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DanaC 10-12-2011 03:25 AM

Citizenship test
 
Changes to the Life in the UK citizenship test were revealed yesterday. The test applies to anyone seeking a British passport, or indefinate leave to remain.

The Guardian has a sample of the test.

here's my score:

Quote:

You scored 13 out of a possible 24

You have failed, the pass mark was 75% According to the Life in the UK Test, you have insufficient knowledge of the English language or of life in the UK to remain

Ohmigodz! I'm a fuckin' furriner! Who knew?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/qu...ship-test-quiz

Aliantha 10-12-2011 03:59 AM

I got 12, but I know I'm a foreigner. :)

John Sellers 10-12-2011 04:01 AM

Congrats! Yer American now! :D

http://rlv.zcache.com/welcome_to_the...21yyck_400.jpg

limey 10-12-2011 04:26 AM

I failed as well, Dana. See you in Oz!

John Sellers 10-12-2011 04:34 AM

Even tho I'm American, I thought I 'd try it. Surprisingly, I got 9 of 'em right.

ZenGum 10-12-2011 06:19 AM

Thoughts as I take the test:
Question 5 is terribly written - they're all true.
13 is ambiguous abut "information" - identifiable or not?
20 appears ignorant of the Doomsday book!
23 shows a distinct lack of imagination.

I scored 15 out of 24. I'm not a pommie, then, but I'm the pommiest one here yet!

glatt 10-12-2011 08:11 AM

I got a 9 out of 24. I only knew one answer, so 8 out of 24 was just random chance.

Sundae 10-12-2011 09:00 AM

12 out of 24.
Never mind.
I see most of those questions as completely irrelevant.
They should have proper questions.

All your shopping has been swiped through.
What happens next:
- You start fumbling for your purse/ wallet as if surprised at having to pay
- You hand over cash/ card immediately, you had it ready in your hand
- You carry on packing your shopping, even though you know you will have to wait for your payment to be processed afterwards

You are at a bus stop. You have been waiting 30 minutes for a bus that should run every 12 minutes.
Do you:
- Complain to the person next to you that this route is dreadful
- Walk off and get a taxi
- Look to see who you can push past when the bus finally arrives

Who is Eamonn Holmes?
- A roly-poly presenter on daytime TV
- A smug git
- All of the above

classicman 10-12-2011 10:39 AM

I got six. You are all safe from me.

dmg1969 10-12-2011 11:47 AM

11 of 24 correct for this American. Not bad, I guess.

Spexxvet 10-12-2011 12:42 PM

UK -
Questions answered correctly: 6 out of 24 (25%)

Time taken: 05 minutes 30 seconds

infinite monkey 10-12-2011 12:59 PM

Six. Six well thought out guesses. Or random guesses.

Spexxvet 10-12-2011 01:01 PM

I knew the religion question, the rest were guesses. Quando, was it? WTH?

infinite monkey 10-12-2011 01:04 PM

Quando: bird poo?

I don't know. I think I got that one right.

Why are the results of the census kept hidden for 100 years, anyway? So Dan Brown has something to write about? Seems weird, that a census would be secret.

Spexxvet 10-12-2011 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 763063)
Quando: bird poo?

I don't know. I think I got that one right.

Why are the results of the census kept hidden for 100 years, anyway? So Dan Brown has something to write about? Seems weird, that a census would be secret.

Shhh don't tell anyone!

infinite monkey 10-12-2011 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 763064)
Shhh don't tell anyone!

Be quiet, man. They'll know you're here! :tinfoil:

(Note how the foil is in the shape of a bowler hat? Coincidence? I think not!)

GunMaster357 10-12-2011 01:50 PM

9 out of 24. :(

Well, I don't intend to invade England. Even Napoleon Bonaparte couldn't do it.

Rhianne 10-12-2011 01:54 PM

You scored 16 out of a possible 24

BigV 10-12-2011 02:29 PM

You scored 11 out of a possible 24


very close to random chance

glatt 10-12-2011 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV (Post 763123)
You scored 11 out of a possible 24


very close to random chance

I was wondering what random chance would be, but didn't care enough to do the math. Those T/F questions are 50/50 but the other ones are 1 in 4.

BigV 10-12-2011 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 763144)
I was wondering what random chance would be, but didn't care enough to do the math. Those T/F questions are 50/50 but the other ones are 1 in 4.

8 t/f
16 1/4

reducing
.5
plus
.25
plus
.25
equals
1
divided by
3
equals

1/3 or 8 out of 24. So, 11 out of 24 is a little better than chance, but still close.

infinite monkey 10-12-2011 03:10 PM

Gambler's fallacy. One answer's accuracy has no bearing on another answer's accuracy. ;)

BigV 10-12-2011 03:15 PM

You're right, of course. That's why I calculated the likelihood of each question being answered correctly with a random choice independently.

infinite monkey 10-12-2011 03:16 PM

So, why is the census a secret for 100 years? That's wacky!

Happy Monkey 10-12-2011 03:29 PM

I'm assuming its the individual forms, not the accumulated data.

zippyt 10-12-2011 05:35 PM

i got 8 guessing

DanaC 10-12-2011 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 763157)
So, why is the census a secret for 100 years? That's wacky!

Responding to the census is a legal obligation. Can't very well legally require everyone to give up a bunch of details about who lives in their home, how old they are, what they do for a living, what their ethnicity is and a whole host of other personal details, and then put that info into the public domain.

monster 10-12-2011 06:07 PM

16. what a ridiculous test, though. Half those questions have zero relevance

DanaC 10-12-2011 06:11 PM

And half of them have more than one 'correct' answer.

Aliantha 10-12-2011 06:13 PM

That's what I was thinking Dana.

There was a lot of speculation about the new Australian Cit Test too. I might see if I can find a practice one and post it. See how many of us can be aussies. lol

Aliantha 10-12-2011 06:24 PM

http://www.australiancitizenshiptest.net/?p=sample_test

I got 17/20, so I can be an Australian. lol

Again, some of the questions I found to be a bit ambiguous, but I think the questions are bit more reasonable than I had expected. I think if I hadn't been born here I'd find it hard to answer a lot more of the questions though.

2/3 I got wrong were ones where I should have chosen C all of the above rather than selecting option A or B. I feel a bit better now. :)

Spexxvet 10-12-2011 06:30 PM

Quote:

Total Questions: 20
Answered: 20
Unanswered: 0
Correct Answers: 15
Wrong Answers: 5
Time Taken: 4 Min & 16 Sec
Score: 75 %

Result: PASSED
You can call me Bruce.

Lamplighter 10-12-2011 06:37 PM

1 Attachment(s)
I failed the test miserably... but I got this one right.
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Aliantha 10-12-2011 06:38 PM

lol....nice one.

wolf 10-12-2011 07:36 PM

8 out of 24. So, I equalled the score of random guessing by random guessing.

Although one of the things I am randomly guessing about is exactly how this test is reflective of knowledge of citizenship ...

Off to stand on my head to do the Aussie quiz.

wolf 10-12-2011 07:46 PM

14 out of 20 ... Failed. A C grade is passing here in the civilized world, you know.

I'm just going to have to have a coupla Big Barrels to console myself, and work up the courage to go blue with the ratbag who wrote it. Or something.

Aliantha 10-12-2011 07:49 PM

have a blue. lol

I thought you were thinking about entering into some bizarre sex game with a rodent for a minute. ;)

wolf 10-12-2011 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 763229)
have a blue. lol

I thought you were thinking about entering into some bizarre sex game with a rodent for a minute. ;)

That is a common fault of online translators ...

SamIam 10-13-2011 11:49 AM

So, what's the actual difference in pay rates between men and women in the UK?

DanaC 10-13-2011 12:05 PM

Well, it used to be 17.5% but I think that quiz puts it around 20% currently.

DanaC 10-13-2011 12:06 PM

From the Guardian:

Quote:

The data shows that the median annual salary for all full-time employees in 2010 was £25,900, which is up 0.3% on the year before. But men earn vastly more than women: £28,091, compared to £22,490 - a difference of 19.9%.

Even overtime has an effect - 24.1% of men working full-time take home overtime pay, compared to only 12% of women in the same position.

But even if you remove that impact, plus the effect of women earning maternity pay and the fact that more women work part-time than men, the difference is still striking: men earned 10.2% more in hourly full-time pay last year, £13.01 compared to £11.68.

Quote:

The pay gap has narrowed considerably in the past decade, declining from 16.3% (excluding overtime) in 2000 to 10.2% last year

The ONS recommends looking at median salaries because they are not affected by the relatively few very high earners - unlike the 'average' or 'mean' salary, which would be changed by one or two people earning over £1m, for instance. If you do use the average figure, the pay gap rises to 15.5%.
And before we start wondering if we're really comparing like with like:

Quote:

Using the ONS' job classification data, where each occupation is given a special 4-digit code number, the data shows there are around 170 jobs classified where men earn over 10% more than their female counterparts, and another 200 where men earn between 1 and 10% more than women. There are only three where the hourly pay is the same.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...ns-day-pay-gap

TheMercenary 10-14-2011 07:39 AM

Quote:

Correct Answers: 14
Wrong Answers: 6
Time Taken: 4 Min & 18 Sec
Score: 70 %
Result: FAILED
Close, but no cigar.... I would still live there if given the chance.

BigV 10-14-2011 09:57 AM

Define "chance".

TheMercenary 10-14-2011 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV (Post 763704)
Define "chance".

You pay my fucking ticket, my moving expenses, and my kids college loans and I will move there.:p:

Oh, and pick up the payment for the boat while I am gone.:rolleyes:

ZenGum 10-14-2011 05:47 PM

What are these "college loans" you speak of, foreigner? :D


(Kinda BS, really, but uni students here come out with a smallish debt with very soft terms and rates. Less funny with the details.)

DanaC 10-14-2011 05:51 PM

Merc, you'd hate it man. Taxed to fuck, and no guns!

Aliantha 10-14-2011 06:33 PM

Yeah, we have tax, and IMO, we pay an awful lot. Also, we have guns. It's just that you can't carry a hand gun around.

Just as a side note, it's amazing how much my attitude to taxation has changed as my financial circumstances have changed.

DanaC 10-14-2011 06:42 PM

I have been poorly paid and reasonably well paid and I have never resented income tax and national insurance.

ZenGum 10-14-2011 06:47 PM

Yeah, but you're a commie. :D

Quote:

All them darkies and furriners, right, they should, like, ....
a. Sod off back where they came from
b. get jobs and stop bludging off welfare
c. stop taking all our jobs
d. open a corner store.
Well?

DanaC 10-14-2011 07:06 PM

lol. I love b and c.

ZenGum 10-14-2011 07:10 PM

Yeah, you'll sometimes hear those two things out of one (usually loud) mouth within a few moments of each other. :facepalm:

Aliantha 10-14-2011 07:24 PM

I keep telling all my kiwi friends to go home so there's more jobs here. Then I realise what a dumb thing I'm saying. :lol2:

ZenGum 10-14-2011 07:31 PM

Yeah, as if a Kiwi in Oz would have a job ... :lol:

Aliantha 10-14-2011 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 763936)
I have been poorly paid and reasonably well paid and I have never resented income tax and national insurance.

Yeah me too, but these days I see how hard Dazza works and I think it's not fair.

Last week he had his usual fortnightly pay which is about $5k gross, and also a project which was worth about $5k gross, but he only got to bring home about half of that. Less than actually.

I'm talking about a man who works about 80 hours a week in a job that he loves in general, so he's lucky that way, but still, we're still only considered upper middle income earners here, yet we get not a cent in aid from the government at all. We get no medical assistance at all. We pay full price for everything. Dazza supports two kids who aren't his biologically because their father firstly wont pay and secondly lives in another country now, so there's no recourse. I do what I can with bits of odd jobs here and there and some part time work, but it doesn't make much difference.

Then there are people (many) who complain because they have been cut off from unemployment benefits or been ASKED by centrelink to get a job even, and they bitch about it. Meanwhile, we work our arses off to pay the bills so that we can give our kids the same things the multiple child single parent families living off welfare get!

It sux.

ZenGum 10-14-2011 07:38 PM

Quote:

We get no medical assistance at all.
Eh?

You're all entitled to medicare, and if you have private insurance, that is tax deductible.

Aliantha 10-14-2011 07:40 PM

Yeah, but we don't qualify for bulk billing, and we pay full price for prescriptions etc. Also, I understand that if we have emergency surgery, we're expected to pay more than an unemployed person (although I'm not certain of that last bit).

Aliantha 10-14-2011 07:42 PM

I don't have private health insurance because when I was in my mid to late 20's when the new legislations came in, I was a single parent working part time and going to uni full time. I couldn't afford private health insurance. By the time I could, I was over 30 so there was no point.

I believe the legislation has changed again now, so next year might be different as a family group, but right now, nope. No private health insurance.

classicman 10-14-2011 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 763932)
it's amazing how much my attitude to taxation has changed as my financial circumstances have changed.

Just as a side note?

Aliantha 10-15-2011 12:12 AM

oh well I didn't mean to make a big thing of it. lol

TheMercenary 10-15-2011 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 763915)
Merc, you'd hate it man. Taxed to fuck, and no guns!

Screw that then, I ain't going if I can't take my armory.....:D


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