My Name is Jason and I disapprove of US Government
 

I think that having to choose between the lesser of 2 evils every election is completely ridiculous. So here's my solution. DON'T vote. How many America's don't vote on election day. I think that's a very legitimate question that dose not get addressed. If the majority of people in America don't vote then apparently government is not doing it's job. The democrats want the middle class and the republicans want the top 1 percent. But who is standing up for the poor?? No one, I am a very poor person and my family is very poor. Every election year I have to hear all this non sense that means nothing to me and no one is concerned with what I have to say. So I go on the net and speak my mind and no one really pays attention. I get this bs from the preachers that "no weapon" forged against me will prosper. ANd everyone thinks I'm stupid. So the only way for my voice to be heard is to just write renegade poetry and rebel. I dunno maybe I'm a fool but maybe I have a point. What do you think??

qcc??

That's a plan, but I don't see how it's a solution. What does it solve JBK? How does it solve what you say it solves?

I have another question.

With respect to your poverty and your family's poverty, what do you want or expect from our government, regardless of party labels?

Note: this was slowly composed on my phone and I haven't read bigv' comments yet. This post was to jbk.

I disagree.

You can go to a voting booth and find at least one issue that means something to you, or one candidate who isn't completely abhorrent. You vote for that one thing. Only then will your civil commentary mean anything.

Not picking any of the choices is a choice itself. I've done it. But I had a ballot cast, so my nonvote meant something.

I don't think it solves anything but if the majority dose not vote then we can all agree that we have a legitimate problem. The biggest problem in American government is that no one agrees with each other.

I expect it to be morally correct.

Yes that sounds like a solution.

If the moderates do not vote, the extremists are in control.

Do you realize how hard certain groups of people have worked over the years simply to have the ability to vote? Minorities, women, poor people/non-land owners, and AMERICANS in general vs. colonists of Britain??? And you're just gonna not bother voting 'cause none of the issues or candidates is a perfect paragon of idealism?

Fine. We're better off that way. If more clueless people stayed home on election day, the results might be more productive. As for me, I've made up my mind - and I WILL be at the voting booth.

Staying home and doing nothing is NOT the way to elicit change. You don't like what's out there? Get off your ass and work for something better. Volunteer for political action groups. Make phone calls to raise campaign contributions for Mr. Unknown (who will continue to be unknown if his supporters just say meh, why bother). Write letters to the less-than-ideal candidates and elected officials. Organize boycotts and demonstrations. DO something.

I might not agree with everyone who does something to effect political change, but I have deep respect for those who DO IT instead of just whining about it.

kick his ass Juniper!

I support Ron Paul personally. It's just that poor people are generally "uneducated" and that's my problem. Really, I just trust God and usually vote for whoever my conscious tells me to. Not vote-ing is just a way to say that you don't support anyone. If enough people got together and said they were fed up with politics and were not going to vote, we might just have a third party. Like the Green party or something.

Third parties have never been more than "spoilers" for one of the two major political candidates.

And they never will be. It's just the way our political system is set up. Vote for one of the two major political party candidates, or your vote is wasted. (it has some value as a measure of support for the 3rd party platform, but any poll would be just as valuable)

They say "to change your fortunes, change your thoughts", and they're quite right.

There ARE ways to get out of poverty, but you probably won't learn them from poor relatives or friends, or writing rebel poetry. If they knew how to do it, they'd have done it, right?

It may not seem like getting a better education or training, and eventually getting a better job, is the way to go --

But it is. It takes time, and it takes a lot of work, but that's what it takes. Also, you have to be smart about your money. Watch your finances like a hawk! :cool:

Crikey me, I agree with Adak for most of that post.

You know what would fix the political system?

Alternative vote/instant runoff, and proportional representation for all parties who earn at least five percent of the vote, instead of first-past-the-post voting.

That was a great post.

And the ideas behind it might work, if politicians wanted to actually help America, as opposed to furthering their own agendas, which very rarely have the good of America in mind.

BTW, I've said this before, I think.

We should be able to vote against people. You'd get one 'for' vote, and then you could vote 'no way in hell' against everyone else. Or you could just say "insertnamehere?" 'Oh, hell no'.

If the 'agin' votes outnumber the 'fer' votes, that feller is shit outta luck.

"... and so I declare candidate Z, with minus 18 million votes, being the smallest negative number of votes, to be the winner ..."

Oh, so they should just go on QI then.
Wait. what if the audience wins?

How about we elect our next Prez American Idol style.

We get a dozen candidates, who have to perform somehow - debating, speechifying, doing something useful for a change. The judges make comments about how they did. Then we all vote by texting with our cell phones and they're eliminated one by one till we crown our next Presidential Idol.

Or Survivor style, where they are voted off the island and have to do challenges and make alliances with their tribes and whatnot (I never watched the show).

I think that would be a lot more fun, don't you?

How is that different from the current process? :right:

Well, the votes by text message. :)

Which may or may not really count anyway, according to AI critics who say it's all staged anyway . . .

Damn, you're right.

But it would still be more fun that way.

What is Alan Davies does?
Ah well. Could be worse. At least he has lovely curly hair.

I'd vote for president Davies because he'd have to make Fry VP.

No, you can't have Fry.
He is one of the Stately Homos of England now.

He could be your next official Queen.

I try to keep this in mind, voting for the more gentle slope to hell at each opportunity, unfortunately the extremists are already in control of the primary elections, so when we get to the general election there is no-one worthy of a positive vote. Moderates get drummed out of both parties. My district lost a middle ground Democrat who failed to toe the line. The party wanted someone less representative of the spirit of the locals, so now we're a Republican district whose rep votes strictly by party.

As far as legitimacy goes you can see here that we barely have legitimate elections during Presidential election cycles and don't have them in off years. The partisans of each side are cartoonish in their beliefs because the moderates have better things to do with their lives than attempt to rule others.

I dunno I WILL vote I am a registered republican. Mainly because I feel like the dems just aren't getting the job done, I'll vote republican.. so next year who ever gets elected I will have the right to complain.. I like republican because they are apparently going to return to the constitution and help restore our future..

After the 2000 election, we discussed routine behavior of the stock market. It tends to drop with Republican presidents. Talk about an understated prediction.

The Economist of 6 Oct 2012 provides numbers: How does one benchmark their sources? Anyone who did not know these well proven concepts should be examining their propaganda for bias.

Even Capital One keeps asking, "What's in your Wallet?"

Obama is a Fool.. the only reason anyone gives a shit about him is because he's the first black president and he is trying to make history. Unfortunately the history he is making is the down fall of american civilization as we know it. I think he is the anti Christ and if dose not start standing up for Israel then he should just shove a frog up his ass and lick his shit cause the only change that will happen is the extreme visuals of his diluted campaign...

you don't like blacks?

Why do you think he is the anti-christ? 'Cause he seems pretty fucking christian to me.....

and Israel? Um?

Are you a nazi?

I just think he's full of shit.. for not standing up to all these Islam extremist who think Israel should be annihilated..

In what way is he not standing up to Islamist extremists? Specifically, I mean. What has he done, or not done, that other presidents or candidates did not or would not do, or did and would do? How does Romney's position stand up to extremists more effectively?

watch the Christian Television Network...

Not if you paid me. They're not only wrong, they're insane.
I'm asking YOU, JBK. What do you think Obama could be doing more to fight Islamic extremism? He's been more aggressive than Bush, in some ways. Drone strikes, the OBL raid, increased sanctions on Iran, cooled relationships with Pakistan...
The only thing Obama HASN'T done, that he could have, to try to fight extremism in the Muslim world, is to actively work against democratization and revolution in the Middle East during the Arab Spring. Yes, letting them pick their own governments, instead of again propping up unpopular repressive dictatorships in the region as we have been for generations, might mean that Islamist factions with popular support have an opportunity to gain elected office.
that. is. their. RIGHT. their right as human beings. If they can't be allowed to elect the Muslim Brotherhood, we can't be allowed to elect Bachmann, or Paul, or Santorum, or even Romney. Human rights are human rights.

I dunno you make a good point but ctn is not insane.

Ok, maybe not insane. But definitely wrong on a lot of things.

I'd listen to them on matters of christian faith. But the key expertise needed to comment on politics and economics is not bible-based.

I'm just being a nusence trying to stir things up.. soory BracoB I'm just hacking on
you.......

FIFY

Then why did they advocate the death of 5000 American servicemen to no purpose in Mission Accomplished?

Why would a religioius organization advocate the unilateral attack of another nation? Why is a religious organization involved in politics and advocating war? That is called sane?

There's more than one way to skin a cat and I'm sure if we had all the facts it would pan out... why dose a man "Iran's Leader" claim that if Israel is wiped off the map then there Messiah will return?? there's two side's to every coin. Let's just be glad we are not being beheaded for what we believe.

If we went to war over every silly extremist proclamation, then we would even had to invade South Africa.

Facts are simple. Religious leaders advocated unilateral attacks on Iraq even when no threat existed. Honest religious leaders do not preach politics and war. Those who do pine for the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition. And probably do not even realize it. "Key expertise needed to comment on politics and economics is not bible-based."

There is no such belief. There is no 'messiah' in their faith. Your nutjob tv network is misleading you again.

edit: well, there is a sort-of messianic figure in Islam, but not one that has anything to do with blowing up Israel. Their messiah-figure is a harbinger of the end times and stuff.

We were mislead by government to go to war in Iraq under the false pretensions of weapons of mass destruction... and now we are in an arms race with Iran because they are enriching uraniem... "when it breaks down it's a ran-dumb selection"... The fire will test the quality of each mans work if what he builds survives he will get his reward if not he will only suffer loss he himself will be saved but only as one "escaping" through the flames...

That is painting with a broad brush. Government did not invent the mythical WMDs. George Jr's extremists did that. The rest of government was confused where those mythical WMDs came from. Some parts of government even proved to us, with numbers, that the accucastions were only myths.

We said we would unilaterally Pearl Harbor Iraq, Iran, and N Korea. The "Axis of Evil". Any good religion would have said we were the evil ones. We attacked Iraq for no reason by inventing lies. Any Iranian or North Korean would be bonckers to not desperately need WMDs.

Let's not forget history. A nation threatens to attack others for no reason. Then invades the first one. Name one good reason why Iran and N Korea does not need nuclear weapons?

That is not a rhetorical question. If a Christian Network was being honest, then their answer is desireable here. What did they say justified a war that they approved of?

If I gave you a revolver with one bullet in it, there is a 1 in 6 chance you would blow your brains out with it on the first pull. If there were 2 bullets in it a 2 in 6 chance, if 3 a 3 in 6 chance, if 4 a 4 in 6 chance, if 5 then 5 in 6, if 6 Boom your dead. IF I gave you this revolver and you promised not to ever use it except in-case of emergency and we agreed you'd keep it out of the way of children then hey I don't have a problem with you having the gun. So one day I find you out in the back yard shooting at cans. Then I see the can has the star of David on it. ANd I say hey why do they have the star of David on it?? And you say I just don't like David, and I say why and you say because he is my arch enemy. Then we go in to your house and there are paintings of swastikas and I discover you really hate David. And when I try to stand up for Dave you start burning the American flag. Then they tell me you are going to Kill David and his family because he believes in Jesus Christ. Then I realize you are a madman with my gun. Now I want my Gun back and you say no. So I wrestle you to the ground to get my gun back and you get shot in the head. Now your friends get mad and say I murdered you and you take me to court. Who's fault is your death Mine or Yours?? Don't ask me because I don't own a Gun.

We now interrupt your regularly scheduled religious argument for this Moment of Levity©

http://www.infowars.com/new-threats-...oses-election/


and that's what I call the down fall of American Civilization.. "vote for me or die"?? That's the message I am receiving... don't get me wrong I'm sure he's a great guy.. but he's just not getting the job done..

I walked away long ago because you are crazy to think religion is important. Religion has no relevance except between you and your god. Nowhere else.

Since you relate religion with guns, I figure law enforcement will be conducting the raid any day now. No good reason to be anywhere near you. I'll watch the 11 o'clock news to learn what was relevant.

Then there is more than one CEO threatening to fire their employees if Romney doesn't win. Extremists on both sides of the fence, dude.

and let them tell me what I should think.

I have a second amendment right to own a gun. And a first amendment right to free speech and religion.. So I guess I'm going to jail for what?? Being an American?? I think not.. but under obama I suppose I would loose this ability.. is that what your saying...

Obama is no mystery. He's been around for 4 years. Did he take your guns?

Romney is the mystery. He tells each new audience a different story. You have no idea which Romney is going to show up in the oval office.

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No but is he fighting the un mandate that says we can't own a gun?? NOt sure..

I don't own a gun.. Personally I believe that if you live by the sword you die by the sword my sword is the bible..

Obama has only been GOOD for gun rights. He changed long-standing policy, to allow people to carry firearms in national parks.
That is the ONLY gun legislation he's signed.

That's yet another Obama myth being passed around (anti-guns). :rolleyes::mad:

My son, who recently became enamoured of guns and shooting, was making the gun shop circuit locally, trying to locate a certain type of clip. Every shop owner was virulently anti-Obama, claiming he was trying to take away our gun rights. My son, who is very pro-Obama, was just shaking his head in disbelief at the ignorance.

He's getting quite an education this year on how politics works.

Of course. Limbaugh et al tell them how to think. That alone was sufficient to know it was true. That is why politics have become so extremist.

But again, we are back to cigarettes. Most people knew smoking cigarettes increased health. Advertising told them how to think. Documented facts and numbers were ignored. That meant learning why before the conclusion is created.

Extremists (also called ideologues) cannot be bothered to first learn facts. Brainwashing works, in part, because so many don't even realize how easily they are brainwashed. Simply tell them something (ie Saddam had WMDs). Then a majority will automatically believe it.

A majority of 1950 Americans just knew cigarettes increased health. Only a minority, who always ask why, were informed. We all witnessed same with Saddam's WMDs and Mission Accomplished. Some of us saw same with Vietnam. So why do so many still make the same msitake again and again?

So easy is to manipulate a majority who really do not want to learn; only want to be told how to think. And who deny they can be so easily brainwashed.

How many are so brainwashed as to believe any terrorist must be Al Qaeda? Same people who were told that Obama would take away their guns. The myth successfully increased sales and profits.

Did you know that the "fighting green devils" was one of the nazi's most elite forces... that's "stpete" highs mascot.. it out to tell you something about how completely insane of a society we are living in...

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I've seen the demons.. there anoying..