Cellar cloud move
 

OK we are going to move into the cloud!

The actual Cellar will soon move into a virtual server, located in a data center in Newark, NJ.

You may not even notice when it happens

It's ready to go now, but such a scary thing. The actual change is, I close the current place, copy the database to the new place, change the DNS to point to the new place, and in an hour everybody is up and running in the new place.

I'm thinking Saturday afternoon Eastern time

Will it be damp?

As damp as the cellar?

Given the fog here for the last few weeks, I'll be right at home living in a cloud.

Security? (I know this is a stupid question and I apologize in advance - this is my anxiety talking)

I'm curious. How big is the Cellar? If it were to be archived, how much space would it take up?

A cellar in the clouds. God's basement. Or the attic of The Beast

Security is identical on and off the cloud.

Insiders! If you want to see how fast your connection to it is, and I think it should be the same for everyone, you can go to www2.cellar.0rg which right now is a copy of the Cellar as it was last night. Don't log in or post, that is just a test.

Size: the code and all the IotDs take up about a gig. The messages and accounts take up 4 gigs.

Seems faster. I went to one of the image threads and it loaded instantly.

And attachments? They must take up a lot of space?

Edit: Actually, maybe not. "You are currently using 189.27 MB to store 2,648 uploaded attachments." I feel like I am a fairly heavy user of attachments here. So I can see my attachments fitting in that 4 GB.

I hope it is actually faster, that would be cool - if it is, it's the SSDs it will run on, not the Internets connection which should be about the same.

I mean here we are on the east coast, DC to Newark is Leeds to London... the ping to that server is like 15ms. It might as well be a local system at this point.

Uh sorry for all this techie-spk

But as long as we're lookin', if you comprende, you could ping cellar.org and then ping www2.cellar.org and tell me what you see. For me, cellar.org is around 28ms, www2 is like 18ms...

how to ping a website

mine's avg 26 vs 23. www2 is faster

Are we on cloud 9?

I am all ways on cloud 9.

I'm always overcast.

Why? #justcurious

How to operate a server on the Internet? From the beginning, the usual way has been to buy a computer and put it in an expensive data center where you rent space.

Now, people set up a bunch of computers in the data center and they rent you time on them. It's a cheaper way to do it in a lot of cases; you own less of the infrastructure, but do you really need to? When we were doing a ton of traffic (when IotD was big and Facebook was small), we needed that, but now we don't. So we'll save money, save a little effort and apparently get a server that's avg 5ms faster to the net as well.

5 milliseconds here, 5 milliseconds there, it adds up

not really

:cool:

Access speed will be less nebulous which will be lightning the burden for thUndertoad. Plus the silver lining means Big Sarge won't need his tin foil hat.

this is why no more tip jar then?

Yes, the remaining costs are small enough so's I can handle them. If we ever come up with a project that needs money to do and makes sense for everyone, we could bring it back for that.

Are smoking and pets allowed?

and will the Tag Cloud be called just Tag or Tag Cloud Cloud?

I prolly won't notice...

...I'm in the clouds most of the time anyway.:bong::beer:

You guys are clouding the issue. thUndertoad won't know weather there are questions to answer as he tries to maintain the Stratus quo.

Please check in with any problem that you may be having.

ALL THE THREADS I STARTED ARE GONE!

So, working as planned then.










:D

Can we call this the Ascension of the Cellar?

I think we've just been transported.

Attachment 54170

It's all good @ my end.

Newark?

Ok...

That's from the game! I had that game!

Brilliant, terrorists would never pick Newark. :headshake

Rly?

Well, who would?

Besides UT, I mean...

One observation for me after the move:

Previously, in Tapatalk, I was unable to load the word association thread, but now I can.

I don't know why that is but I'm pleased with the outcome

So far, there's only one issue I know of:

The cookies stopped working

I think a reboot might fix that, but people are online, a reboot takes like 3 minutes...

So reboot.

(I'm going to bed now anyway.)

It's not worth cookies. I'll get it next time

http://cellar.org/2015/cellarnodeearlytraffic.jpg

For the first time, it's possible to isolate and graph only Cellar-related internet traffic. The blue is stuff being uploaded. The first peak is the entire site and database being uploaded. The second one is just the database. The third is a small backup.

The green is people browsing and getting images and stuff. This first week of traffic shows that the estimates were about right. We can't fill the green part to the top, maybe to about the 2.0 line. Point is, we do have room to grow under this plan.

The first green bump: I had the Cellar answering not just to cellar.org, but also to the system's raw IP address. This caused Bing to decide it was an entirely new site on the Internets, and start collecting it and indexing it. That bump is the traffic that resulted. I figured out what was going on and shut it down.

Stuff like that happens; it's hard to tell whether someone is a web indexer, or is maliciously crushing your website. That bandwidth has to be paid for, too. Well in this case, it's not that bad. Fits under the plan. But it can be really bad.

Know what has two thumbs and never reads the cookies anyway?

This guy.

... what cookies? Did I mention the awesome oatmeal raisin cookies my son and I made?

I just hit the eat a cookie button out of curiosity.
:haha:

You'll never notice the difference.

http://cellar.org/2015/spamattack.jpg

It looked like a denial-of-service attack last night.

This was 20 different IP addresses hitting every single link on the Cellar last night in various patterns. After two hours, the new cloud provider's bots noticed the spike and alerted me to it.

We had these attacks before, but after the move I hadn't blocked the IP addresses that are responsible for it. You can see how, at the end, it doesn't suddenly stop - it trails off. That's me, blocking various sets of addresses until I got them all.

This one three hour attack led to more bandwidth use than about 4 days of everyone just generally Cellarizing. It's not big deal because the capacity to handle it is built in.

However, the good news is that the forum remained responsive, even as the system used all its resources to produce and deliver 200,000 Cellar hits over the space of two hours.

In comparison, during the 20:00 hour there were 3500 hits delivered...

So you had to go in and fix it at 11PM last night? What a pain in the ass.

Thank you.

Is there something tangible to be gained by the attackers; or, is it just for shits and grins?

Well, "go in" means I had to stop playing Rocket League and ssh to the server and figure it out. So that was a pain in the ass, but now, I consider it professional experience. Running Cellar servers has kept me fresh in certain areas of knowledge and it's been a real benefit at my new gig.

The whole move has been like that; it forces me to stay on my toes. In fact the whole Cellar lifetime has been like that, a hobby that pays back a little. It's rare I think. Playing bass has never helped me professionally. That I know of.

As for why they do it - impossible to know! The attacks started a few months ago I think. We probably have enemies. Or maybe I do. Can't tell.

It's easy enough to create code that will harass a website by merely overloading it or confusing its logging. This sort of thing happens all the time.

Probably somebody I pissed off.

Sharpened your pro skills? Your welcome. :haha:

For some reason, the idea of Lamplighter secretly being a sophisticated technological anarchist running a darkened room full of hackers amuses me greatly.

But honestly, I would have thought DDoS attacks were always from overseas, and were basically practice runs for their attempts to bring down really big sites for ransom.

These are coming from server co-location type places in the US. But it could just as easily be foreign Asian to begin with, and proxied somehow through these other places, so you never know.

Well, it's probably not ISIS since Anonymous declared war on them. :right:

I always think this thread title is the cellar. 'could' move