11:49 AM

Ah. Seasonal changes. Got it. CO2 being converted to Methane. That would be bad.

classicman 10-27-2011 02:31 PM

is bad ... IS. :p:

Lamplighter 10-28-2011 09:50 AM

I like the title of this thread... it gives a chance for other kinds of news.

CNN
Girls given equal rights to British throne under law changes
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 8:44 AM EST, Fri October 28, 2011

Quote:

London (CNN) -- Sons and daughters of British monarchs will have
an equal right to the throne under changes to the United Kingdom's succession laws
agreed to Friday, British Prime Minister David Cameron said.

The constitutional changes would mean a first-born girl
has precedence over a younger brother.
They also mean that a future British monarch would be allowed to marry a Catholic.
.

HungLikeJesus 10-28-2011 09:52 AM

A Catholic? That's good?

Lamplighter 10-28-2011 09:57 AM

HLJ, there's more discussion in the link.
That part may soothe some problems in Ireland

HungLikeJesus 10-28-2011 11:13 AM

I was joking. I don't know a catholic from a protestant.

ZenGum 10-28-2011 06:35 PM

The Catholic is the one driving the minivan.

Lamplighter 11-07-2011 06:48 PM

A couple of weeks ago, I posted breaching of the Conuit Dam in Washington.

Today, I came across a National Geographic 2 min video of the event here
This video shows the breaching, the draining lake, and the final effect.

(Unfortunately, there is a 15 sec ad in front of the video)

Lamplighter 12-06-2011 08:38 PM

Is it interesting or disappointing ?

Today is Dec 7th, and I have not seen any posts about the anniversary.

Throughout my life I have followed in the footsteps of WW II vets.
Some call them "The Greatest Generation". All I know is that many
things we value here in the US came from the works of that generation.

In any case, Good on Them !

BigV 12-06-2011 08:52 PM

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Is it interesting or disappointing ?

Today is Dec 7th
, and I have not seen any posts about the anniversary.

Throughout my life I have followed in the footsteps of WW II vets.
Some call them "The Greatest Generation". All I know is that many
things we value here in the US came from the works of that generation.

In any case, Good on Them !
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Time flies, eh?

ZenGum 12-06-2011 10:51 PM

Well it is here ;)

Lamplighter 12-07-2011 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 778289)
Time flies, eh?

Again, give or take a day... ;)
.

infinite monkey 12-07-2011 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 778281)
Is it interesting or disappointing ?

Today is Dec 7th, and I have not seen any posts about the anniversary.

Throughout my life I have followed in the footsteps of WW II vets.
Some call them "The Greatest Generation". All I know is that many
things we value here in the US came from the works of that generation.

In any case, Good on Them !

Well that's weird. On the actual December 7th there are articles and remembrances all over the web! ;)

What do you say? Happy Pearl Harbor Day? I do think about it every Dec 7th, though.

infinite monkey 12-07-2011 06:31 PM

You know, this day really just kind of snuck up on us. We had no idea it was coming.

Too soon?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 778281)
Is it interesting or disappointing ?

Today is Dec 7th, and I have not seen any posts about the anniversary.

Throughout my life I have followed in the footsteps of WW II vets.
Some call them "The Greatest Generation". All I know is that many
things we value here in the US came from the works of that generation.

In any case, Good on Them !


Lamplighter 12-07-2011 07:45 PM

Yes, others have been kind enough to point out the error of my ways :right:

BigV 12-07-2011 11:24 PM

No, she's not mocking you LL. She's saying is it too soon to make a joke about Pearl Harbor and the date "just sneaking up on us". Not you.

Lamplighter 12-08-2011 01:56 AM

V, I'd be disappointed if she was not,
... my senior moments have been getting closer together ;)

infinite monkey 12-08-2011 09:15 AM

No, it took me all day to come up with the joke. V is right, it was a joke about the sneaking up on us.

I have junior senior moments, Lamp, I'm right behind you in that aspect. ;)

Spexxvet 12-10-2011 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 778743)
No, it took me all day to come up with the joke. V is right, it was a joke about the sneaking up on us.

I have junior senior moments, Lamp, I'm right behind you in that aspect. ;)

I have middle age senior hours. I'm right behind.... something... what did I come in here for?

ZenGum 12-10-2011 06:27 PM

Wait ... you're not my son! Who are you?


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