Psalm 61
 

Oh, God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe says, "Man you must be puttin' me on"
God says, "No", Abe say "What?"
God say "You can do what you want Abe but
The next time you see me comin' you better run"

Well Abe said, "Where do you want this killin' done?"
God say, "Out on Highway 61"

Well Georgia Sam he had a bloody nose
Welfare department they wouldn't give him no clothes
He asked poor Howard, "Where can I go?"
Howard said, "There's only one place I know"
Sam said, "Tell me quick man and I got to run"

0ld howard just pointed with his gun
And said, "That way down Highway 61"

Well Mack the finger said to Louie the King
"I got forty red white and blue shoe strings
And a thousand telephones that don't ring
Do you know where I can get rid of these things?"
And Louie the King said, "Let me think for a minute son"

And he said, "Yes I think it can be easily done
Just take everything down to Highway 61"

Now the fifth daughter on the twelfth night
Told the first father that things weren't right
My complexion she says is much too white
He said, "Come here and step into the light"
He says, "Hmm you're right
Let me tell the second mother this has been done"

But the second mother was with the seventh son
And they were both out on Highway 61

Now the Rovin' gambler he was very bored
He was tryin' to create a next world war
He found a promoter who nearly fell off the floor
He said, "I never engaged in this kind of thing before
But yes I think it can be very easily done"

We'll just put some bleachers out in the sun
And have it on Highway 61

Bob Dylan

Awesome. I used to know that by heart lol. Did a passable Dylan impression with it too:p

I admit I never heard it before and I'm rather lost as to the meaning

According to wiki:

The song has five stanzas. In each stanza, someone describes an unusual problem that is ultimately resolved on Highway 61. In Verse 1, God tells Abraham to "kill me a son". God wants the killing done on Highway 61. This stanza references Genesis 22, in which God commands Abraham to kill one of his two sons, Isaac. Abram, the original name of the biblical Abraham, is the name of Dylan's own father. Verse 2 describes a poor fellow, Georgia Sam, who is beyond the helping of the welfare department. He is told to go down Highway 61. Georgia Sam may be a reference to Piedmont blues musician Blind Willie McTell, who occasionally went by Georgia Sam when recording.

In the third verse, a "Mack the Finger" has this problem of getting rid of particular absurd things: "I got forty red white and blue shoe strings / And a thousand telephones that don't ring". "Louie the King" solves the problem with Highway 61. Verse 4 is about the "fifth daughter" who on the "twelfth night" told the "first father" that her complexion is too pale. Agreeing, the father seeks to tell the "second mother", but she is with the "seventh son", on Highway 61.

The fifth and last verse is the story of a bored gambler, trying "to create the next world war". His promoter tells him to "put some bleachers out in the sun / And have it on Highway 61". There is an evident political undertone in this absurd tale.

There is a pause in each verse while Dylan waits for some event in the story to finish; in the third verse, for example, the pause occurs while Louie the King attempts to resolve the shoestring-and-telephones problem. Between each verse Dylan is heard blowing an imitation police whistle, known as a "Siren Whistle" [1], brought in by Sam Lay who was drummer on the Highway 61 sessions as noted by Tony Glover in the liner notes to Live 1966. Other accounts say that the whistle was brought in by Al Kooper. It is said that he had originally brought in the "siren whistle" to police the sessions. Supposedly, if someone were to begin doing drugs he would go into a corner and blow on the whistle. He later suggested to Dylan that he use the whistle in this song instead of his harmonica.

you shouldn't mock the bible like that.. I find it very dis tasteful

More distasteful or less distasteful than telling someone to kill their son in order to win a bet?

Trying to start a world war is worse, but the whole "kill your son" thing is more viscerally, creepily, cruel.

Do you know why god wanted Abraham to kill Isaac when he was a child?

Because if Abraham waited until Isaac was a teenager it wouldn't have been a sacrifice.

I may not be here all week, but try the gefilte fish anyway. The Lox isn't too bad either.

:lol:
I'm stealing that.

The bottom line for me anyway is the idea we have as Americans that we can solve our problems and rebuild our lives by simply picking up, moving, and starting over. I see Highway 61 as a symbol of that spirit.

I say this as a friend, I am almost always offended by your interpretation of the bible, finding Jesus in your words about a vengeful angry God is next to impossible.

the fact that you call me friend is nice, but the fact that you don't pay attention to most of what I say is dis-heartening... if you notice when I speak of God if it is not a direct scripture.. I unusually question my sanity.. ""I have to question the prophetic ties behind these hallucinations is a path to enlightenment really being opened or have I just tapped in to some dark force"" I believe that where there is a will there is a way and the only way to the Father is through the Son so I would even contend with the pope on this subject. He said " you don't have to believe in God to goto heaven.. maybe he's just trying to get the atheist to "zipit" or maybe he's just referring to that scripture that says that for him who hears my words but dose not keep them there is no judge.. however if your just going to make a mockery out of the bible scriptures you are CLEARLY in the wrong and that's what I see is a mockery.. your not trying to shead light your just trying to over ride
my psalm 76 post and that just leads people away from the truth down your dark path of highway 61.. I'm not upset just a little disheartened..

OK, whatever works for you. But keep in mind this is all going on in your head, just your head, not mine or anybody else. And until you've conquered your demons you've got no business telling anyone else what they should do, say, or think.

well realize that with out debate I have no way of seeing my error flaw or as you call demon.. and If you don't at least try to see things my way then I'll never have that "mirror" into my mind that tells me when I make a mistake.. yes I have a therapist but nothing can compete with all the knowledge I find by ""interacting"" with allegedly (wink) sane people..

thank you for understanding...

Welcome back, JB. I'm glad you got your medical situation under control. You are clearly doing much better.

(Punctuation added by me)

Have you considered the possibility that the hallucinations are neither from God or Satan? That they are just hallucinations?

I have partial temporal lobe seizures myself, that can sometimes give me auditory hallucinations, but I know that they are not from any good or evil power. One way I know this is that medication can control and even stop the hallucinations, and a supernatural spirit wouldn't be very powerful if all it took to stop them was a little pill, you know? So they must be nothing more than neurons misfiring in my brain, and not caused by any higher power, either good or evil.

but when this "intentity" tells me I am going to start a ministry to "save souls" I have to question the logic behind the "intentity"... and when I have a vision of the pope saying "noone will ever forgive you" I have to question my own logic.. It is not unheard of for the spirit to manifest in ones psycheicic and when I have a vision of Perry Stone saying "It's only in your head" I realize that the illness is minor compared to the power of the spirit... so what I've decided to do is just keep testing the waters and do my best in every situation to "do the right thing"...

It's a good idea to do the right thing, and always question your logic.

Remember that God does not reveal himself, by definition. If everyone had a spirit speaking directly to him or her, then there would be no need for faith. So therefore if you hear a clear message of any kind, good or bad, you must assume it is part of the illness.

Part of doing the right thing is not telling other people what's the right thing for them.

Griff wasn't mocking the bible, Bob Dylan was, and rightly so. I respect your beliefs, but I don't share them. I don't believe in a God that condones murder, which is the God depicted in the bible (see Murder In The Bible).

Further, I no longer believe in organized religion, or the bible. I do believe in God, or rather, my concept of God; and my God doesn't condone cold-blooded murder for no logical reason, nor does He interfere in the affairs of mortals unless He deems it absolutely necessary....He wants us to solve our own problems.

God's greatest gift to all creatures, great and small is Free Will.

yes FREE WILL.. the bible nor the ((God of Israel)) the God of the Bible condone's murder.. ten comandmendths and God dose reveal himself through dreams.. he always has always will the shear fact that he's God means that he can do what ever he wants.. haveing faith in this God means we trust he will do us no harm.. yes I have to assume that most of what my dreams are, are part of an illness but only because the doctors got to me before a chaltholic preist did... if I were educated in the knowledge of the spirit and the solid truth behind the bible I would not have to write half the stuff off as skitzofriena I would have a biblical deffenintion for it. And what you are refering to is God teaching cave men to obey.. I HOPE we are past that..

I'm refering to nothing! Attempting to put words in my mouth is NOT AN OPTION, you fanatical God-fearing freak! Ya' know, yer really pushing me toward full Agnosticism!

your right but I have every right to be one and that dosen't make me psycho just becasue I am.. I am sorry for pushing you to the limits of your "cave man science" hehe but hey you just pushed back and thats a good thing in my book.. seems to me we are maeking progress and atleast I am learning.. think of it this way if we were in a foreign country (other than America) we could be beheaded for what we believe, and that would be a true tradgey...

:lol: I don't believe this. I insult you, and you don't get mad. Yer a real piece of work.

Screw that, my god, and his posse, riding fire breathing horses and carrying diamond swords, will kick your god's wimpy ass.http://cellar.org/2012/bwekk.gif

Seriously though... JB, if you want to be a Christian, the first thing you gotta do in ditch the old testament. It's a collection of Jewish history and folklore that doesn't pertain to Jesus.

Jesus brought a whole new ball game. Ten commandments are out, replaced with, "Love thy neighbor as thyself". That's the whole ball of wax if you want to be a follower of Christ's teachings... at least the teachings that were passed down to us. He might have said eat pizza, we'll never know.

But following that single commandment you can't go wrong. Religion is the relationship between you and your god, nobody else.

You might piss off a whole lot of people who'll call you a heretic, while claiming they're real Christians... but they're full of shit.

yes I agree however there are some very wonderful lessons we can learn from the old testiment that realate forward to the new testiment.. such as the predictions of Christ Comming and the Second Comming of Jesus could you imagine a school where history was not taught.. we would have no recallection of things like the civil war and we would never learn those valuable lessons in war tactics... for instance we would never know that linkon wanted us to "preserve the union".

OK, there are things to be learned from most any book, especially children's books. But all you have to know is, "Love thy neighbor as thyself", and keep in mind the old testament is a history reference not an instruction manual.

If it were, we'd be Jews and Jesus wouldn't have been necessary. ;)

Jesus was Jewish, allegedly.

Yes, but he tried to reform them because they were taking the old testament too seriously and got his ass in trouble. They did everything but sew his foreskin back on.

Acknowledged.

There are actually rather a lot of countries in the world where you wouldn't be beheaded for what you believe.

... and you would only be beheaded in highly religious societies/countries.

Pretty sure it was FSM who said Eat Pizza. Or Marie Antoinette.

Speaking of Madam Antoinette, I just learned an interesting thing about the whole "Let them eat cake" story.

This historian was arguing that "cake" did not mean pastry as we think of it, but what was colloquially referred to as cake back then, which was the clumpy black shit that poor people cleaned out of chimneys. (This is where we get the phase about something being "really caked on" a surface.) So it wasn't in fact a case of a clueless aristocrat who had no idea what it's like to be without money, as people tend to interpret the story today, but rather a cruel and uncaring aristocrat who thought the poor's suffering deserved a good pun.

fobble, I am disappoint.

or this interesting article with footnotes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake
that points to a similar statement made by a 3rd century Chinese emperor.

I'm hungry.

Meh, better than yellowcake. :cool:

And way better than urinal cake.

Nowhere near as nice as Pontefract cake though*



* I like them now. I was dismayed by them as a child.

why call saul??