Why do White House support Taiwan joining the WHO
 

I heard from China CCTV news report. I don't know if Taiwan would join WHO. We hope to have a good relation with the US and support China to draw TW back. Don't let TW make troubles to two sides.

Re: Why do White House support Taiwan joining the WHO
 

This Tiawan question is a charade - false pretense - fictional game. It is how the Chinese and Americans get around a fact they will never agree on while pretending to be in agreement. But the pragmatic reality is that mainland China and Tiawan are two separate countries and will remain so until and unless both countries agree to a reunion.

When mainland missiles threatened Tiawan, the US Seventh Fleet steamed through the straits to say bluntly - Tiawan is an independent country. That remains reality reagardless of what silly politicians claim.

Whether Tiawan becomes part of the WHO is a silly question for politicians. If Tiawan, not functioning as part of the WHO, is a threat to the health and safety of world people, then screw, impeach, or assissinate all politicians. When government officials do not work for the people, then they must be disposed of, with aggression if necessary. (A principle of the US and VietNam Declarations of Independence).

Sooner or later this nonsense idea of two countries / one nation will need to be eliminated. But that is a concept only for politician who cannot yet deal with realities. Whether Tiawan is or is not participating in the WHO is irrelevant to silly, pathetic politicans who have a funny habit of creating wars over nothing.

BTW, we saw some silly politicans try to do just that recently. In another crisis - a silly spy plane incident - some silly and anti-American politicans in the White House threatened war with mainland China over that silly plane. Yes, some government officials (in both countries) are so anti-world and anti-humanity as to advocate war over almost anything. Thank goodness for real Americans and real Chinese. Collin Powell finally put a stop to all that rhetoric from right wing extremist war mongers. But again, what we had are silly politicans trying to promote war because they are more interested in their silly politics than in world realities - pragmatism.

Honest people say it does not matter that Tiawan participates in the WHO. The WHO is about the health and well-being of the world. Honest people also say that that silly spy plane incident shows how anti-humanity some extremists in both the US and China can be. Don't worry about Tiawan. If it is in the interest of both China and Tiawan to be one country, then it will happen - when silly politicians stop playing mind games.

Well, if Taiwan can have an olympic team, I don't see why they shouldn't be part of the WHO.

(Personally, I think Taiwan should be treated as Hong Kong and Macau, though I don't see the Taiwanese agreeing with that.)

Are you stalking tw again? :cool:

Re: Why do White House support Taiwan joining the WHO
 

The British gave you Hong Kong back, in the last major international crime of (last) century. Forget about Taiwan.

I've got news for you tw. If China ever wanted to take Taiwan back by force, America WOULDN'T DARE get involved militarily. There's not a chance in the world.

Billy, Taiwan is a separate country. You don't need it. If Taiwan disappeared from the face of the earth, it wouldn't make a bit of difference to China. The only reason Mao wanted Taiwan is because they were getting wealthy and living well when China was starving under communism. It made him look bad. Now China has moved toward socialism and developed a trade policy that will increase wealth and the standard of living for its' people. If China keeps that direction and opens up opportunities for more individual freedom then there's a possibility that it would become attractive to Taiwan to rejoin China. If you want them back then make it worth their while.

Taiwan has been part of China for 7,000 years. I don't know what makes you think it's a different country. It would be like saying the Island of Manhattan is no longer part of America, but worse. What do you think Ameirca would do if Manhattan said they didn't want to be part of America and China said they'd send their military here to defend it?

Taiwan has always been and will always be part of China and America won't do anything about it if China decides to spank thier child for disobeying.

And you call Bush a warmonger. Tsk, tsk:rolleyes:

He is a war monger and I am not. I am not in favor of STARTING any wars; especially unprovoked and unconstitutional wars of imperialistic terrorist aggression like Bush did.

As long as Taiwan doesn't try to break away from China and declare independence I don't anticipate a war. But if a war did happen, I can guarantee America would not take part in it. I think Taiwan should be able to declare their independence as America did from our tyrranical imperialist oppressors, however this is none of America's business and China like Iraq doesn't answer to America but unlike Iraq, China is strong enough so even a war monger like Bush wouldn't be stupid enough to start shit with them. Although I may be underestimating Bush's stupidity.

Taiwan hasn't been part of China for 50 years.:p

Sure they have. They've never stopped being part of China.

If they're a part of China, then what the hell is everyone so upset about?

People are upset because Taiwan doesn't want to be part of China anymore but they don't have the strength to break away. America cares because the vast majority of our computer chips and other electronics are made there and we like the idea of having an ally so close to China.

Unfortunately for Taiwan China won't allow them to break away and America can't do anything about it. If America were to give them missles or other weapons, China would immediately attack and America doesn't want any part of that.

But if they already have their own separate government, then what's the definition of "breaking away"?

The state of California has a separate government but they are part of America. California isn't recognized as separate from America though. The same is true about Guam, Puerto Rico, etc. Taiwan is part of China and they haven't declared independence from China. If they do, they're dead meat. Mexico fought for their independence from Spain, America fought for our independence from England, etc. Taiwan has never declared or fought for their independence. Until they do, they are part of China.

It seems like a case of "Where reality collides with rhetoric" to me.

Taiwan SHOULD be able to declare themselves independent, but the REALITY of the situation is they can't or they'll be destroyed.

foobar.

Juju, Taiwan has considered itself the "true" China since the Nationalists fled the mainland in 1949 (the official name of Taiwan is the Republic of China). Most of the world went along with this until the late 60s/early 70s (you may recall Nixon's big trip over there). The US position these days seems to be "let them work it out themselves."

This should be the U.S. position in all foreign conflicts, but in this case it MUST be that way because we have no choice in the matter. If we get involved we can't handle the shit storm that will result.

TW is one part of China
 

Most Taiwanese want to come back China mainland one day. They think the US can not give them a safe life, only their home town, mother, China. We are the same families.

TW still one part of China
 

Just in 1990s a few people wanted go out China. GuoMin party still think TW is one part of China. They hope to recover China mainland again. Most of Chinese think TW is one part of China.

Heaven
 

Now more and more Taiwanese come back Chian mainland to seek jobs. They live here ,work here,love here, think China is their real home. I hear few people who work in mainland think it is bad here. They earn much money and have a better life. Why it is hell??

I think what juju was saying, (and I certainly don't agree with him), is that the Communist party are devils and therefore China is like Hell. But I could be misinterpreting it as well.

Safe from what? The only one threatening them has been Red China.
Most Chinese think Tibet is part of China except the native people.That's exactly what I suggested. If you want Taiwan to come back into the fold, make it worth their while. Instead of threatening to subdue them, make China a place they want to be.
Nobody wants to go "home" if mother is an axe murderer.;)

Re: Heaven
 

It's just an expression. :)

It's hell because the government tells every single person how to live every aspect of their lives. It's hell because the Chinese people don't know the meaning of the word Freedom. It's hell because Communism is pure evil. It's hell because the people of China have horrible living conditions, substandard healthcare, oppressive and evil government that violates the civil rights of everyone and asks the citizens to spy on each other and report their friends, neighbors, and relatives when they speak out against it, and for a host of other reasons.

Billy, he didn't say China is hell or it is hell is China. He said "what the hell" is just an expression than adds emphasis to his question.
Dave was being a wiseguy, I think?
And Radar, well he makes his position pretty clear. :eek:

Hell/heaven is up to you
 

These days the White House support Tibet to deviate from P.R. China. Tibet is one part of China. Whole the country help Tibet deleopment. I think the relation between China and the USA like neighbor.

China is one having big park, poor, peaceful, quiet family. The USA is one powerful, strong, rich, greedy family. The US family hope China family in confusion so they can snatch our fortune, beautiful girls, domain. They export capitalism to China. The Chinese just hope to have a peaceful and quiet life, not war and confusion. No one can save us, only ourselves. We should protect ourselves, not invade and occupy other family.

America started when it fought England for independence. The people of America are not like other countries because they come from everywhere else in the world. There are Americans from China, Africa, India, every European country. Even if someone comes from another country, if they are American citizens we say they are American.

We do not snatch the fortune of other countries. We found out how to become rich and we are happy to give the secrets to everyone who asks. We gave the secrets to South Korea and they are becoming rich too. We do not want their land or their women. We want them to be happy trade partners so we can become rich together.

Because we became America when we fought to separate from England, we like to help small countries if they want to be independent. The American culture wants to protect the victims.

Re: TW is one part of China
 

Even if so, China is an abusive mother and it's a dysfunctional family.

BTW, I'm guessing most Taiwanese today were born in Taiwan, so there is no "coming back".

Last time I looked, Taiwan considered mainland China as part of Taiwan. China simply a (larger) renegade part of the country. More silly political rhetoric. They are separate countries and will remain so until both countries agree otherwise - from one who never had much tolerance for compromises that don't solve problems.

China does know one fact that has been expressed by every previous president. If China attacks Taiwan, they will find themselves in direct conflict with the US. That has been stated specifically - sometimes by openly, publically, and agressively parading US aircraft carrier task forces in the Formosa Straits.

Don't be silly, TW.
RADAR said that can't happen.:rolleyes:

Re: Hell/heaven is up to you
 

Nah, we don't want your girls. We prefer to get those from Vietnam, the Philippines, and Eastern Europe.

We do want your babies though. We have plenty of children for adoption here, but nobody really wants a black baby or an older child. A yellow baby is considered a good compromise for some white folks.

Now there's a language/cultural reference Billy won't appreciate: "yellow" babies.

I'm not sure I understand it myself.

I was going to note that it was crude Sycamore-American humor, but that would have taken away from the original post. So, I'll say it here.

Billy, my comments were rather cynical and sarcastic. Though they were somewhat true, I tend to have a bizarre sense of humor, so my apologies in advance.

(He did seem to get the bra remark though.)

Girl=woman
 

Some people like Chinese. I like you, not see one people as his skin color.

That is absolutely false. America will not take part in any conflict between Taiwan and China. Our government has already stated this and the reason America won't do it is because we know it would be something we couldn't handle. The last thing in the world America wants to do is have more than a billion Chinese people fighting us.

China is the only country left that can keep America's imperialistic military intervention in check. Russia comes close too. I can absolutely guarantee without any doubt what-so-ever that if China and Taiwan got into a military conflict, America WOULD NOT take part in it at all. Not even as part of a U.N. force.

Only very foolish people have no doubt.

See, I told you so.:p

No, only those who aren't sure because they've been wrong so many times in the past. I have no doubt because I know it to be true for a fact. I know 2+2=4 and I have no doubt about it. I know America wouldn't take part with no less certainty.

Then you, sir, are an idiot.

Billy, an interesting note about the crux of this thread, from the US Department of State:

Maintaining diplomatic relations with the P.R.C. has been recognized to be in the long-term interest of the United States by six consecutive administrations; however, maintaining strong, unofficial relations with Taiwan also is in the U.S. interest. The United States is committed to these efforts because they are important for America's global position and for peace and stability in Asia. In keeping with its one-China policy, the U.S. does not support Taiwan independence. The U.S. supports Taiwan's membership in appropriate international organizations, such as the WTO, APEC forum, and the Asian Development Bank, where statehood is not a requirement for membership. In addition, the U.S. supports appropriate opportunities for Taiwan's voice to be heard in organizations where its membership is not possible.

Take a look in the mirror juju. And when you're done read what sycamore just posted. And pay particularly close attention to the part that says...

The USA is certainly not above the rhetoric.
But alas, rhetoric is not reality.:)

China not attack Taiwan
 

The China government announced that we use peaceful way to resolve this problem. We would attack Taiwan if the US, Japan or other countryarm inrade Taiwan. We hope the twoside people communicate and stregthen cooperate.

Re: China not attack Taiwan
 

Well, you certainly don't have to worry about Japan. They were neutered after World War II.

If China wanted Taiwan back bad enough, they could have already taken it by now. This has been going on for over 50 years now. Of course, most of Taiwan's weapons were bought from the US.

We have to warry about Japan
 

About one month ago one Japan student who study in China say diry on China. He said in one radio that the Japan is one small country and China is large. Japanese should kill all the Chinese to have more resource. He thought they would invaded China again soon. Whole of China become angray at this.

Do you think we still let Japanese kill us?

And they have every right to be. Just don't forget, you're talking about one asshole running his mouth and not the people or country of Japan.
I think if Japan attacked China nobody would ever have to worry about the Japanese again. Ever!:eek:

I will
 

We still worry about Japan. Some Japanese still like war.

Well, I like young girls too, but that ain't going to happen either.
I can understand your distrust of the Japanese given their past history but I don't think they're stupid enough to attack China today.

Re: I will
 

Rather silly to worry about Japan. Their military abilities are dominately defensive. Japan has no offensive military capacity.

However I would more worry about N Korea. Reasons for war include fear. North Korean military leadership fears invasion. They fear the world. They even fear letting their own people emmigrate.

I would worry about mainland China having attempted an invasion of VietNam, Kashmir, and Tibet. Having claimed that almost the entire South China sea up to the beaches of Viet Nam, Malaysia, and Philippines belongs to China. Having already fought a military battle on the Spratley Islands for possession of those islands located closest to Phillippines.

I would worry about the US under its current leadership that would advocate the invasion and occupation of another nation using lies about 'weapons of mass destruction' (WMD). Even US Assistant Secratary of Defense Wolfovich acknowledged today those WMD did not exist (lies that are now causing serious political problems for Tony Blair in UK). I would worry about a nation that has turned so militaristic in the past three years that its college kids openly advocate military actions as a solution to any world problem - a severe change from a pre-2001 USA. A nation that last was so militaristic when it unilaterally attacked N Viet Nam for same mythical reasons.

I would worry more about India and Pakistan whose governments are now dominated by the most conservative and militaristic leaders in generations AND who were but days from a nuclear exchange. Two countries that have so little fear of nuclear war as to openly advocate such an engagment with millions of troops already in the field of battle.

Where does Japan come any where near to being as dangerous as these other openly aggressive war powers? With so many antagonists, no wonder Japan must maintain such a strong defensive military. Japan is a far from being a threat to China is one has any post World War II historical knowledge AND knowledge of who has what weapons. To worry about Japan is to worry without first learning basic facts.

     Don't undersetimate the Japanese. They may not have an offense now, but I bet it wouldn't take them long to put one together if we let them. Remeber, that little country has kicked China's ass in the past. The Japanese don't do anything half-way.

When Japan invaded China last, it wasn't a country but loosely confederated groups. Now China is a nation of significant strength. The army and leadership are truly national and coordinated. Japans attack on China was a sneak attack as were their attacks on Korea, Russia and of course the USA. I don't see how they could possibly think they could be successful. ;)

Billy, I can understand why the Chinese are wary of the Japanese, given that they had a field day in Korea and China in the first half of the 20th century.

But surely you would not disagree with me on this: The Japanese have been a non-threat for over 50 years. They would have to alter their constitution (specifically Article 9) in order to go into serious attack mode.

Sure, some in Japan might like war. So do some in the US. And China. I would imagine there are quite a few people in your country that would like nothing more than to crush Taiwan like a bug. For that matter, I imagine many Chinese wanted Hong Kong and Macau back before 1997.

In the end, if a country really wants something, they'll go for it. And you'll probably see it building up before it happens. I'd say you're safe for now.

Japan still no say "SORRY" to China
 

Like German, they say sorry to the world, but the Japanese Gorvernment still visit their war leaders. The action make the asian people feel sad. We cna forgive them but they don't say say sorry to us. Many Japanese still ignore the Second World War in their history. I don't hate Japanese, only to hate the war-lovers and bad Japan government.

North Korea is a small problem for China
 

I think that the S and N Korea would become one in the future. i don't know why the NK save so many weapon rather than bulid their economy. We still have a good relations with them. I think they are not a big problem for China, but we must resolve it ASAP. They hope to get many free money from the US.

They are in the grip of bad people who are more worried about remaining in control than the starvation of their people.:(

Re: North Korea is a small problem for China
 

NK is not saving weapons. They are an exporter of weapons. Something like 25% of their international income is from weapons exports. How to wean a nation off of weapons when that is but the few successful industry they have?

It will be difficult. But weaning them off of weapons exporting is what Carter started when he negotiated an agreement that led to South Korea's Sunshine policy.

Need a missile? If US and Britian will not sell them AND will deny anyone else an opportunity to make the sale? Then go to North Korea. They make good missiles and will sell to anyone.

Goes even farther. To be a world exporter of better weapons, North Korea and Pakistan executed a secret agreement of technology trade. If the US was more honest, then Pakistan would also be on George Jr's list called the 'Axis of Evil' - that includes Iran and Iraq.

North Korea is a major weapons manufacturer. Therefore is evil. Pakistan did even worse. Took the world to brink of nuclear war and shared nuclear weapons technology with N Korea. So why is North Korea considered so dangerous but Pakistan is a close US friend? Ironic.