I Think It Is Time We Got Involved.
 

I just read a news story that just pissed me off. It seems that the Cops can now down load your mobile devices in the field. It is buried in the link, but some cops in Maryland just got these devices. I am going to stop carrying my cell phone. FUCK THE PIGS!!!
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/42/4259.asp

Someone got the story wrong, I'm sure.

We were required to have a search warrant to download data. I can't envision a traffic officer downloading data. I think the reporter got it wrong

It's not an error. Some agencies/jurisdictions, are doing this now. They can't monitor your content, but they can get WHO you called, WHEN you called, and the NUMBER you called - no warrant required. This is "metadata", and it's the same thing the NSA is getting on all of us.

"Your metadata is now my data" Say hello to "1984" :mad:

The Patriot act and others like it, have substantially broadened the scope of legal intrusion by the gov't, into our lives.

WAKE UP, PEOPLE! We need to repeal most, if not all, of the provisions in these laws. Conservatives and Libertarians - hell, everyone concerned with individual liberty, have been talking about this for years already.

:lol:

I have heard dozens upon dozens of people complain about the Patriot Act, and not one of them has been conservative.

One of my biggest disappointments with Obama is that he kept the Patriot Act and keeps the NSA bullshit going.

Not-On-My-Watch is a powerful political argument.

I don't have a problem if they're busting people who cause accidents 'cause they're screwing around with their cell phones. The guy who totaled my 2 week old car was fucking with his phone. It was my word against his. I should've sued his cocky ass.

So leave your phones at home! All the better for the other drivers on the road.

I'm really sure this story is bullshit

I hope so.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-justices-rej...--finance.html
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court said on Monday it would not review a ruling by a secretive intelligence court that authorized government access to millions of Verizon Communications Inc (VZ.N) phone-call records.

Why? The law is in place to direct camera revenue to limited areas, and it fits right in with the militarization of police forces around the country.

I think fargon misinterpreted, to mean every cop will be doing this, but it continues...
Bold mine.

Keep in mind, the cop on the "beat" doesn't need any high tech bullshit to kick the shit out of you and throw your ass in jail for obstruction, resisting, or looking suspicious.

I didn't expect this level of outrage-able news would come as an aside in this small source.

Well, if the cops are going to pull this shit during routine traffic stops, they're going to get reined in by the courts quick enough. On the other hand, someone could truly consent to a search of their phone to prove their own innocence. In that case, getting it done by a certified device, instead of a human cop, would be a good thing.

http://www.cellebrite.com/mobile-ret...llebrite-touch

America is dying. Quickly.

Paraphrasing some comedian:

Here is another story that upset me, and Cops wonder why they are hated.
http://gawker.com/dad-arrested-for-c...ick-1467819079

Deep in the heart of Texas
 

I can't say what I want to say because Big Brother is watching.

That was a school resource officer enforcing a school policy. SRO's essentially enforce school policies and provide security for schools. When you are on school property, you lose many of your rights concerning search and seizure, etc. It is the same thing as when you enter a military post. Have you ever taken the time to read the warning at the gate of what rights you surrender and that you are subject to arrest if you do not comply??

Another important point, SRO's salaries are paid through the Department of Education in response to school shootings. Their police powers come through an agreement with the law enforcement agency where the school is located. The local law enforcement agency has very little control over the actions of these officers. They essentially work for the school superintendent and school principal. BTW, their salaries are paid with Federal Grant money.

Bruce - You realize the local police were only assisting a Federal agency, the NHTA, in this incident. The NHTA provides large grants to local agencies to enforce DUI and Seatbelt enforcement. This includes paying the salaries of officers for enforcement, patrol cars, in car video cameras, intoxilyzers, etc. The local agency was likely caught in a situation that if they refused to help the NHTA, they would lose grant funding the next year.

I have first hand knowledge of the NHTA. Years ago I worked as a Metro DUI Officer (a 4 department task force) and our primary duties were to enforce DUI and safety restraint. Our results were submitted monthly to the NHTA through our State Grant Coordinator. Later as a police chief, I wrote grants to receive funds for officer salaries and equipment. Your agency's performance (stats) directly impacted how much funding your department received.

What I am trying to say is the blame should fall on the Federal Agency that makes state & local departments puppets.

It's bullshit "for the sake of the children". Oh, won't someone please think of the children. :rolleyes:

Private property? No, public property, who do you think paid for that fucking place. It's clearly a kidnapping, illegal restraint minors, by an asshole with a little authority. The only thing that should concern him is nobody takes the wrong kids.

He's being a dick because they're not kowtowing to the mighty Deputy Dawg. I've met dozens of these assholes who feel everyone must kiss their ass, because their whims trump the law, or anyone else's rights.

Down the road, he may meet George Zimmerman.

Bruce - how many years have you worked in law enforcement? You are making generalizing an entire profession based upon sensationalism in the media. Sure there are some bad apples, but that can be said about any profession.

I was merely pointing out that SRO's work for the school administrators and follow their rules.

fargo - you make so pretty demeaning comments. If someone is breaking into your home in the middle of the night are you going to call 911 and say fuck the pigs?

You have to have been a cop to make a judgment on cop behavior is a huge pile of steaming red herring bullshit.

Looked to me like rent-a-cop was making up his own rules.

Sensationalism in the media? Probably some, but more straight out reporting like most papers used to do.
But from personal experience. FBI, no problem. State Police, a few dickheads, but mostly square shooters. Local cops, they tend to go by department, if the top brass is cool, most of the cops under them will be. But other departments are rotten top down, constantly breaking the law, bullying people, and acting like Buford T Justice in the video.

The one big flaw with all cops, top to bottom, is their willingness to cover up for other cops, and even go so far as trying to justify it.

Who are you going to believe, his upstanding never-wrong police officer or your lying eyes and ears?:right:

OMG, what evil hath the Cellar wrought?;)

Why do kids need special checkout procedures? At what point were we at so much risk when we just walked home without any parents? Today, crime rates are even lower than back when it was safe to walk home. Why do so many parents wait at bus stops because their kids cannot walk 1000 feet from bus to home?

The entire thing is based on a completely unjustified fear. Then confrontational people make it a local gossip TV story. Why so much bureaucracy over how students walk out the building?

Why ? Because crime news is no longer local... crimes against children are nationally broadcast over and over and ...

Arm All The Children!!

I routinely carried a pocket knife to school. I usually had a shotgun or a .22 rifle in the rear window of my truck in high school. BTW, we got our licenses at age 15. Strange thing is we didn't have any mass shootings. I wonder why?

I think it is because the media has sensationalized school violence and the bullied or mentally ill see it as a chance to become "famous".

Because nobody had guns anywhere, then we did not have fist fights in school.

We know that the 1960s were more dangerous than streets and subways today. Those are facts and numbers. But a majority believe something else for one simple reason. They ignore numbers. And listen to liars who note trends without any numbers. Fear (emotion) works for the same reason why a majority *knew* smoking cigarettes increase health.

:lol2:

I feel like I've mentioned this here before, so forgive me if I have, but in 3rd grade, in Tuscon, Arizona in 1976, my friend brought a handgun to school for show and tell. I think it was a Luger.

The teacher asked to hold it in her desk for the day, but gave it to him for the show and tell portion so he could show it and tell about it.

He had found it in the desert, and his dad let him keep it. He told the story about how he fired it at a cactus one time, and when he went to look at the hole in the cactus, he saw a dead lizard behind the cactus that the bullet had also hit.

At the end of the day, the teacher gave him the gun back, and he went home. Maybe there were some phone calls that I wasn't aware of, but the boy was back in school the next day and seemed perfectly normal. No evidence that he had gotten in trouble.

A coincidence of NY Times news articles today and Glatt's post above.
...maybe a bit of "deeper thinking" is creeping into society at large


NY Times
JANE GROSS
12/3/13
Born of Grief, ‘Three Strikes’ Laws Are Being Rethought
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NY Times
LIZETTE ALVAREZ
December 2, 2013

Seeing the Toll, Schools Revise Zero Tolerance

YEARS ago I guess everyone who could afford a pocket knife, had one in school. I've carried my shot gun to school and left it in the principle's office. Then on school bus to spend the weekend with friend in the country. If you had a problem with someone, you carried it to the football field and sorted it out. No teachers involved. I've had to go get stitches afterwards. No 3 day pass or anything.

I guess I'm in the camp where assault isn't the answer to minor disagreements and children should not be carrying fucking guns everywhere.

And the beat goes on...
And of course...

I'm with Mary Adams. The DA didn't have to take the case on. And they are elected. Vote the fascists out.

Yeah, I was surprised to learn how much power DAs actually have in that regard. Just about any crime, they can simply choose not to prosecute and the whole thing disappears. Of course the fear of getting voted out is supposed to keep them in line, but if there's no big media coverage of a particular crime, it can be swept under the rug without too much hassle at all.

But DAs do need convictions to show they are earning they're keep, and if they offend the cops they won't get the cooperation/support they need to do that.

The DA has no business in this matter. It is a municipal court matter that will be prosecuted by the city prosecutor. The kids have the option to file a civil rights violation that would be investigated by the FBI, but it would more likely end up a civil suit

I'm confused, Sarge. Don't all the city prosecutors work for the DA's office?

District Attorneys prosecute felony cases that occur in their jurisdiction. Municipal Prosecutors handle misdemeanor cases in their jurisdiction. Justice Courts or County Courts, which use the County Prosecutor, handle misdemeanor cases generated by the sheriff's department, set bonds in felony cases unless it is one of the 5 heinous crimes which can result in the depth penalty or life in prison, and handle preliminary hearings for District Court.

To be charged by the District Attorney in a felony case, he can take a case directly to the grand jury and seek a secret indictment. That forgoes all of the pretrial hearings and takes the suspect directly to trial reducing the discovery time.

So to answer your question, a municipal prosecutor or county prosecutor can tell the DA to fuck off. Now it really gets interesting when we factor in the federal prosecutors and the duties of Federal magistrates, district judges, and circuit judges.

The whole problem in understanding in who does what can be boiled down to police dramas and that totally unrealistic piece of shit show CSI. Who has ever heard of a forensic investigator making arrests? A forensic investigator only collects and analyzes evidence. The results are given to the criminal investigators ( sworn and commissioned officers) who interpret the evidence and decide whom to arrest.

Whew! That felt good to get off of my chest

I'm afraid we have cultural differences. Maybe we didn't have school shootings back then because we settled problems with our fists. I was small and picked on till I stood up and knocked a kid out with my trombone case applied to his head.

As for guns, Addie has been shooting .22's since she was 4 yoa. Just a different culture

Nowadays, you would have gotten in just as much trouble as the bully. Maybe more, if the only thing the school employee saw was you hitting him, and none of the harassment leading up to it. Another side effect of zero tolerance.

Right, you were raised that way and so it is just fine with you, Q.E.D.

Who do these local prosecutors answer to? Are they elected or appointed? If appointed, are their bosses elected? Where does the public apply political pressure to get them reigned in?

We did not need fist fights. And, of course, never had guns. But then I grew up where virtually everyone went to college or something equivalent.

Closest we came to a fight was a football game where refs completely lost control. Made numerous bogus calls on both sides. It was the only game we lost. The coach ordered everyone to immediately sit on the bench so that no 'after game' confrontation could happen. Another reason why no one did something only lesser people do - fist fights. 'Powers that be' averted such low intelligence silliness before it could happen by using a fundamental management concept called "attitude and knowledge".

Unfortunately many go on as adults using same low life concepts; to advocate military actions as a solution for everything. Or need big guns because of threats that only exist in their fears.

Those fist fights illustrate people worried about being dissed (their ego) rather then dealing facts and reality. The most responsible also ask "what does he see; why is he angry." Then fists and guns become unnecessary.

Every time I read this thread title, it reminds me of this commercial.

It is caused a cultural norm. Were you raised in a rural or urban environment? Have you ever been hunting? Have you ever been a knock down kick ass fight where it didn't matter if you won or loss? What matter was you stood your ground.

What makes your thoughts or beliefs on this matter correct?

City prosecutors are hired by the city. County prosecutors are an elected position. District Attorneys are elected. All Federal prosecutors are appointed, except for assistants who are hired through civil service

Tw, I do believe you are a sheep. Have you ever physically defended anything? Have you ever defended your country from enemies, both foreign and domestic? I envision you as a timid little engineer who likes to Monday morning quarterback and try to talk down the people who have to make decisions in a split second.

You are a sad little man

Ya! Sarge.

Disarming big dics with reasoning and logic is easy when an ego is not attached to every decision. Standing your ground means an ego is more important than adult thought. Ego comes from a brain that children use. Intelligent thought comes later in brain development. Many adults use a childhood brain to prove their manliness with fists. Adults eventually form a part of the brain that discovers the stupidity of ego.

Fools and the dumbest among us think fisticuffs defend a nation. They even forget that the world's strongest nations got that way by having less military. They are so attached to a child's brain as to even prove their manliness with insults.

The military spends so much time teaching discipline. Otherwise too many children in adult bodies would entertain their ego rather than be professional.

Unfortunately this may be too cerebral. Research in adolescent development notes some adults never fully develop a pre-frontal cortex. Then ego is more important than a grasp of reality. Only children (ie George Zimmerman) need to 'stand their ground'.

IDK, PROGRESS?

Cultural norms are bullshit groupthink, proof of nothing. Slavery was a cultural norm.

The idea that might makes right is barbaric and sad. Would you apply that method between an 18 year old and a 70 year old? Would you apply it between an 18 year old in good condition and an 18 year old paraplegic? Would you apply it between a man and a woman? Well why not?

People who fight should be charged with crime and jailed. One can be hurt, paralyzed or killed in a fight. What more do you need to know? We're not fucking cavemen any more!

Well one of us isn't.

I went to a high school like what Sarge remembers. I think that mindset is still in play there as there was recently another gay teen suicide. There is nothing brave or romantic about teen violence.

no fuck the phone

That's not what phone sex means.

Can't be that easy, Trayvon Martin couldn't do it.

Like Trayvon Martin used his fists.

Many, both nationally and internationally, believe Trayvon Martin was justifiably defending his rights in this nation by perpetrating violence.

Like Trayvon Martin engaging someone with fists knowing they could have a gun.

Just sayin', since you've dropped a name.

But, but, it's so easy a caveman could do it!

Think of the cavechildren.

Reality says Trayvon Martin was not armed to the teeth and therefore was not trolling for trouble. But an adult who is still a child did. No wonder Zimmerman even beat up girlfriends. After all, his manliness was at stake. His ego even justified that attack and his need for guns.

Unfortunately those same type people also want to solve problems with immediate and illogical military deployments (ie Vietnam, Mission Accomplished, Syria). Unfortunately those same type people created our recent economic malaise using soundbyte reasoning rather than learn from history. Plenty of Zimmermans exist out there justifying violence, destruction, their need for 155 mm howitzers, and even fist fights.