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Flint 11-22-2011 10:37 PM

Those who desire power...
 
...don't deserve it. Who said this?

zippyt 11-22-2011 10:41 PM

I dont know but i have a feeling the saying May come in handy SOON !!

classicman 11-22-2011 10:42 PM

I thought it was "Those who desire power must be kept from attaining it."

Still dunno who said it though.

jimhelm 11-22-2011 10:53 PM

Buddha

sexobon 11-22-2011 11:02 PM

your electric company

Trilby 11-23-2011 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 775032)
your electric company

Ha!

Once again Poetry has the Anwer:


Ozymandias -


I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away".

Griff 11-23-2011 06:33 AM

If you were to summarize Jefferson's thought you could get to that but, I don't think he actually said it. I found this one though: "An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens."

infinite monkey 11-23-2011 07:03 AM

I saw it recently on the cookies!

It's a cookie! :cookiemonster:

infinite monkey 11-23-2011 07:21 AM

I'm more awed by this cookie:

It's the raisins that make Post Raisin Bran so raisiny.

Indeed, indeed.

(I prefer Kellogs, but hey, that's just me.)

jimhelm 11-23-2011 08:39 AM

I said buddha last night while I was drinkin
But now that I'm sober ive been thinkin
Maybe I was wrong...was it Lincoln?

infinite monkey 11-23-2011 08:44 AM

Tonight when I'm drinkin
I'll try to start thinkin
About who wrote that stinkin
Quote

infinite monkey 11-23-2011 08:46 AM

Those who desire power...are doomed to repeat it?

infinite monkey 11-23-2011 08:47 AM

Power is as power does?

infinite monkey 11-23-2011 08:56 AM


Spexxvet 11-23-2011 09:33 AM

Flint said posted it

SamIam 11-23-2011 10:07 AM

Might have been Ben Franklin?

I like this:

It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power.

David Brin (1950 - )

infinite monkey 11-23-2011 10:10 AM

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He was also really good with The Talking Heads.

JBKlyde 11-23-2011 12:34 PM

If power were attainable to a righteous man and he were to remain righteous then yes he deserves power.

monster 11-23-2011 06:40 PM

and a righteous woman?

...not that you're a complete tit or anything....

infinite monkey 11-23-2011 06:52 PM

she, she

I replaced the pronouns as well, to go along with your point.

footfootfoot 11-23-2011 07:00 PM

That was from one of the Teachings of Don Juan books.

infinite monkey 11-23-2011 07:06 PM

Which one? Weren't there about 25 of them?

sexobon 11-23-2011 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JBKlyde (Post 775157)
If power were attainable to a righteous man ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 775260)
and a righteous woman?

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 775263)
she, she

I replaced the pronouns as well, to go along with your point.

There were two of them, it was a he and a he, and they called themselves brothers.

infinite monkey 11-23-2011 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBKlyde (Post 775157)
If power were attainable to a righteous man and he were to remain righteous then yes he deserves power.

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 775260)
and a righteous woman?

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 775263)
she, she

I replaced the pronouns as well, to go along with your point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 775271)
There were two of them, it was a he and a he, and they called themselves brothers.

:thepain2:

sexobon 11-23-2011 08:42 PM

You've lost that lovin' feeling.

Clodfobble 11-23-2011 10:08 PM

It was Plato who said, "He does not desire power is fit to hold it."

footfootfoot 11-23-2011 11:59 PM

:eyebrow:

Clodfobble 11-24-2011 12:22 AM

Look, man, I went to this massively self-wanking liberal arts honors program, yeah? And Plato was, like, our fucking mascot. I honestly cannot even remember which class made me read The Republic because I think it was all of them.

And hey--hey. Don't act like you couldn't quote the shit out of Buddha if that happened to be what Flint was asking about! Someone who lived with Tibetan monks doesn't have much of a leg to stand on, ya feel me?

ZenGum 11-24-2011 02:40 AM

It does sound like the sort of thing Plato would have said.

But this:
Quote:

It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power.

David Brin (1950 - )
See, USA, there's your problem, right there.

Who the hell would want to be president right now? Why would anyone sensible want that? Massively high pressure, have to work with any number of assholes, not terribly well paid, short term, and with a murder rate of around 10% one of the most dangerous legal jobs in the world.

No wonder the candidates are so crap.

Trilby 11-24-2011 04:27 AM

Wait.

Foot lived with Tibetan monks?

Griff 11-24-2011 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 775319)
It does sound like the sort of thing Plato would have said.

But this:


See, USA, there's your problem, right there.

Who the hell would want to be president right now? Why would anyone sensible want that? Massively high pressure, have to work with any number of assholes, not terribly well paid, short term, and with a murder rate of around 10% one of the most dangerous legal jobs in the world.

No wonder the candidates are so crap.

I think you're on to something here.
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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 775331)
Wait.

Foot lived with Tibetan monks?

That boy is an onion see. If he takes a deer he hasn't taken.

footfootfoot 11-24-2011 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 775331)
Wait.

Foot lived with Tibetan monks?

Actually, Rinzai Zen monks if you must know.
And it's onion layers all the way down.

Killing is killing, deer, carrots, nothing on this planet lives except at the expense of another life. That's what makes earth a special kind of hell.
I try not to recognize an anthropocentric hierarchy.

footfootfoot 11-24-2011 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 775305)
Look, man, I went to this massively self-wanking liberal arts honors program, yeah? And Plato was, like, our fucking mascot. I honestly cannot even remember which class made me read The Republic because I think it was all of them.

And hey--hey. Don't act like you couldn't quote the shit out of Buddha if that happened to be what Flint was asking about! Someone who lived with Tibetan monks doesn't have much of a leg to stand on, ya feel me?

That eyebrow was more to say "Can you make me impressed with you any more?"

regular.joe 11-25-2011 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot (Post 775408)
Actually, Rinzai Zen monks if you must know.
And it's onion layers all the way down.

Killing is killing, deer, carrots, nothing on this planet lives except at the expense of another life. That's what makes earth a special kind of hell.
I try not to recognize an anthropocentric hierarchy.

The only thing that can ever exist is our experience of right here/right now. The universe does not think of itself as the center, neither should we. Hmm..or perhaps because we think of ourselves as the center the universe does. Either way the universe cannot kill itself.

Clodfobble 11-26-2011 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot
That eyebrow was more to say "Can you make me impressed with you any more?"

I think the real question is, starting from where I am now, how fast can I make you totally digusted with me?

What movie was that? I have only this vague sense, a character who deliberately built up the love before proving what a bastard he could be, because he especially enjoyed crushing people's trust in their own judgment. And then his new challenge was to win them back anyway.

jimhelm 11-26-2011 10:11 PM

dangerous liasons?

http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1988_...kovich_002.jpg

Clodfobble 11-26-2011 10:22 PM

Yes! The toying with Michelle Pfeiffer. That was exactly it.

Flint 11-26-2011 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 775093)
Flint said posted it

I may have. But I will say this:

Power over yourself is the only power you can hope to acheive.
Power over yourself can never be fully acheived.
Therefore, power is an illusion.

jimhelm 11-27-2011 08:12 AM

So who fucking said it?

Griff 11-27-2011 09:09 AM

The American voter.

richlevy 11-28-2011 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 775936)
What movie was that? I have only this vague sense, a character who deliberately built up the love before proving what a bastard he could be, because he especially enjoyed crushing people's trust in their own judgment. And then his new challenge was to win them back anyway.

The Biography of Newt Gingrich?

Pete Zicato 11-28-2011 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 775040)
Ozymandias -

One of my very favorite poems. Up there with Langston Hughes' "Mother to Son" and "Westron Wind" (possibly the earliest recorded bit of English).

Flint 02-08-2012 11:08 PM

If I said it, then I said it, and I'll say it again: Those who desire power don't deserve it.


On the other side of things, aspiring to serve, I read that the founder of the "Servant Leadership" movement got the idea from reading Herman Hesse!

ZenGum 02-08-2012 11:54 PM

Those who desire power should not have bought a prius.

pastortoy 02-13-2012 10:16 PM

George Carlin.


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