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classicman 11-02-2011 01:20 PM

Like meat? Watch this
 
Video Here

Now along with not eating seafood from Asia or other countries ... we have to watch for GLUED meat! Be sure to watch this; you will be shocked.

The next time that you are at the grocery store go to the pre-packaged meat coolers and look closely at the list of the countries on the label of any of the packaged meats (which is a mandatory FDA law) that shows where the meat came from. Buy only meat that came from USA or Canada.

Well, you can bet that if they are doing it in Australia, they're doing it here. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me to learn the technology was developed here. I have never seen or heard of such a thing!!!

Sundae 11-02-2011 01:32 PM

Firstly - you can buy meat from the European Union - meat glue is banned here.
Secondly - many, many items are made from "reformed" meat. Ham, turkey and chicken "rolls", any joints available to cook from frozen, nuggets etc.

There is a big movement here about buying responsibly raised meat. Even McDonalds trumpets its farm to fork policies, using only beef reared in the British Isles, organic milk and free range eggs etc (although they import battery raised chicken for meat - grim).

wolf 11-02-2011 01:53 PM

Over here we call those scraps stewing beef cubes, even though they are rarely cube shaped.

That is grimmy, though. Wouldn't want to try that.

Makes me wonder about some of those commercial ship filet mignon to your house companies. They have to be cutting costs somewhere to offer those kinds of prices.

infinite monkey 11-02-2011 01:55 PM

I've bought those packs of filets from the grocery before...you know, it's like a "brand" and wasn't cut at the store...I wonder about them now.

The most pure and perfect and yummiful food known to man: a filet. Ruined.

BY GREED!

(do you see my theme here?)

classicman 11-02-2011 02:03 PM

I heard that it was banned in the UK Sundae, this was more for those posters here in the US as it is NOT banned yet.
It reminded me of a dinner earlier this year at my parents. Mom bought this expensive tenderloin. As I was prepping it to cook, I knew something wasn't right. I'm sure it was something like this. As I cut into it, it had the weird lines as shown in this video.

@Wolf - good point, I hadn't thought of that.

Spexxvet 11-02-2011 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 769539)
I heard that it was banned in the UK Sundae, this was more for those posters here in the US as it is NOT banned yet.
It reminded me of a dinner earlier this year at my parents. Mom bought this expensive tenderloin. As I was prepping it to cook, I knew something wasn't right. I'm sure it was something like this. As I cut into it, it had the weird lines as shown in this video.

@Wolf - good point, I hadn't thought of that.

A tenderloin is made up of 3 different muscles, if I recall "Good Eats" correctly. There's facia (sp) between them.

HungLikeJesus 11-02-2011 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae (Post 769515)

There is a big movement here about buying responsibly raised meat. Even McDonalds trumpets its farm to fork policies, ...

McDonald's has forks?

Spexxvet 11-02-2011 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 769557)
A tenderloin is made up of 3 different muscles, if I recall "Good Eats" correctly. There's facia (sp) between them.

Start at about 5:25

footfootfoot 11-02-2011 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae (Post 769515)
Firstly - you can buy meat from the European Union - meat glue is banned here.
Secondly - many, many items are made from "reformed" meat. Ham, turkey and chicken "rolls", any joints available to cook from frozen, nuggets etc.

The worst is when you buy reformed meat and it turns out to be recidivist meat that only claimed to be reformed. You can never really tell.

Spexxvet 11-02-2011 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot (Post 769599)
The worst is when you buy reformed meat and it turns out to be recidivist meat that only claimed to be reformed. You can never really tell.

Or if it's orthodox or Hasidic.

Sundae 11-02-2011 04:01 PM

Or halal or haram
'Cept that's not proper American meat of course.

wolf 11-02-2011 04:02 PM

If it's killed properly under rabbinical supervision, but then glued together like that, is it still kosher?

HungLikeJesus 11-02-2011 04:04 PM

If it tastes good, who cares if it's glued together.

The glue is probably made from horses, anyway.

Gravdigr 11-02-2011 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 769618)
If it tastes good, who cares if it's glued together.

Everybody who don't like being lied to? I would not buy glued together meat, if I knew.

Would you really be alright with paying the filet mignon price for scraps of meat glued together in the shape of filet mignon???

Now...If it comes in a bag that screams "Glued-Together Meat", maybe. But, prolly not.

:greenface

HungLikeJesus 11-02-2011 04:45 PM

But white chocolate isn't really chocolate, there's no licorice in red licorice and Coke doesn't actually contain any coke.

Clodfobble 11-02-2011 05:17 PM

"Doesn't actually contain" isn't the same as "secretly contains." Transglutinamase (aka the meat glue featured in the video) is involved in the autoimmune reaction to gluten, and this is why my kids have to eat organic, un-fucked-with meat. But in fairness to your point, they also can't eat white chocolate, red licorice, or coke either.

HungLikeJesus 11-02-2011 05:49 PM

I eat hotdogs, sausages, chicken tenders and McDonald's fish filet (with extra anti-foaming agent!), so I can't really object to meat glue.

Aliantha 11-02-2011 05:53 PM

I have to say, I don't watch that TV show because it's just a running joke as far as actually providing worthwhile journalism, so I'll have to do a bit more research into this. As mentioned previously, things like chicken nuggets and rolls of ham etc use stuff like this, and if you didn't figure that out before this article, you haven't been putting as much thought into what you're eating as you have been putting in your mouth, but it's news to me about the steaks.

I'll be interested to see what turns up.

Stay tuned. ;)

Spexxvet 11-02-2011 06:04 PM

When I was in first grade, the girls next to me would eat white paste. She ate her boogies, too.

Aliantha 11-02-2011 06:10 PM

Here's an interesting article which refutes the TT claims one by one and well worth the read if you took the time to watch the original.

I'm still interested to find out about the producers of these types of steak and where the market is.

Aliantha 11-02-2011 06:22 PM

The main thing I find hard to swallow about the OP is that they don't name any particular producer of glued steaks and offer them a chance to refute or explain these claims. They've basically done a lab test with one butcher (and definitely far from the only butcher in Oz) that doesn't use the product. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing glued meat in a butcher shop, and I honestly believe I know enough about butchered meat to tell the difference after having watched and participated in enough farm yard butchering jobs to have a good idea about it all.

I don't believe the practice is as widespread as the OP would have us believe, but i do have a feeling that it might be a product used specifically for export beef.

Really, consumers need to educate themselves on what they're eating and what it should look, taste and feel like. The same thing happens with seafood. People don't know enough about what they're eating to realise they're eating nile perch dressed up as barramundi. Half the bloody chefs don't know the difference either.

Still, there's a bit more info for me to look at yet.

HungLikeJesus 11-02-2011 06:36 PM

That was an interesting and well-written article. Even the comments were good.

Aliantha 11-02-2011 06:36 PM

Here's another article from the US. It has an interesting convo about the American Revolution and it's links to beef consumption at the bottom too. lol

Aliantha 11-02-2011 06:47 PM

So, after just one hour of informing myself about this particular product, I am once again irritated with the irresponsible journalism of TT and the issues it causes between people who choose to be informed, and those who choose to swallow whatever bullshit appears on TV (or the internet).

It's not that the product is that great or something I'd choose to eat, but as has been mentioned, it's used to lots of other things besides meat bits being stuck together as a deception, and of course, that might be a problem if you don't know to ask about it or don't know what your meat should look like on the plate, but if you ask and they tell you, then where's the issue.

When was the last time you ate a chicken nugget or some pressed ham or even spam! I guess you get what you pay for (in general) and if you get ripped off and you know it, then make a fuss.

classicman 11-02-2011 08:07 PM

My guess is that the market is the restaurants.

Aliantha 11-02-2011 08:12 PM

I'm sure you're right classic, but I can't think of a restaurant I'd go to that would sell crap like that. I really don't think I've ever had a rib fillet that wasn't a rib fillet.

classicman 11-02-2011 08:13 PM

Great counterpoint.

Quote:

Transglutaminase (TG) –aka meat glue, the stuff that allows you to bond proteins together –has been taking a pounding in the blogosphere recently and, as a proponent of the enzyme, so have I.
The other guy is blatantly against it.

classicman 11-02-2011 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 769693)
I really don't think I've ever had a rib fillet that wasn't a rib fillet.


How would you know. I think that is the point.

Aliantha 11-02-2011 08:31 PM

I think I'd know because i know what one is supposed to look like. What the formation of the meat is. Where the fatty bits should be and the cartilage etc.

ZenGum 11-03-2011 01:51 AM

I was going to watch that video later, until Ali pointed out it is from Today Tonight.

What they do to facts if far, far worse that what they claim is done to meat!

Thanks for the research Ali, you've saved me the time and annoyance.

Aliantha 11-03-2011 02:51 AM

No worries Zen. I'm still looking for someone who actually uses this stuff commercially for the purposes the TT dinks suggested. I'll let you know when I find what I'm looking for.

I just hate it when something from TT or ACA goes viral. The only good thing to come out of those shows combined was the soup diet, and even that has it's flaws!

Spexxvet 11-03-2011 08:20 AM

I've eaten it, and it was delicious. It glued my anus shut, but boy did it taste good.

Clodfobble 11-03-2011 09:04 AM

That's actually the reason you can't breathe it in, Spexx--it's an enzyme that breaks down protein rather indiscriminately, so if it gets in your lungs it will potentially dissolve the outer layer of your alveolar sacs. It gets used up passing through your GI tract, but you definitely wouldn't want to be shoving this stuff up in the wrong direction. :eek:

footfootfoot 11-03-2011 09:04 AM

All I can think about is the episode of Dr. Katz where the patient tells a story about his dad and an all you can eat restaurant. The dad tells him not to fill up on bread because "That's how they get you." The son asks him if he thinks the restaurant takes their unfinished steaks back to the kitchen and welds them back together.

infinite monkey 11-03-2011 09:14 AM

I've talked about that episode before, and my family will say 'that's how they get you' at dinner.

infinite monkey 11-03-2011 09:15 AM

Oh wait, hold my meat and watch this!

Undertoad 11-03-2011 09:31 AM

http://insidescoopsf.sfgate.com/blog...-in-your-food/

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TG... is used predominantly in fast food preparations like chicken nuggets and the sushi crab substitute called surimi... it was banned in Britain for about a year and then along with the U.S, Australia and Canada, Britain approved the product for use again in 2011.
http://www.good.is/post/what-meat-gl...food-movement/

Quote:

TG is added to low-quality extruded meat gels, imitation crab, or other "formed meats." It's also become something of a darling among chefs exploring the use of novel technologies in the kitchen.
The skeptics guide to the story: the poor (chicken nugget eaters), the rich (molecular gastronomy fans), and the poseurs (surimi eaters) are getting hosed. For the rest of us:

http://celiacdisease.about.com/b/201...eat-or-not.htm

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If transglutaminase meat glue is used in a product, it must be identified on the ingredients label as "TG enzyme," "enzyme" or "TGP enzyme." In addition, meats that contain transglutaminase will be labeled as "formed" or "reformed," as in "formed beef tenderloin," or "reformed beef tenderloin pieces."
...if that's on the label, avoid. Or just don't worry about it:

Quote:

the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has classified transglutaminase-containing meat glue products as "Generally Recognized as Safe," or GRAS.
After all, the French Culinary Institute thinks:

http://www.cookingissues.com/2011/05...-of-meat-glue/

Quote:

This video has gone somewhat viral over the last month. I encourage you to watch it. It is horse hockey... At the risk of preaching to the converted (sorry, loyal readers) I’m setting the record straight. TG is a great tool used by conscientious cooks to achieve fabulous and fantastic culinary results.

Spexxvet 11-03-2011 09:58 AM

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the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has classified transglutaminase-containing meat glue products as "Generally Recognized as Safe," or GRAS.
I want it irradiated first, just to be sure.;)

Clodfobble 11-03-2011 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad
...if that's on the label, avoid. Or just don't worry about it:

Quote:

the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has classified transglutaminase-containing meat glue products as "Generally Recognized as Safe," or GRAS.

Were you switching topics, or suggesting that celiacs shouldn't worry about transglutimanase after all? Wheat is also classfied as GRAS. (Or maybe you were never talking about celiacs at all, I just got thrown by your celiac web link...)

Undertoad 11-03-2011 02:41 PM

Not talking about celiacs, it was just where I got some info.

Wheat is definitely a grass.

Clodfobble 11-03-2011 02:57 PM

:lol:

classicman 11-03-2011 03:17 PM

Sorry all. I didn't know what TT was until Ali and Zen called them out.
Thanks for the info.

HungLikeJesus 11-03-2011 04:59 PM

The name of the show sounds like a SNL skit.

Aliantha 11-03-2011 05:29 PM

Don't worry about it classic. It's just a sensationalist daily half hour current affairs show which any sensible person watches with a very large bowl of salt on the arm of the chair. They're notorious for telling only one side of the story. They've been sued and had to make apologies on air, all because they encourage one sided reporting from their staff.

classicman 11-03-2011 05:55 PM

Thanks Ali, I still don't like what I've read about this meat glue. Shrug.

kerosene 11-10-2011 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 769586)
McDonald's has forks?

Only on the other side of the pond...they has manners over there.

HungLikeJesus 11-10-2011 08:56 PM

Hey k-sene, nice to see you!

Stormieweather 11-10-2011 10:26 PM

Thanks all for reinforcing my belief that meat should be meat and nothing but meat. I won't even eat it if the animal was fed antibiotics or growth hormones BEFORE it or it's byproducts became a consumable.

glatt 11-11-2011 08:25 AM

I read somewhere recently about why the McRib makes limited appearances at McDonald every once in a while.

Think it's some elaborate marketing thing? Limited supply for a special item? Nope. It's simple economics. When pork prices go down every few years, McDonalds buys a bunch of pork, and grinds them into McRib sandwiches. When pork prices go back up, they stop selling the McRib. That's it.

HungLikeJesus 11-11-2011 08:32 AM

I've never had a McRib, but if they're made with meat glue I'd like to try one.

infinite monkey 11-11-2011 10:24 AM

I like crap food. Really, I do.

But I really can't imagine eating a McRib. I just can't.

ZenGum 11-11-2011 05:12 PM

I deny that "extrusion" is valid a cooking technique.

HungLikeJesus 11-11-2011 05:23 PM

You don't like sausage?

ZenGum 11-11-2011 05:28 PM

Actually, no.

Aliantha 11-13-2011 05:33 AM

I got my dad a mincer a couple of years ago and he makes great sausages. They're way different than the usual ones cause they're not filled with gluten and stuff and muck. Just ground meat (usually beef), some fat and some spices. They're usually pretty good.

classicman 11-13-2011 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 771988)
I've never had a McRib, but if they're made with meat glue I'd like to try one.

:greenface

ZenGum 11-14-2011 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 772417)
I got my dad a mincer a couple of years ago and he makes great sausages. They're way different than the usual ones cause they're not filled with gluten and stuff and muck. Just ground meat (usually beef), some fat and some spices. They're usually pretty good.

Well, I'd eat those. Commercial sausages are a mix of the bits they can't sell any other way with filler and preservative. Yech.

Actually I had a strange sausage-craving (stop thinking that!) so i bought a few packs. The fad lasted a few weeks until the sulphurous tang of the preservative got to me.

If anyone wants three frozen pork snags with some herby stuff, let me know.

Aliantha 11-14-2011 12:34 AM

I'll pass. I'm not much of a sausage girl myself. (stop thinking that)

kerosene 11-16-2011 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 771865)
Hey k-sene, nice to see you!

Good to see you, too :)

Husband works for a natural beef company...not grass fed organic beef, but non-antibiotic fed natural beef. We get it pretty cheap with employee discounts and I swear, even when he stops working there, I will never go back to eating the crap they sell in the grocery store. the taste is just so much more...like meat. Good stuff.

Don't eat Taco bell. their taco "filling" is only 37% meat.

HungLikeJesus 11-16-2011 10:37 PM

It's 37% meat and 63% secret-y goodness.


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