Brexit
 

Great harm to the British economy was apparent when Elaine May went to India to promote new business connections. She returned empty handed. Because only the brainwashed in Britain think their economy will get better by finding trading partners elsewhere.

EU is properly putting the screws to dumb Brits who voted for Brexit. Friends inside so many companies currently based in Britain have plans or will be moving out of Britain once Brexit happens. Even Japanese car factories may have to close because the brainwashed were so easily manipulate by the emotional (liars).

Good for the EU. Screw the British people for voting for extremist rhetoric. The framework in a 500 page draft is apparently so ridiculous (unworkable) that neither side in Parliament can find anything good in it. We know massive job losses, especially in London and the Midlands will occur because of Brexit. The laughter at Elaine May's obvious stupid comments about an 'organized process' makes it obvious that she should be removed as Prime Minister. Since Brexit also created a weak and ineffective Prime Minister.

Brexit means a further decline of what once made Britain so strong.

Brits still have a few months to backtrack on this stupidity called Brexit. But they won't. For the same reason so many in America still respect The Don. Brainwashing, once implemented, means those cannot learn and correct their mistake.

It is good that Brits will suffer economically. They voted for it and deserve it. As with everything economic, things that affect economics become apparent only many years later. (America is still in an Obama economy.)

May's trip to India should have made obvious the stupidity of Brexit. Now and years later, the British people must and will be punished for their obstinate stupidity.

"extremist rhetoric"
 

What a good lil propagandist you are.

Sensible folks 'get' and 'like' the idea of individual, regional, national sovereignty.

You 'get it' too, I reckon, but you don't 'like it', and that's why you're opposed: *communitarianism can't flourish if 'borders' exist. And a flourishing communitarianism is what you want.

Marx loves you, tw.









*to avoid page-generating misunderstanding: 'communitarianism' is an umbrella placeholder I apply to all anti-individual, anti-human philosophies. Communism, socialism, even Capitalism all fall under that umbrella, as well as any number of other **cog-generatin' ideas, systems, etc. My use of 'communitarianism' in this way falls outside the conventional defintion, hence this footnote.









**what you are if you embrace communitarianism(s) cuz, sure as hell, you ain't a self-owned, self-directing, person (an ***agent).









***as in 'agent causation', a distinct kind of 'libertarian' ****free will I believe in.









****to be clear: I don't 'have' free will; I 'am' a free will (just like the rest of you ['cept for tw, of course, cuz he's just a cog]).

Europe is pretty small from our perspective, none of the countries has all the resources to maintain a successful microcosm at today's standard. That's why they have all interacted since forever to trade their strengths, so everyone gets their needs met. Joining together to make trade easier helped them all, although it has brought some onerous annoying regulations like lower beer standards to Germany.

The UK cutting off their nose to spite their face, makes no sense. One of the UK's big strengths was coal, but coal is fading fast. Another is banking but that will fade too, being an outsider looking in.

Making the UK great again is bullshit there too, just like it is here.

"Europe is pretty small from our perspective, none of the countries has all the resources to maintain a successful microcosm at today's standard. That's why they have all interacted since forever to trade their strengths, so everyone gets their needs met. Joining together to make trade easier helped them all, although it has brought some onerous annoying regulations like lower beer standards to Germany."

Yeah, but there's a difference between 'alliance' (of sovereigns) and 'union' (which is the dissolution of sovereignty).

I've yet to see a convincing argument for the an encompassing European Union when most of the benefits of such a thing coulda been had through narrow economic alliances, alliances which coulda preserved natiional autonomies.

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"The UK cutting off their nose to spite their face, makes no sense. One of the UK's big strengths was coal, but coal is fading fast. Another is banking but that will fade too, being an outsider looking in."

Mebbe so, but a significant number of Brits thought, mebbe still think, the benefits of blurring into 'union were/are outweighed by the cost to national autonomy.

Meh...I don't get a say, and neither do you...them folks are gonne do, or allow to be done to them, 'whatever'.

Many clearing houses must start executing for Brexit three months before the March exit. This made worse because so many Brexit supporting Brits cannot even accept the massive penalties and job losses they deserve for voting for Brexit. So companies have even more incentive to get out of Britain.

Some 30 institutions are planning a move to Frankfurt; moving almost $1 trillion in assets. HSBC will move to Paris. Bank of America and Barclays will move to Dublin. Many insurers and asset managers are moving to Luxembourg including (I have heard) Citibank. Amsterdam may get the London Stock Exchange Group and CBOE Global Markets.

These are only the many who must make the move before Brexit. A large number of other institutions must slowly move out over the next ten years.

From The Economist:

Even though we are about three months out from Brexit, my firm is now advising clients who want trademark protection in the UK to file joint trademark applications in the EU and the UK.

The current EU trademarks will be grandfathered in to the UK once it leaves the EU, but future trademarks must be filed in both locations if a company wants protection in both places. And since the process of having a trademark approved in the EU takes about 3 months, we're now at the time when a new trademark filed today will issue in the EU after Brexit, so that company would have no protection in the UK from an EU trademark. They would have to file all over again in the UK and wait for that process to be completed, delaying protection there by months or more.

I'm not sure how this will impact my firm. We have a London office that handles EU trademarks for us, and I suppose they will still offer that service as well as the less desirable UK trademark service, but will clients think to come to a law firm in London to file EU marks after London leaves the EU? We may see a decline in overall business. We also have an office in Brussels that could handle the EU trademark work, but all of our knowledgeable EU staff is in London.

Interesting times.

TW some of your quotes...
“only the brainwashed in Britain think their economy will get better by finding trading partners elsewhere.

EU is properly putting the screws to dumb Brits who voted for Brexit.

Good for the EU. Screw the British people for voting for extremist rhetoric.

It is good that Brits will suffer economically. They voted for it and deserve it”.

Are a bit over the top, I voted to leave, and I can assure you I have never been brainwashed in my life, I voted leave because the EU is becoming the united states of Europe by the back door and it's not what was signed up for.
I just wish the UK government grew a pair and told the EU to fuck off

when that deal was put on the table, I would have told them that they could sing for the 39 billion pay off plus I would have pulled the plug on all future developments that were previously agreed.

When Brussels realised they would have to find this money they would have changed their tune somewhat I think

A majority who smoked cigarettes to increase their health also denied they were brainwashed. Not one logical fact justifies your vote. That reasoning is classic and silly emotion.

A perfect example of brainwashing is demonstrated. Your economy will suffer. One must be a fool to not see the obvious. Even Donald Trump sees it (amazing).

The brainwashed routinely deny their brainwashing. Only way to deny that brainwashing is to provide hard facts. Some silly emotion about becoming the United States of Europe is only silly emotion; clearly not a fact.

Does being part of the EU mean increased costs. No. Exactly the reverse. But soundbytes always work on the most easily brainwashed.

Repeatedly listed are the many corporations and industries that must leave Britain or substantially reduce employment due to economic punishment such as tariffs. Even using different currencies further destroys jobs.

Brexit has no advantages. May even went to India to futilely promote new trade. As if that would make up for lost trade due to Brexit. She wasted her time for obvious reasons. She came back with nothing.

Brits are so screwed up as to not even admit that leaving the EU results in massive increased costs. EU has no reason to play nice. Britain deserves it because so many voters believed hype and soundbytes (lies) promoted by Boris Johnson and David Davis. They only wanted to wreck things; to achieve self serving political power. They had no plan beyond that Brexit vote. They were and remain incapable of thinking strategically.

As the Washington Post and large numbers of educated people note: Why procrastination? You voted for emotions; with total disregard for economic realities. Johnson, et al can only procrastinate. They had no plan beyond economic destruction for personal gain. Anyone who can not see that today is denying reality.

This is already obvious. Britain will suffer economically due to Brexit. No reason (other than emotions) contradict that reality - from BeBop or anyone else. Plenty of reasons for that economic punishment are listed. Good. Maybe the less intelligent people will finally learn that soundbytes promote brainwashing.. Bebop's post also is only a soundbyte. Honesty always requires many paragraphs - that only adults who are adult can read without glazed over eyes.

Even drunk alcoholics claim they can quit drinking whenever they want. Another example of brainwashing. Brexit is only justified by emotions promoted by brainwashing. Not one honest reason has yet justified that vote. Same emotions are why no Brexit plan could be created after two years. Brexiters are getting destruction they were told to promote.

You are getting a disaster you wanted because you voted emotionally.

Theresa May.

You're brainwashed, it was Elaine May.

She's still with us!

She was brought up on the Late Show last week. One of the guests was in a play with her.

Also, tw has helped us to understand a very good point.

If you want people to vote the way you want, insult the living shit out of them.

Don't bother with their concerns. Their concerns are dumb. You're the one who is smart! There's no need for convincing and trivial things like that. The dumb people should listen to their betters who truly understand things.

The biggest problem is when they listen to people on their side, the dumb side! Then they become brainwashed and the election doesn't go the way we like! At that point it is a compleat disaster and we have to double down on insulting them. We have to get the media involved to explain to them over and over why they are dumb.

Elaine May can help but without Mike Nichols she is a shadow of her former self.

She used to be a Berliner.

30 years from now, everyone will be talking about what courageous people of vision the Brexiteers were; but, the old naysayers now don't care because they won't be around anymore for anyone to say I told you so.

Brexit is already in trouble. The bad parts have not yet started.

Brexit supporters will remain in denial even as things degrade over the next tens years.

No one has yet posted one fact that justifies Brexit. That reality is somehow insulting to Brexit supporters - who only voted their emotions.

There is some pathetic prime minister called May. Even her fist name will be forgettable. History will record her unremarkable tenure.

Winners don't have to provide justifications, it's the losers' responsibility to justify why they shouldn't have lost.

Rationalizations of losers are worthless if they can't appease the winners.

This isn't about who did or did not win - it's more a question of what did they win?

I.m not a brexiter - I voted remain. And my preference if we are to exit, is that we do it in a staged and controlled fashion that doesn't cripple our economy - but ... with hindsight, given that that was never going to be acceptable to the stronger brexiteers, we'd have been better off going for a clean break from the start and planning for that.

As it what we are currently looking at is something nobody is happy with. I would favour a new referendum. There are enough people who voted brexit in expectation of something very different (both sides lied constantly during the campaign, and most Brrits, myself included, are woefully uninformed about Europe and our relationship with it) to warrant a new vote.

If I order an expensive piece of kit off the internet and when it arrives it is a pile of shit, I can send it back and get a refund.

For a lot of people who voted to leave they have just received a steaming turd through the post instead of their spanking new piece of democratic freedom.

The first referendum we voted on whether we wanted to leave europe - it was a fairly amorphous proposition and barely anybody knew what that would actually mean. We voted on principle. Now I think we should get the chances to vote on details and facts.

We also used a very bizarre voting system. Almost any important decision that might change the way an institution, party or country will organise itself - the structural decisions, not just who occupies the seats - require a two third or 60% majority. We ran a constitutional vote like a party political vote and got a result much like those we get in our first past the post parliamentary elections: victory with slightly over half the vote. Almost a split own the middle between those supporting the winning proposition and those supporting the losing proposition.

To change the structure of the nation shouold require more than being able to mobilise a handful more people than the other side - it should require a groundswell of popular support.
If it is genuinely the will of the people - a majority of the people - that we leave, then a new referendum will confirm that.

That's what the losers always say.

That's what the losers always say.

We don't like it, let's have a do-over.

If you had been the winner, would you give the losers a do-over now⸮

They could come up with a laundry list of reasons (EU grievances) too.

Actually, had the vote gone our way by the same margin it went their way, they'd have a very good case for a revote in my opinion. I said right from the get go, back when everybody was predicting a remain victory that a referendum with simple majority was a stupid way to decide the fate of the nation and would end up leaving half the country upset and feeling let down, regardless of who wins - I have the same problem with first past the post parliamentary elections too - and have had through left and right victories and defeats.

Unfortunately, we can't have a reasoned debate about Europe in this country. Haven't been able to for decades. Political debate ping pongs between pro-europe and anti-europe propaganda. I think the majority of people in this country who voted in that referendum did so in almost complete ignorance of what they were actually choosing - and I absolutely include myself in that.

I've learned more about Europe and its political and legal structures, how that interacts with our and potential ramifications of this or that trading relationship in the last 2 years than in the 20 years leading up the vote.

I'd like a vote now while we all actually have some kind of a clue about how this shit works. I'd probably still vote to remain, but at least I'd know why I was voting that way.

The biggest search terms on google.co.uk after the brexit vote nwere all variations on 'what is the European union?'.

I actually think if we have another vote it might just go more comprehensively Brexit - if that happened, at the very least the government would have a very strong mandate for it - that would increase confidence at the very least.

Right on point as per

Here's what I would like to happen in order of preference:

1. A second referendum; or
2. a complete withdrawal from Europe that allows us to participate in international trade deals without having to compromise them to remain in an economic trading system over which we have lost any and all say - indefinitely.

They had two years to come up with a plan - and they fucked it up. They started this shit with the original referendum - a promise made for political expediency during a fight for dominance in one political party. They sent us down this road and they have spent two years fighting among themselves and trying to get a compromise between two diametrically opposed viewpoints.

We would have been better off spending the last two years planning for a complete exit - 2 years of uncertainty has not been good for the economy, it has not provided businesses with any kind of confidence. Now our choice is to crash out with minimal planning and wholly insufficient contingencies in place or revisit the question of whether we want to leave Europe. It is fucking ludicrous that they dont have a plan after 2 fucking years.

We could actually have made Brexit work for us - maybe we'd be less of a force in the world, but that's ok - we're not a fucking empire anymore. It wasn't my preference - I was dead against it but if we'd have just bitten the bullet when the vote was done and got on with planning the break away we could have made it work for us. Instead we got a pointless election that destroyed the credibility of the leader just as we needed some fucking confidence and direction and the whole affair has been limping round in circles ever since - with the leave date getting closer and nobody able to plan anything because nobody knows what the fuck brexit is going to look like.

This, basically. With the Scottish independence referendum the pro-independence lobby were instructed to produce a detailed document explaining the options for handling currency issues, international relations, defence, taxation and public spending etc. Etc. Whether you agreed or not, the information was there (here actually, all 670 pages of it: https://www2.gov.scot/resource/0043/00439021.pdf) to weigh up.
When I got the voting card for the Brexit referendum I was dumbfounded. Where was all that information that the promoters of change had to produce? All there was to go on was a slogan on the side of a bus. Fucking ridiculous. So at the very least a referendum on an **informed choice** should be granted us.





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Just think how much more you'll have learned in another 2 years!

Of course you would. You know there'll be an attrition factor when people are faced with the process of actual change...any change.

Do you really think anyone will swallow that line⸮ But, but, if we have a do-over now, you might be even bigger winners!

You're a nice lady; so, a compromise is in order: After Brexit has been accomplished, have a referendum on whether or not to join the EU. That way, people will be better educated and everyone (not just the old fogies) will have actually experienced life outside the EU which is so crucial to making an informed decision what with all the propaganda that goes on there.

Until then, suck it up and enjoy the amusement that people making uninformed decisions provides. The rest of the world is.

That is games playing. This isn't a game.

I'm not laughing at the people making uninformed choices - I was one of them, we all were.

I'm not even 100% sure I'd vote to remain again if we had another vote - the last 2 years have fundamentally damaged our relationships with European partners - if we were to change our minds and vote to remain we'd be in Europe as a much weakened member - possibly catastrophically weakened.

I would however like to know if we were leaving that we were doing so with some kind of plan in mind.

There never was a plan in mind. Boris Johnson, et al were promoting Brexit for the same reason another here says he only wants to wreck it all.

Anyone can see why Brexit can only be bad. For example, a first tier nation must make high tech products. Parts for cars cross borders tens or 100 times before finally being assembled inside an automobile. Cross state, provence, and nation borders is constant and necessary to build anything technically advanced. It happens in that region because trade is open and unrestricted across all those borders. Innovation and highwage jobs can never happen today with border restrictions.

That is what Brexit want to restore. Border restrictions. Strifled innovations.

How many borders do parts only in a light bulb cross? Maybe 30 or more - just for a light bulb.

Also essential for a productive economy is free motion of labor. I cannot think of a single place I worked where less than 50% were only from that one state. Most everyone comes from elsewhere - over the years and sometimes daily. Because that also is essential to have a product economy.

Brexit only want to restrict all that. Brexit will clearly make Britain less productive. But most people have no idea what is essential to make a nation productive.

One thing I love on the streets of London is the vibracny created by Schengen. That too will go away because so many have no idea what makes an economy productive and innovative.

Well over 100 years ago, a major innovation happened that can only occur where state borders are open. Sear created the catalog. The world never saw anything like it. The world's biggest Post Office was in Chicago to only serve customers of Sears catalog. That was the internet of its time. And could not happen in Europe where borders restricted such innovation, productivity, and job creation. EU is essential for any productive nation in that region. It should be that obvious to anyone with minimal economic education.

Strifled.

For all your knowledge of how to run a country, you should run for something.

Preferably away.

Sorry got to disagree here - London has always had that vibrancy and probably always will. It's been a world city pretty much since world cities became a thing.

I disagree too. The UK has never been part of Schengen.

Oh yeah - and there's that lol

I probably should have led with that amirite?

Well that must be why Dutch company Philips makes all its light bulbs in...

...wait for it...

London.

Oh! But by that I mean... surprise...

London, Ontario.

Canada

Who in turn is not an EU member, so.

British manufacturing will be crushed by this blow though. Whatever is left of it already. Can any Brits tell us what was left of it before the EU?

(I kid, I kid! I used to work for a British video equipment manufacturer... and I currently work for Britain's 15th largest company)

light bulbs?
 

Is this an xkcd-level post where I have to know a lot about a niche thing in order to get the joke?

For fuck's sake.

two fucking years they've had. Two fucking years and they've concluded this is complicated.

'Nobody knew health care could be so complicated'

lol

Owww.

We seem to be in a race for which of our nations is going to face total constitutional crisis first.

Right now i think we are in the lead

"Brexit is already in trouble."

Of course it is. The Powers that Be didn't want it, don't want it, will complexify it and drag it out right up to the exit date, and what Britain will be stuck with is a faux exit (where the Brits lose power in the EU but remain bound up in obligations to the EU).

Blame The Powers that Be, not the principle.

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"No one has yet posted one fact that justifies Brexit."

Principles (like individual and national sovereignty) don't count, I guess.

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"we'd have been better off going for a clean break from the start and planning for that."

Yes. 40 years of interconnection was never gonna be done away with easily or painlessly, but it coulda been cleanly (still could, but probably won't).

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"They had two years to come up with a plan - and they fucked it up"

Yep, cuz -- again -- 'The Powers that Be didn't want it, don't want it, will complexify it and drag it out right up to the exit date'. They fucked it up, are fucking it up, on purpose.

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''Nobody knew health care could be so complicated.'

It's not. Another example of 'leaders' complexifyin' shit to get what they want (and to hell with what you want [or need]).

If the United Kingdom could sing to the European Union, the song might go something like this:

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Brexit is about making those hundreds of thousand or million EU citizens into foreigner - who must get visas or leave. London, that is so vibrant because it is compopolitian, is one reason why the midland extremists voted for Brexit. They see want makes London so vibrant as people stealing their jobs. Hate always works on the lesser informed.

Many Americans are just a brainwash by similar right wing wacko extremisms. For example, they also do not understand that 50% of America's Fortune 500 were created by immigrants. That 40% of all new businesses are created by this tiny minority - immigrants. And that an overwhelming majority of American Nobel prized came from immigrants - many who had almost no education when they got here.

Brexit includes a hate for Schengen. But that is why London is so vibrant. And is why so many Brits, manipulated by hate and soundbytes, hate Brexit.

Every foreigner I know who work in Britain will be leaving. London will be less vibrant.

I assumed the mass exodus would be to Frankfurt. And am surprised at the so many cities that everyone must move to - because the least educated believe lies from Boris Johnson.

At this point, every UK citizen with minimal knowledge now knows that Johnson, et al had no plan. They only understood more political power (only personal gain) by doing what Trump also does.

Schengen was not necessary for London to be vibrant before EU. And EU with Schengen and Britain excluded will mean a significant loss of what once make London so vibrant. Britian is no longer a good location for any European business office or factory.

I am shocked that Dana C does not see what is clearly obvious. No Schengen means London will no longer be the cosmopolitan town it used to be. The exodus will take about 10 years.

Even Trump refuses to do any trade deal with Britain. How much worse will it get?

Again, London (nor any of the nations that make up the UK) are or ever have been part of Schengen.

Read? I only know how to write.
 

Tw, the UK had opted out of Schengen.

Tw, the UK had opted out of Schengen.

Tw, the UK had opted out of Schengen.

Tw, the UK had opted out of Schengen.

Tw, the UK had opted out of Schengen.

Tw, the UK had opted out of Schengen.

From that citation: At many external border crossing points are special lanes for EU, EEA and Swiss citizens since all these (including British citizens covered by Schengen) require less documentation. That will change when Brexit completely removes Britain from Schengen.

Once Britain withdraws from Schengen (Sexobon again fails to read his own ciations), then so many EU citizens, who make a British economy so vibrant, must leave London or constantly renew visas. And British citizens must apply in advance for travel documents to the rest of Europe.

Business in Europe will remain easy and flexible. Britain must withdraw from all Schengen options putting more restrictions on what was once a vibrant economy.

Britain is in Schengen. But the British had some border controls (ie to protect Britain from rabies). Visas were not required - making travel and conducting business easy. All that gets complicated and restrictive once Brexit happens. British citizens will no longer be trusted in the EU. EU citizen must beg permission (get visas) to work in London.

More reasons why Brexit obviously will only harm the British economy.

Rhianne - Britain was part of Schengen - that permitted productive economic activity with the EU. Britain only opted out of a few aspects of Schengen - for security reasons. Brexit means Britain must withdraw from Schengen (because Britain was in Schengen) - causing economic harm.

Sexobon, the UK was part of and must withdraw from Schengen.

Sexobon, the UK was part of and must withdraw from Schengen.

Sexobon, the UK was part of and must withdraw from Schengen.

Sexobon, the UK was part of and must withdraw from Schengen.

Sexobon, the UK was part of and must withdraw from Schengen.

Sexobon, the UK was part of and must withdraw from Schengen.

If not part of Schengen, then why will all Schengen rules, that make British travel easy in the EU, now be removed? Because Britain was part of (but did not fully implement) Schengen. Sexobon only read a soundbyte looking for an excuse to attack. He again failed to learn facts.

Brexit means Britain must withdraw from Schengen - which creates problems for the Ireland / Northern Ireland border. A border that was open due Britain being part of Schengen.

The incompetent Prime Minister May is fighting for her job - because Brexit is a disaster created only to empower extremists (ie Boris Johnson). There was no plan. Brexit can only happen with serious damage to the British economy. That was obvious two years ago.

Even the most economically naive in Britain are finally learning that Brexit people were lying. They had no plan. They really did not think it would happen. They must now deny (more lies) the job losses and financial punishment that must happen.

May's job is on the line. Brexit was so dumb that it could not be negotiated in two years. British citizens deserve a hard Brexit. The exodus will begin next month.

I don't necessarily disagree with your views and I certainly don't intend to continue with my pedantry but I think you might be mixing up Schengen with the relevant aspects of Maastricht (The Maastricht Treaty or Treaty of Maastricht or whatever they called it) from the early 1990s.

and...

London will not cease being a vibrant world city because of brexit.

The demographics may shift - certainly, but London is a world city with inhabitants from every part of the world. It was ever thus.

Brexit will almost certainly have a profound impact on London's ability to act as a financial centre and may well lose a proportion of its current EU residents - but it will not stop being a world city.

London has been a cosmopolitan city for a very, very long time.

The rest of the country will suffer more I think.

No. Sorry but you are wrong.

That deceitful dullard tw quoted a part of the article I linked to:

Then he leaves out what immediately follows his quoted selection in a blatant attempt to defraud.

Bold mine, which is the only part relevant to this discussion.

As usual, tw gets caught lying and tries to manipulate irrelevant information in a smoke and mirrors attempt to deceive people.

I stated the fact that the UK opted out of Schengen. That the UK requested participation in "Police Security and Judicial Cooperation" aspects of Schengen has little bearing on the vibrancy of London. The passport free area which the UK opted out of and never participated in is the RELEVANT fact. Tw misattributed London's vibrancy to an aspect of the Schengen Area that the UK was never part of.

Tw is a senile old coot. :crazy:

One twist is that Ireland's opt-out of Schengen is contingent on maintaining the Common Travel Area, which may not be possible post-Brexit. So while the UK may not have to remove itself from Schengen, it may need to figure out how to deal with Ireland joining it.

Do ya think they'll have to build a wall?

Much was in common with Schengen and Maastricht. How much different are the details? I am not sure, but it is irrelevant. Maastricht no longer applies. Maastricht gave London so much of its vitality. Schengen is the treaty that continues or expanded it. With a hard Brexit, all the advantages of Maastricht and Schengen are lost. Economic downturn is inevitable.

Discussed are a disaster from a hard Brexit. That is worse case. No EU country should agree to a soft Brexit. What will happen in Ireland (the so called backstop) should result in massive pain and economic disaster to an interconnected Ireland / Northern Ireland economy. No problem. The so many brainwashed midlanders don't know and don't care. They would rather believe Boris Johnson had a plan and was working in their interest. Just like saying Trump is working for everyone but himself. Never happen.

Brexit is a disaster for the British middle class and working class - who have no idea how destructive it will be. Large amounts of industrial production must leave Britain to survive - if Brexit happens. Unfortunately due to no intelligent thought and a deal that never had a hope in hell, Brexit will happen and will be destructive.

Only one question remains. How destructive - both short term and long term?

I'm sure Elaine May, working with the phone manufacturers in Shenzhen, will figure something out.

lol

Theresa May must change her name. Everything she writes in a speech causes wild laughter in the House of Commons. Elaine May writes good comedy.

Interestingly, or not, MPs are not actually permitted to read written speeches in the House of Commons.

Sure is a lot of these on the net...

Here's an interesting correlation, Brexit vote vs Mad Cow coverage. (I think they're lying)

Maybe joking rather than lying but, yes, it's obviously fake.

She still writes that comedy before speaking it. Britain has chosen to laugh. Then pain can be ignored. Let the good times roll - all over them.

Brexit never made sense to anyone who is an adult thinking like an adult.

It is called stand-up. Only better comedians do it.