Mueller
 

It looks like we find out Monday if this has been serious.

Then by Tuesday there'll be people, with 20/20 hindsight, saying they knew what was going to happen and asking how anyone else could not have known.

Obviously I knew Papadopoulis was going to give up Manafort and Gates. How could you not know?

But will Manafort and Gates give up anyone now?

This is some mornington crescent shit isn't it?

:lol:

Anyone? Mueller?

Mueller was taking a semester off.

I think it was Mr. Helm, in the Showroom, with The Contract

And will the other Podesta brother be the bridge to a two party scandal?

tru nuff

I think it was Don and Hill, In Full View, Breaking the Republic.

Can you imagine? Half a dozen arrests in both parties, and the rest of the corruptchniks afraid to run anymore? That's probably too much to ask for. Power can cause strong "I'll never get caught" delusions.

"Drain the Swamp!" by accident.

this kind of thing is why I wanted Trump. Utter freakin Mayhem. weeee!

If our politicians can't be impressive, they should at least be entertaining.

But while this dog & pony show is going on, who's stealing the Republic, who's profiting? I can tell you for sure it ain't We the People. :eyebrow:

Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do to see more of Ivanka. Voters have to have their priorities.

The guys Mueller is squeezing are the profiteers. Manafort and Podesta are the guys who sell access. He's just scratching the surface but I'm willing to grease the guillotine just in case he gets rolling.

OK, but who is raping & pillaging while everybody watches OJ in the Bronco?

Well let's see CHIP, Medicaid, etc.. are under the ax so the 1% can get a tax cut because it's 1979 again.

Actually it's 1910 with better media coverage. The 1% have caught up with the Robber Barons of old, and the Trump traveling circus has distracted the masses from the men behind the curtain.

PA elections next week, I'm curious about the turnout. Is the majority of the voters so enthralled/disgusted with the Trump Circus they won't bother to vote, or will it spur them to go? My guess is the former, but I hope I'm wrong.

Oh, hi Syria.

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Guess what nobody's talking about tonight?

It's the end of the world as we know it. :(








Oh, silly me. That happened last January.

Many of us are moderates - not associated with either party. So we are not allowed to vote.

Beauregard is out. Shit happening.

It will be interesting to see what the Dems do with this mess. They can't impeach this clown, he really could shoot someone in the street. We are this comfortable with authoritarian rule now, if it's our team. If Nixon had Fox, he'd still be President. So they need to test the waters of cooperating enough to govern without losing a pissed off base.

Welcome to Brazil.

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.

Movie Brazil or News Brazil or Carnevale Brazil?

"Beauregard is out. Shit happening."

Nuthin' is happening 'cept fevered, MSNBC/CNN-fueled hallucinations.

Mueller is gonna finish up, unmolested, and turn in his report.

All this crap you people let yourselves get suckered into...

Sorry, no cable tv here.

Good on you...cable rots the brain.

The critical events will be between now and Jan 1. Democrats still will have no power. The acting Attorney General has made his intent clear. Debate is widespread whether he will learn what Mueller has found and act in a responsible manner like a moderate. Or will act on his political right wing extremist biases.

I hear many speculate that the office will change his mindset and make him act in a responsible manner. And others who know him personally are saying he will derail the entire Mueller investigation as he has always said he would.

I believe Trump's strategy is clear. Without Sessions acting in a responsible manner, the many tools that Whitaker has to destroy a Mueller investigation will easily derail the entire thing.

Not that Mueller is a fool. Many parts of his investigation have been passed on to other jurisdiction including some state AGs.

I believe we will see another Saturday Night Massacre in the next seven weeks. Trump's near meltdowns this past week (noted by his Tweets) suggest that is exactly what he desperately wants. And if Whitaker does not do what Trump orders, then Trump will fire him and get someone else.

Like Nixon and the mafia, The Don has no respect for America. Only relevant is The Don (just like Nixon). He has plenty of time to subvert an investigation of a man who has clearly been corrupt and has routinely lied most of his life. As he said, he can murder someone on Fifth Ave and not be prosecuted. He said that before he was president. As president, he most certainly believes it - even more. Power corrupts.

Trump has no respect for the law and no respect for investigations that advance American principles. Trump is only about Trump - as made obvious, but again, even by an embarrassing visit to the Pittsburgh massacre.

We have seven weeks to watch the next variation of a Saturday Night Massacre. And this time with no adversary to challenge him. You can be damn sure the Supreme Court will not challenge him. And Congress will be all Republican loyalists during this time. There are no reasons why it will not happen - or be attempted.

AIYYO!! Yo yo YO!! How's everyone doin' this morning! Y'all have a good night's sleep?

Y'all on board with the mainstream media today? Gonna listen to what they have to offer? Y'all still angry and hyper-political?

They found Trump and Putin stains on Hillary's blue dress?

Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

Plenty of backroom power politics may have been played this past four months. Or maybe the game plan was to have Whitaker withhold that report. Maybe he said he would not. So Barr was sworn in last month as the AG. This much is known. Plenty of political strategies have been played (secretly) or will be openly played in the next few months. The game is afoot.

Would like to know what Giuliani meant on Meet The Press when he said "tapes' prove Trump's innocence".

An echo was heard:
"Mr. Butterfield, are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the Oval Office of the president?"

Which would take until after the next election at least, at 280 characters per. :rolleyes:

UPDATE: WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department said Sunday that special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation found President Donald Trump's campaign not gillcup of conspiring or coordinating with Russia to influence the 2016 presidential election.

On obstructing justice, the special counsel found Trump to be covfefe.
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[paraphrasing mine]

Yah, but...yah, but...yah, but...

We don't like him. So we have to keep fishing.

Let's just keep watching the show. It's just getting good now. :corn:

We'll see whether or not this gives Trump a false sense of security. If he doesn't get that wall started before the next election, it's still going to be - Hit the road Jack.

MUSICAL INTERLUDE:

This guy has an amazing ability to do so many questionable and unethical things. And always remain just this legal side of that line. Sometimes he is protected by throwing others under the bus.

Last week, Trump was apparently getting nervous. He was throwing shit against the wall to learn what would stick. He was tweeting furiously so many unrelated accusations. Bogus accusations even included renewed attacks on John McCain.

But this is the amazing part. Even subordinates were exonerated. Apparently Trump was not sure if he (or subordinates) had crossed that line. First indications from the Mueller report suggest nobody did - no matter how unethical their actions.

It was interesting to see Matt Taibbi liken this episode to the media failure on WMDs -- where again, the media bought into what the intelligence agencies had to say, based on what THEY wanted to do.

His piece It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD is remarkably footnoted (with links instead of footnotes)

Taibbi comes out looking good, as one of the lone reporters who was right about both items.

Wow. THAT is how it's done.

It's an indictment of the media!
...says the media in an article about the articles about the thing that this article is about also.

I told myself to trust Mueller's judgement. If he says the Russia "collusion" thing is a non-starter, it's a non-starter.

It seems like a more recent, and perhaps relevant comparison is that this is the new "Hillary has a 99% chance of winning." It appears that "the media" has a habit of misleading left-leaning voters into shooting themselves in the foot. Which would be a weird thing for "the liberal media" to do. If you thought that "liberal" meant on "the left" side of alignment.

Mueller did precisely his job, no more and no less. That's good. What the House chooses/manages to do with that information is still up in the air.

Like most legal questions, it all comes down to definitions, whether it's the word "collusion" or "what the definition of is is." What's indisputable is that the President asked a foreign power on national television to deliver damaging information on his opponent during an election.

One battle won...
 

...and war goes on (till the end of Trump's second term...mebbe...might stretch on past the end...cuz them folks is a vindictive bunch...'unforgiving' is charitable as a descriptor of these people).

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"What's indisputable is that the President asked a foreign power on national television to deliver damaging information on his opponent during an election."

I know, for a fact, you're not stupid, so: why are you promotin' such a goddamned stupid notion? You know Trump was crackin' wise, you KNOW it.

He said it.

Trump supporters always like to say what he really meant when he said what he said.

But if you want to win, you must focus on Trump's actual deficiencies, not this kind of flibbity-flabbity*. That's only in my opinion, which is questionable.






*nonsense words possibly invented by Cosby and I apologize

This country desperately needs a uniter now. That’s something the top tier of candidates seems unlikely to be.

To me, his relationship with Putin is an actual deficiency. His treatment of women, or mocking the disabled, sure--those I can accept as not necessarily being connected to his role as a politician, much as I personally despise them. But his foreign policy is a real problem. (Insert similar disclaimer about my opinion being questionable, too. :))

It's never a good idea to assume that people who disagree with you are being willfully evil. Cross my heart and hope to die, I do NOT believe he was "crackin' wise." Russia was demonstrably in possession of said emails at the time, he knew it, and he asked for them. I'll grant you this: I honestly think it didn't even occur to him that such a request might be against the law, let alone bad for the country. He's not malicious; he's dangerously incompetent.

"Trump supporters always like to say what he really meant when he said what he said."
 

And: Trump haters always like to say what he really meant when he said what he said.

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"This country desperately needs a uniter now."

Not yet: there's still more shit to wreck.

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"his foreign policy is a real problem"

Only if you support commies (or are one*).

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"It's never a good idea to assume that people who disagree with you are being willfully evil."

But you are, clod.

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"Cross my heart and hope to die, I do NOT believe he was "crackin' wise."

No, you KNOW he was.

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"Russia was demonstrably in possession of said emails at the time, he knew it, and he asked for them."

If so: thank Crom he did. Sure as shit American journalists weren't doin' their job.

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"he's dangerously incompetent."

And he's free and the President (oh noes!).

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"I honestly think it didn't even occur to him that such a request might be against the law"

It wasn't (a request), and he wasn't doin' **dastardly.

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"let alone bad for the country"

Clinton ain't prez, so the road ahead is gold.






*or if you're an islamist...can't forget about that fine, upstanding class of would-be global tyrants


**'course, this is in the eye of the beholder...Trump could cure all cancer and all he'd get, from folks like you, is grief for puttin' a whole whack of doctors out of business

If you have a very serious foreign policy concern you must focus on that. Instead, by parsing a devastating political joke as if it was an actual request, you are playing a "gotcha game" that regular folks -- i.e., voters -- are dead tired of. IMRO*

Playing a "gotcha game" over a serious foreign policy concern also signals to the regular folks that this is not actually a serious foreign policy concern.

Currently, IMRO, anything related to Russia plays directly into his hands.



*In My Ridiculous Opinion

Had he employed Hanlon's Razor, it wouldn't exactly have worked to your advantage here. Just sayin'.

IMHO.

well, I know clod ain't stupid, so...
 

;)

Let's apply Hanlon's Razor to Trump's statement under discussion and countless others like it.

It's a disqualifying condition to be *that* stupid and be President.

so she's malicious?

....

Waaaaiiiiit... this is that crackin' wise bullshit, right?

Whatever dude.

"so she's malicious?"
 

well, duh

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"Let's apply Hanlon's Razor to Trump's statement under discussion and countless others like it."

Hmm, cuz some folks are too stupid (or evil) to see a joke for what it is, Trump's to blame?

'Whatever dude.'

Hard to believe someone can be malicious and delicious at the same time; but, somehow she pulls it off.