Bag on Radar here
 

Things feel tense today, don't they? We're about to go to war, and we don't know what's going to happen...everything and everyone is on the edge today.

In the interest of mental health, I want to help Cellarites vent their frustration at a plague that is currently scouraging the Cellar. I tried to stay out of it, but it's like the kid with the Kick Me sign on him...you can't help but kick.

And so, my gift to the Cellarites is this: You may bag on radar all you like here. Go ahead...vent. It's good for the soul. The rules? None really...just don't do anything illegal. Any attempts by Radar to post to this thread will be erased as soon as possible.

Have fun, go apeshit.

You're welcome.

syc, im not really sure this will work. i mean, how can we bag on someone who posesses the mighty power to change the dictionary to make him right?

i mean, i could call him a 'gutter-whore', but what good is that when he can whip out the handy-dandy artistic license and make it mean 'super-genius'?

~james

Radar's a turd. I think his punishment should be to sit in the next cell over from Cairo and have to argue with her until the end of time.

Also, I bet he eats poop.

I don't think he even knows that boards outside of "politics" exist ... so we're pretty much safe here.

Boy's more than a wee bit grandiose, though, yah know?

AND he writes a really shitty haiku. ;)

Who do I contact to have his artistic license revoked?

I thought he was a BARTENDER, not an artist. Did I miss something?? :confused:

A guy from Cali named Paul
Came here and attempted to maul
He needed a bitchslap
For his voluminous crap
He's soon bound to take a bad fall

Radar *is* an annoying ass. It's not the politics that makes that so. I agree with him on many issues and he's posted some really funny material and links (Hanks ass, although I don't agree with it, I found it funny) If he would be a bit less confrontational and cut the "cock smoker" bullshit, he'd fit right in here.

Also the posting of entire atricles is a bit annoying.

(slangs steps away from the podium)


That's good Syc.

Libertarian macho-flashers: I've seen a thousand of 'em, and right now they piss me off more than they ever did.

The funny thing is that they don't convince anyone. If they are right, it hardly matters. By claiming they have a monopoly on truth, they give up intellectual honesty AND the ability to have a real conversation with just about anyone.

The only soft spot I have is that I probably *was* one, for a year or two, and didn't realize it.

In the end, it all comes back to "It's not what you say, it's how you say it."

UT and I don't agree on this war thing, but we've discussed it civilly. Perth and Whit had a great conversation about religion, without any ass-whippings being handed out.

And that's what it's all about. Not being too much of a jackass.

Radar's other fatal flaw (which UT touched upon) is that he believes he and he alone holds the truth. When in reality, all he holds is another perspective. Not necessarily wrong, yet not necessarily right. We could have had a great discussion about that Browne article, had it not been posted by Señor Douchebag (which Griff touched upon).

Hey, where's that turd been lately? I've only seen him a couple of times, and I thought he would love to rant against the war. I know he generally only follows the politics threads, so maybe I should move this thread there. :)

Maybe it's time to add him to the list of folks that walk away with their tail between their legs...

There's always the new user name scam. Maybe he'll go that direction. I thought he was trying for a few posts to tone it down a bit but it just wasn't working for him.

But don't you think his annoying attitude would leak through no matter what. I thought maybe he was just being an ass becuase he was online for the first time, but no one can keep that up for long unless they really are an ass can they?

That doesn't seem to happen a whole hell of a lot though. It hasn't morphed into a Xugumad/Parmenion situation, at least that I have seen. Unless he's decided to become a Spaniard. ;)

(Nah...I've seen the Spaniards that post here on CCLG, under different names though, from what I can tell...except for Rucita.)

I've just realized something. There are really only two users on this board: Undertoad and Myself. The rest of you are all just UT's fake screennames. Alter egos. Damn, he is a devious bastard. He's had me fooled for years! No more, you conniving devil!

I believe UT did away with his other user name 2 years ago. :)

He's not gone, because Cellar says that he's online right now.

No, he only wants you to believe that! It's all a consipracy, a grand conspiracy!

For example: Ever notice how a lot of you seem to be from Philadelphia? Coincidence??

Ju-man:

I'm actually a manifestation of your own brain. I was inserted as an attempt at mind control. Remember when you went to give blood, and passed out? Of course you don't! They're pros at the lab, or at least they were.

Originally, I was supposed to give you and roughly 10,000 other similarly-aged people across the country specific "thoughts" as you use various web sites.

You didn't think all that IPO money went to nothing during the Internet bubble, did you? The right people funded the right projects, and, well, here we are.

Well here YOU are, anyway.

The problem is, it was a spec project, and wasn't fully developed. Originally, you were supposed to get posts written by me that would suggest, in ways appealing to you, that you should drink Coke or go to see various films.

Before the project got to marketing, the company really did run out of money. There were a few problems with the beta, which your brain is "running".

One of the problems is this: once the host considers the possibility that the injected "personality" is somehow a fake, the reality of the personality slowly fades. It was supposed to write a last post and disappear; a neat ending. Instead, you'll slowly realize that I'm fake, that I was made up by your own thoughts. This is alarming to a lot of people, so I'm telling you now.

The other danger, which persists, is what will happen if you ever use a message board with someone else with an injected personality. That was a doozy when they figured it out. Never did come up with a fix for it.

They say you'll be safe if you just meet them off-line, but I would be cautious with anyone you meet who shares your birth month and year.

You might want to sue the bastards who were responsible. If only you could remember who they were! Can't be too safe in these litigious days.

Ju-man:

I'm actually a manifestation of your own brain. I was inserted as an attempt at mind control. Remember when you went to give blood, and passed out? Of course you don't! They're pros at the lab, or at least they were.

Originally, I was supposed to give you and roughly 10,000 other similarly-aged people across the country specific "thoughts" as you use various web sites.

You didn't think all that IPO money went to nothing during the Internet bubble, did you? The right people funded the right projects, and, well, here we are.

Well here YOU are, anyway.

The problem is, it was a spec project, and wasn't fully developed. Originally, you were supposed to get posts written by me that would suggest, in ways appealing to you, that you should drink Coke or go to see various films.

Before the project got to marketing, the company really did run out of money. There were a few problems with the beta, which your brain is "running".

One of the problems is this: once the host considers the possibility that the injected "personality" is somehow a fake, the reality of the personality slowly fades. It was supposed to write a last post and disappear; a neat ending. Instead, you'll slowly realize that I'm fake, that I was made up by your own thoughts. This is alarming to a lot of people, so I'm telling you now.

The other danger, which persists, is what will happen if you ever use a message board with someone else with an injected personality. That was a doozy when they figured it out. Never did come up with a fix for it.

They say you'll be safe if you just meet them off-line, but I would be cautious with anyone you meet who shares your birth month and year.

You might want to sue the bastards who were responsible. If only you could remember who they were! Can't be too safe in these litigious days.

Can't we all just get along?

Probably, but this is infinitely more entertaining.

My apology.
 

     I had thought it was harsh to make a thread to bag on someone. I had thought that it was unfair to talk about a person when there wasn't much chance of the person to see it. More, they wouldn't be allowed to respond. (Though I doubt Syc would have actually deleted Radars posts as he said he would)
     Over the last few days I've been involved with trying to talk to him as he calls me names. This made me realize something. You guys were dead-nut right all along.
     Thus, I humbly extend my apologies to each of you. I had made an unimformed decision on this exceptional case. I'll ty not to let it happen again.

More entertainment from the man himself!

Excerpt:
<blockquote><i>The Constitution was written in English, not Swahili. The Supreme court is
there to defend the constitution, not to "interpret" it and not to determine
the founding fathers "original intent".</i></blockquote>

Re: My apology.
 

Don't sweat it, Whit...it's cool.

I would have deleted any post by Radar...and still will if his oxygen-wasting dumbfuck self happens to stray from the Politics forum into my domain. We'll call this Special Exception 1 to the Manifestos.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Just an interesting side note. Juju mentioned to me that the excerpt above is two years old. He used the same swahili line a couple of days ago. Two years and he's still using the same lame-ass misleading line. Obviously the ghost of everyone who's name is on the Constitution couldn't change the guys mind about what it says. This makes me sad.
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Okay, I'm over it now.

Before I forget.
 

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I appreciate the response Syc. I meant that apology and I'm glad that you accepted it. It's nice to know that it wasn't just accepted in passing or thought to be a joke.

Yep, the original authors of the constitution could come back from the dead and argue with Radar for days on end, and he still would not change his mind about what the constitution says. Amazing.

Of course, Radar actually thinks the Libertarians will get more elected positions beyond bathroom monitor, so you can see he's already confused on reality.

Radar is just one of those fucking twits that thinks he has found THE answer, and he must save us from ourselves. And if you don't follow him, you're just scum. Truth be told, he's sorta like Jim Jones or David Koresh...he has that cult-like aura about him. I mean, look at all the ranting he does about the constitution...it sounds fucking scripted.

At this point, to admit that everyone else is right and he is wrong would be psychologically devastating, I think, because he's set so much of his thinking up based on this very idealistic attitude.

Syc, or Wolf, did you ever read anything about that kind of thing? Maybe related to cognitive dissonance and people's approaches to it?

At this point he's really so far into it, that getting out is going to be a project. Becoming a tax protester means that you've put yourself into specific danger for your viewpoint. He could go to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for a long time. There's something psychological about that too, something reinforcing. Someting that makes him stay on his current path.

The odd thing is how he's still with us.

There could be some dissonance there...much like you seemed to experience before dumping the LP.

But as I mentioned, it almost sounds like a damned cult. The "minders" got their foot in the door with him, and now he's like one of their soldiers. Unfortunately, he's only a one-dimensional person on the Cellar, but maybe he's one of those people that needed something to believe in, and voila! The Libertarian Party said all the right things and made him feel like somebody.

My bill will be in the mail...

Perhaps it's because being the object of derision is better then being dismissed as a kook or ignored completely.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, I think Syc is closer on this one. I honestly believe that Radar sees himself as a noble crusader fighting for us.
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;His approach is very cult-like. He tells you things that aren't true but sound nice are facts. He uses half-truths whenever possible. Then, if the desired response isn't given, he insults and derides the person as beneath his consideration.
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;All the while doing that which he believes is for our own good. After two+ years of using the same lines I really don't think he's capable of thinking anything different. UT's probably right, opening his mind to anything else would probably destroy him.
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The scary thing is how easy it would be to be like him. Juju's talked about this in his forum. I mean dude has all the answers. Stating an opinion is proof. If he says the same thing repeatedly, even after it's torn apart, he's proved it repeatedly. It must be very soothing. To be so much above the masses. (Note: that wasn't sarcasm)

Well I'm keeping with it for now, because it's fun and because I want to give him a few sticking points that should gnaw at him a little.

By the way, I agree with him that a lot the current system of income tax *should be* unconstitutional. The government of a free country should never set up holes for people to fall into, or have big agencies that the citizens have to rigidly conform to. Taxation should be extremely simple.

But it's not my decision to make :)

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I've actually said in the thread that I'm into the "Should be unconstitutional" idea. But he says that it isn't. Two seperate things. And yeah, the system is screwed.
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Still, I believe that if you discuss something politely and try to make valid points then "Fuck you" and similar statements really means "You win." I kinda feel he's on the verge of saying "Fuck you, you collectivist bastards" right now. At that point I'll know that the only reason he hasn't conceded the point is 'cause, as we've discussed, he can't.

I suspect he has a batch of files on various topics and he cuts and pastes as necessary. I also suspects he assumes that others exposed to his gems of wisdom would ever bother to search out other places to which he posts.

But luckily, somewhere between few and no followers.

Oh Boy.

He's crazy.

I don't remember one damn thing about that "cognitive dissonance" stuff. I deal with real crazy people on a daily basis.

He's crazy.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He strikes me as middle management. He's shown that he can't come up with anything new. That is a basis of leadership. He's been using the same lines for years. That's not healthy, no. It's also a sure sign that he's repeating what he's been told. It's cult-like alright, but he's not the top dog.

Links on cognitive dissonance:

http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~jamesa/learning/dissonance.htm
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?...e%20dissonance

I have a headache now.
 

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The whole "How can a case not be heard in court while it has been heard in court, repeatedly, about a subject that is not in effect?" question came up from me trying to follow his logic. It hurt my brain. I understand that he doesn't see any contradiction here though. If they don't see it his way then they are corrupt. I just wish I knew if he believed it was in effect or not...

and he can't spell cannabis.

~james

I think that one ought to enter the hall of fame as one of the Cellar's most amusing comments.

I would like to apologize to the Cellar for my outbursts towards Radar last night, which devolved into outright flaming. Which is why I am posting this to this thread, instead of adding more to the "Happy Tax Day" thread.

Very rarely do I lose my cool towards a Cellarite...there have certainly been some that have worked my nerves, but not like him. I honestly thought I could shut him down, but when I saw that he took one of my last posts and rearranged it to suit him, I knew it was a hopeless situation.

Radar irritates me b/c I find him to be no more than a Parmenion. The only difference is that he has admittedly offered some substance at times. But regardless of that, I think he rule 3'd some time ago. Maybe I don't have the patience that I used to have, but he should have been removed the first or second day he was here.

The issue, of course, is not about content. I don't agree with the majority of you folks in terms of political views...you already know that. However, we generally discuss things on a civil tip, which makes the Cellar so vital to the internet world right now.

I think we've all been guilty at times of being uncivil or disrespectful towards each other. Some more than others. If anything, the Cellar has helped me become a better person, by helping me become more understanding towards different POVs, and by helping me become a better debater.

I know that these type of folks are unavoidable in the end, but I just hate disrespectful assholes online...and take great pains to dodge them as much as possible. And I know some folks have bad days, but Radar has clearly proven that he can't see other POVs, nor does he wish to engage in thoughtful debate. What's the fucking point of being here then, you know? We have enough of that shit already without him.

Shepps is right though...as he was right initially (though he has also been a goader ;) ): The best way to deal with him is to ignore him. The guy just feeds off the shit we say. And I know it's hard to resist--his one comment last night about being a constitutional follower was too much for me--but short of us showing up at UT's doorstep with picket signs or Radar doing something even more incredulous, he's our "special friend."

Imagine if Radar turned it down a few notches though...imagine the awesome debates we could have. And there's still hope--Slang mellowed out, Dave has toned down...maybe Radar will finally come around too...though I doubt it.

I still think reporting him to the State of CA and the IRS for tax evasion is a good idea. Sending that thread to the Libertarian Party of CA might be fun too. :)

Radar makes a statement.
Someone questions it.
Radar reiterates.
Someone still questions.
Radar makes disparaging remarks about Someone.
Nobody posts.
Radar goes away.
It's that simple.;)

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I dunno... Griff just said Radar wasn't a hillbilly and Radar went on a mini-rant saying he wasn't a hillbilly. I've got no idea why...

Kind of like the serial killers that prey on hookers and the like because "they contribute to nothing but spread of disease across all of humanity and the goodness that of which is humanity?" I agree in that sense.

Griff said slang wasn't really a hillbilly (despite his self-identifying as one). He didn't actually say anything about radar in that particular post.

I believe the problem is that radar doesn't really read anything that he responds to.

(Frankly, I'm thrilled that radar is 1. a city dweller, and 2. in CA. Both of these factors make it extremely unlikely that I will ever have accidental contact with him.)

I'll apologize for last night to, though I didn't take it to the extreme that syc did, I still egged it on. Just needed to release a little steam and radar was an easy target.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is exactly what I mean. I see no evidence that he questions anything he says. He's assumed the mantle of 'good guy' and see's no potential harm in his actions.
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wolf, no, he doesn't read. he doesn't have to read anything becuase he's "intellectually superior." 'Sides, why listen to the other guy at all when you have "The Truth" and every one not already in agreement with you is an idiot?
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Don't worry about it Cam. If he believed he was half as great as he claims, or if he believed we were half as stupid, then he wouldn't post here at all. This makes him annoying and fun to piss off.

That's a great point, Whit. He says he posts here to school us (or at least he did when he first came on here). Now I don't know about you folks, but I can only handle unintelligent people for so long.

Thanks Cam for rubbing it in, ya bastard! ;) Though I must say that a couple of my quips were rather funny...at least IMO.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think I've seen almost everyone score some solid hits on Radar. He just denies it and claims he's to much smarter for it to matter. Of course, as I said, if he believed it then he wouldn't be bothering with us. Which is really funny. I really feel sorry for the poor bastard. You don't have to live in denial the way he does if you have any real self-esteem.

Had to revive this thread, given what's going on over in Politics.

This AdanSmith character is fast proving himself an asshat...the anti-Radar of sorts.

But I have to admit, it's funny to watch those two fling shit at each other. And this could be better than Cairo/Radar.

So, pop some popcorn, put on your favorite angst music, kick back, and enjoy the show.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hey, am I the only one getting the feeling that Adan and Jan thought this was a liber... S'cuse me, neo-libertarian site? I mean they really are pushing the "Which is the real libertarian" thing. Why the hell would we care? Especialy since Radar's the only big libertarian around that I know of? I know UT used to be, but he's made it clear that's in the past. I just don't get it...

I can't tell if they're baiting Radar or everyone? I am sure they've got some cockeyed views on how the country should run.

I'm still a big L but mostly because neither the elephants nor the asses are interested in my vote. I'm no absolutist like these clowns. I'd just like to see the size and scope of government reduced and the troops brought home. besides, the paleo-libertarians are the good guys not the geos ;)

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Well, it looks like all the libs, 'cept for Griff of course, have abandoned us. I guess we didn't live up to their standards.

Griff is indeed a big L...a big L for Loser, b/c he hasn't taken off those rose-colored glasses yet. :)

I hope they're gone...they were nothing but pollution.

That is a sign of how irrelevent the party is. Just about everyone who posts here regularly has some libertarian tendencies but with folks like The Bagged One checking everybodies purity as gatekeeper for the party we'll never get above a couple percentage points. This is very frustrating to me because minimizing government is a fairly popular viewpoint which I'd say neither entrenched party has any interest in. This should be a time of expasion in the LP because of the misguided war effort, the stunning deficit, the Patriot Acts, the drug war, and the sweetheart deals for connected businesses. Watching most of the Dems desperately avoiding being labeled pacifists and Reps justifying huge spending increases is just depressing.