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jimhelm 01-29-2013 05:08 PM

What kind of Television do you have?
 
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I'm about to pull the trigger on a 60" LED TV. Got it pretty much narrowed down to this one:


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it's on sale for $899 at hhgregg, and I have a 10% coupon for signing up for spam emails.

anyone have any advice?

DanaC 01-29-2013 05:10 PM

Yup: 6 pack of becks beer and a paytoview boxing match.

tw 01-29-2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jimhelm (Post 850675)
I'm about to pull the trigger on a 60" LED TV. Got it pretty much narrowed down to this one:

It is really an LCD TV. LCDs are backlit by LEDs. Since LEDs sound higher tech, they call it an LED TV. A true LED TV means an LED for every dot on the screen.

Other technology is plasma. Now losing sales to LCD screens.

Two key factors to any LCD TV. First is the viewing angle. Most all have excellent viewing angles compared to a decade ago. Simply walk to the left or right until the picture degrades. That is the viewing angle.

Second is persistence. Often stores will display their 'test' programs by using slowly moving items. Persistence means a world fast sprinter running across the field as a halfback instead looks more like the Flash (from comic books).

A higher refresh rate means the TV can better follow the world class sprinter. However view it yourself to learn if your eyes and brain work too fast for that screen.

Beest 01-29-2013 06:35 PM

I bought the kids a 32" LED fro xmas for their upstairs chill area, it was a cheap make not one od the big names, the LED screen is nice , much more bright and vivid than the Vizio LCD we have as a main TV. I've been adjusting the settings and keep turning down the brightness and backlight becasue it seems too bright to me, but I think that's just the way they are. I need to get hold of the adjustment dvd I used with that tv.

TL: DR LED>LCD

tw 01-29-2013 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Beest (Post 850698)
I've been adjusting the settings and keep turning down the brightness and backlight becasue it seems too bright to me, but I think that's just the way they are.

Screen life expectancy is mostly defined by its LEDs. An LED should work continuously for ten years (or 30 years if using it 8 hours a day). However, the LEDs change with age. Eventually they will dim or become more brownish with age. That degradation is defined, in part, by how bright they are used.

Dimming that TV will extend LED life expectancy. A default setting on most TVs is LEDs at brightest.

Long enough for true LED TVs to finally appear in the market. A true LED TV needs no backlighting.

Another factor I forgot to mention is reflection. In some locations, sunlight or reflections from outside can leave a glare on the screen. TVs are available with a screen that does not reflect that glare. But those screens are hard to find. The term for such TVs, unfortunately, has been forgotten.

jimhelm 01-29-2013 09:17 PM

They talk about glossy and matte screens?

lumberjim 01-29-2013 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 850694)
It is really an LCD TV. LCDs are backlit by LEDs. Since LEDs sound higher tech, they call it an LED TV. A true LED TV means an LED for every dot on the screen.

Other technology is plasma. Now losing sales to LCD screens.

Two key factors to any LCD TV. First is the viewing angle. Most all have excellent viewing angles compared to a decade ago. Simply walk to the left or right until the picture degrades. That is the viewing angle.

Second is persistence. Often stores will display their 'test' programs by using slowly moving items. Persistence means a world fast sprinter running across the field as a halfback instead looks more like the Flash (from comic books).

A higher refresh rate means the TV can better follow the world class sprinter. However view it yourself to learn if your eyes and brain work too fast for that screen.

what does 'edge lit LED' mean?

tw 01-29-2013 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 850712)
what does 'edge lit LED' mean?

LCDs cannot be viewed without a backlight. A line of LEDs is along the screen edge. LED light is diffused across the screen so as to light every LCD pixel.

BTW, IEEE Spectrum discussed the first LCD screens. I believe RCA was manufacturing them in the late 1970s. But RCA had become dominated by MBAs. And so the operation in Raritan NJ had to make a profit immediately to survive. Products included store advertising signs and an LCD adjustable rearview mirror (to eliminate glare from headlights).

Eventually, starved for capital, that RCA division stopped making LCD products. Many years later, the Japanese discovered another American technology stifled by business school graduates. Everyone knows who then created jobs and profits. LCD technology is that old. High tech in LCD screens was LED backlighting.

lumberjim 01-29-2013 11:08 PM

I'm seeing Plasma screens that are touted as being a better picture than like priced LED's. Is the main drawback the longevity? I won't put many hours on a tv. maybe an average of 6-10 hours per week at most. more during football season. They seem to be heavier and consume a shade more electricity, but I don't really care about those things so much.

seems like if you want to spend $3000, you can get an LED that outperforms plasmas, but the under $1500 bunch ....

I may be over-analyzing this at this point...

oh, and could a mod fix my thread title? you, not yo. thx

tw 01-30-2013 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 850718)
oh, and could a mod fix my thread title? you, not yo. thx

Cellar is outside of Philly. If "yo" is good enough for Rocky, then it is good enough for yo.

Plasma is slowly losing to LCD screens. Another VHS vs Betamax marketing war.

DanaC 01-30-2013 05:31 AM

One thing to bear in mind as well, is that most of the newer tellies seem to have poor speaker quality (compared to older generation tellies) so you might want to get with some additional speakers.

I have yet to find an LED or LCD type telly that has a proper deep sound to it. There's a kind of shallow insubstantial sound to most of them.

Clodfobble 01-30-2013 09:45 AM

It's because deep sound requires a large woofer, and it really can't be made smaller. Older TVs could fit them in the voluminous back side, but these flat screens don't have anywhere to put them.

DanaC 01-30-2013 09:47 AM

Yeah. I figured it might be something like that. hateful sound quality. definitely needs an external subwoofer.

Clodfobble 01-30-2013 09:49 AM

We used to have artists or game testers tell us that they thought the sound for a particular cinematic or whatever was no good, and we'd innocently say that we were working on something and couldn't come down, but could they come up to our office and show us the part that sounded puny? And they'd hear the same cinematic on good speakers... and then they'd start lobbying for better equipment down in their department. :)

DanaC 01-30-2013 09:54 AM

I can believe it. I am an audio phreak. I can handle grainy images and slow refresh rate, but awkward or insubstantial sound wrecks a programme. I think I've become more intolerant on that score in recent years with my addiction to audio drama, where sound is everything.

glatt 01-30-2013 09:57 AM

What they need to do next is create a flexible LED screen that can be adhered to the membrane of a giant flat electrostatic speaker. So you have a 60 inch screen on a 60 inch woofer.

Undertoad 01-30-2013 10:19 AM

We tell people in the shop that plasma is better for blacks and they seem to like that idea

But it's true, plasma shows black better.

jimhelm 01-30-2013 11:22 AM

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I went plasma. LG.

glatt 01-30-2013 11:46 AM

congrats! I hope you love it.

xoxoxoBruce 01-30-2013 12:06 PM

They told me not to transport my plasma laying down.

jimhelm 01-30-2013 01:17 PM

Now you tell me.... Anyway, it's home. Works. Gotta call comcast and get a hdmi cable box. I just assumed it would have it.... Also need a wire for audio out to my surround sound system.

Clodfobble 01-30-2013 02:04 PM

Did you set it up on an entertainment center, or mount it to the wall?

BigV 01-30-2013 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 850754)
They told me not to transport my plasma laying down.

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Originally Posted by jimhelm (Post 850761)
Now you tell me.... Anyway, it's home. Works. Gotta call comcast and get a hdmi cable box. I just assumed it would have it.... Also need a wire for audio out to my surround sound system.

I reckon that is to keep the risk of breakage to a minimum. that giant piece of glass is much stronger and better supported when transported vertically than when transported horizontally. sounds like / looks like you're in the clear.

xoxoxoBruce 01-31-2013 01:46 AM

When you fire it up and go through the set up, somewhere in the menu it should give you a choice of "Display" or "Home". The "Display" setting is for in stores where they are all competing for your attention, so it's extra bright. That will wash out some movies.

jimhelm 01-31-2013 02:28 AM

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Did you set it up on an entertainment center, or mount it to the wall?

Just sitting on a table for now. It fits the space where the pocket doors separate the living room from my bed room perfectly.... Once I get more settled, I plan to build a wall mount between the jambs. I have to get everything connected properly first.

First thing I did was play madden 13 with hdmi connection to the xbox, then I put the new zeppelin dvd in to test the surround sound.....

Gravdigr 01-31-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jimhelm (Post 850675)
...coupon for signing up for spam emails.

anyone have any advice?

Get a new e-mail address?

jimhelm 02-01-2013 12:33 AM

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/01/seby3yga.jpgHeeheeeeeeee! Clod's head is bigger than mine!

jimhelm 02-01-2013 01:15 AM

Ok, skyrim on a 60" screen is pretty bad ass. Once I get the surround sound rolling, I might become a recluse.

xoxoxoBruce 02-01-2013 06:31 AM

Between that and the comfy couch, you'll be on a first name basis with all the food delivery guys in town. :haha:

glatt 02-01-2013 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jimhelm (Post 851025)
Heeheeeeeeee! Clod's head is bigger than mine!

Do you have a keyboard and mouse to navigate, or some sort of awkward remote control?

I can surf the Cellar on the Wii connected to the TV, but it would be pretty painful.

jimhelm 02-01-2013 09:43 AM

That's my gaming rig connected to the tv through an hdmi cable. Wireless mouse and keyboard. I can sit across the room on the couch, flip to that input, and browse the web.

I have not yet visited pornhub....

Pete Zicato 02-02-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jimhelm (Post 851055)
That's my gaming rig connected to the tv through an hdmi cable. Wireless mouse and keyboard. I can sit across the room on the couch, flip to that input, and browse the web.

I have not yet visited pornhub....

Sounds really cool.

jimhelm 02-04-2013 06:48 PM

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OK,

So, Friday night I went and got a TV stand. It took me and a buddy 4 hours to assemble. Then Saturday night, Amanda and I hooked up the new Sony receiver and wired the surround sound system. I still need a sub woofer. But Here's the set up in the daylight:
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My mom came over to see the place for the first time on Sunday, and we watched the Superbowl on the new tele. After they left I installed that internal bluray reader/writer that is sitting there next to the fireplace (in the computer...remember when I built that Gaming computer?) . That will run through the computer's DVi cable into the receiver and from there into the TV.

I just need to go get a cool bluray to watch. I think I will start with Avatar.

Clodfobble 02-05-2013 12:40 AM

Dude. Avengers, not Avatar.

glatt 02-05-2013 08:18 AM

True dat. Emma Peel is teh awesome.

Clodfobble 02-05-2013 08:33 AM

Ha! I meant the new one, directed by Joss Whedon. But the old one is probably pretty good too. [/youngun]

glatt 02-05-2013 08:46 AM

;)
Yeah. I knew what you meant. The Avengers was an old black and white British tv show. It was fun, and Emma Peel really was hot, but it's nothing special to watch on a kick-ass tv on bluray.

DanaC 02-05-2013 08:55 AM

Y'know...we think today we're the shiznet of genre and genre busting television, but some of the stuff they were doing back then was excellent quirk.

jimhelm 02-05-2013 09:12 AM

I got the special collectors edition of avatar..... cuz it was all they had.... and WOW. The part in the beginning where the space ships are heading to Pandora.... looked 3D. Looked REAL.

I also picked up Fight Club cuz it was only $10, Gladiator cuz it was only $8.98, and an aquarium thing

where you can put it in and it turns your tv into a fishtank for an hour and a half. I thought that would be cool to have on while playing a game, or something in that room.

jimhelm 02-05-2013 09:22 AM

hmmm... that company has a fireplace bluray..... with or without music and with the crackling fire only... of course there is a 20 minute version of it on youtube..... so I don't really need to buy that... I don't need my fire in HD. my fish, yes... but not my fire.


here's the channel on youtube.

clouds going by would be cool.... ocean waves, also cool.... I think I will make a playlist.

Pete Zicato 02-05-2013 06:06 PM

Jim - did you get a subwoofer yet?

jimhelm 02-05-2013 06:30 PM

No, not yet. I think I saw one at goodwill last week. It might not be right kind though

Pete Zicato 02-05-2013 07:00 PM

What are you looking for?

jimhelm 02-05-2013 09:02 PM

I need a powered sub.... The 3 that I have for computers hook up with a 3.5 mm wire. This receiver has a black outlet that looks like a component cable hookup. Don't want to spend a lot. All of the ones at best buy are $150+

Pete Zicato 02-07-2013 09:59 AM

Hmm. Well I've got a subwoofer that I was planning to put on Craigs list. It's an 8" downfiring Yamaha. The problem is that shipping would make it not much of a bargain for you.

Check your local Craigs list for a Yamaha YST-SW215. It's great for small to mid-size rooms.

DanaC 02-07-2013 11:49 AM

Subwoofer ...underdog

Pete Zicato 02-07-2013 01:13 PM

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Subwoofer ...underdog

Nice. I think I'll start calling them that. :D

Gravdigr 02-12-2013 05:20 PM

My TV was manufactured by American Standard.

Nothing but shit 24 hrs a day.


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