How is 2004 shaping up?
 

At this point, I have no idea who to vote for. The biggest error in foreign policy has already been made, so it becomes a question of repairing the damage.

Who are the choices?

GWB- big spending, protectionist, big government Republican being handled by the militarist neo-con wing of the party and the so-called Christian Right. He got us into this mess, he is not an option.

Howard Dean- reputation for fiscal responsibility, opposed the war, good on 2nd amendment, for good or ill seems committed to cleaning up our mess in Iraq. I don't see much possibility of a good outcome in Iraq but if we (meaning the poor bastards in the armed forces) are supposed to take responsibility for our governments errors...

Dennis Kucinich- voted against the war, willing to pull the troops right out, given an uncooperative Republican Congress might be an option, gonna be a big spender given half a chance.

Bomber of Belgrade not an option, very willing to casually committ our troops for fuzzy reasons.

L Neil Smith- good... unelectable

Ron Paul- voted no, rocks, won't run


Who do you people want?

Maybe I'll vote for a candidate who is against the DMCA. Have any of them stated their stance on that issue?

I'm still liking Dean. Smart and passionate. Fiscally responsible, socially liberal. For planned, supported, and just use of military.

Kucinich gets points for being bold. But his ideas are not practical or feasible. We cant pull the troups. We cant turn back the clock.

No offense Griff, but sounds like you're looking for somebody who's never done anything you don't like... you may want to just stay home on election day! :angel:

I haven't decided who I like yet. I can't stand Bush for many reasons so I will definitely not vote for him. But nobody on the Democratic side has won my support yet. In general I think that for the last 2-3 years the Dems have shown themselves to be a bunch of spineless wussies. I may just go after whichever one of them looks like he will take it hardest to the Republicans.

That would be Dr. Ron Paul :)

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I haven't decided who I like yet. I can't stand Bush for many reasons so I will definitely not vote for him. But nobody on the Democratic side has won my support yet. In general I think that for the last 2-3 years the Dems have shown themselves to be a bunch of spineless wussies. I may just go after whichever one of them looks like he will take it hardest to the Republicans.

I'm going for lowest body count. Whoever will kill the fewest of my fellow human beings wins. Identifying that guy is the difficulty.

I can't support anyone who would let AdanSmith into his state.;)

I'm waiting to see how Bush handles the "assault" weapons ban. The ban was to expire in 04 and supposedly W hasn't pushed either way on it only saying he'd sign anything(??) that came to his desk.

Not having a Democrat president, majority in the Senate or the House is very enjoyable personally. Especially after the Clinton reign.

Yes, I had lost tens of thousands of dollars in the stock market but would still rather have an R there than a D.

(commence flaming)

Much as I would LOVE to see Ron Paul run as well, I don't expect it to happen.

Wish more people were aware of him.

I'm leaning with Clark or Dean at the moment, with Sharpton as the dark horse...no pun intended. It's still too early though...I think I'll have my decision cemented by the end of the year.

slang, please take your medication...you're babbling again. :)

WHAT!?! Slang is babbling? You're the one talking about Sharpton.:eek:

Seeing is believing...watch the next Dem debate.

Scary but true. Rev. Al is the only one of the pack who is actually coming off looking like a candidate. (Waitaminute. I'm repeating myself. Again. there's something a couple posts down in the
Gephart thread

r vs. d
 

man, unless he does something monumentally stupid I'll vote Dean in the primaries. And even if he doesn't get the nomination I'll vote whichever democrat does. I'm not a democrat, and I'd love to vote my consciense, but the most important thing right now is to get W out of there. If he "wins" again I'm moving to Canada.

But you'll end up coming back across the border for your healthcare ...

Re: r vs. d
 

You'll be missed.

I can't tell if I'm being made fun of, so I'll take daves post as a compliment. Healthcare, maybe. cheaper drugs up there anyway, and the drug I'm most interested in is almost legal up there. So I'm goin, that's all there is to it!

It was sarcasm, because I read "If he 'wins' again I'm moving to Canada" as "I'm a big puss."

See, what you're doing is running from the problem. The country was founded on principles that you probably "believe" in - freedom, responsibility of government to the people, etc. So when you get the feeling things aren't looking up, you jump ship.

The country doesn't need babies like you. It needs strong people like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington who are willing to stand up when they think something is wrong and do something about it.

So yes, you'll be missed, in the same sense that I'll be sad when this fucking ringworm on my foot clears up.

Yeah...don't pull a Robert Altman...or even worse, an Alec Baldwin.

Besides, Canadians don't seem to care much for Americans these days...better work on those pronunciations.

re: dave
 

well, thanks for the reply dave. as to the actual content of your post, yes, maybe it's jumping ship, and maybe the country does need a jefferson or a washington. But I've voted, I've sent e-mails, I've called my representatives and senators, I've organized rallys. And nothings changed. So I guess that, should this ridiculous clown of a non-president get "elected" again, I can go on calling and waving signs and e-mailing. But I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the soundbyte politics coming from the only two sides that anyone recognizes, I'm sick of people thinking I'm a crackpot for professing the same ideals that founded this country. You think Jefferson and Washington never walked away! the hell they didn't! Jefferson spent the revolution in France. Where was the greatness then? And as to the general tone of the post: go to hell

Re: re: dave
 

And how you feel makes you just as "American" as anyone else. So what you want to leave? That's YOUR choice. Sometimes you get sick and tired of being sick and tired. Hell, sometimes I feel the same way. Actually, many Americans have done that (moved out of the country) more times that people are willing to realize. I mean, goddamn, as soon as someone says they want to leave the country, it's like the whole world is ending. :rolleyes: Wow, maybe America isn't as "all that" as many would love to think. And that's ok! America can't be all things to all people. So, if you want to leave, then by all means do so. It's your life and your right.

Rho and I just spent a half-hour debating greenian's comments...sheesh!

Greenian can leave America if he/she pleases. But change never comes easy in this country, and a lot of what we're fighting for now may not come to fruition until we're dead and gone. The threat of leaving for another country just sounds like a cop-out to me though, b/c there is still so much worth fighting for.

I'm not so sure about that. The neo-cons took over the government with no troubles. We never had a national debate about implementing their nutty agenda but here we are fighting their war with no sensible way out. All we have to do is run some rich simpleton and take over his government after he's elected.

I took Daves comments about Jefferson and Washington to mean that he wants greenian to foment armed revolution...

Yeah, but they've been salivating at the chance to enact that agenda for years. As I see it, 9/11 was the catalyst that spurred them into real action.

thank you lady sycamore. And I'm pretty sure it was an idle whimsy, I doubt I'd move. But man, Bush is an idiot! And his handlers (ala Cheney, Wolfowitz, and the rest) are some of the scariest bunch of lunatics ever to get into the white house. *side note* Condoleeza Rice had a Chevron oil tanker named after her before Bush got "elected" They changed it after they realized what a conflict of interest that might sound like.* I'm starting to think that the American people are just too shocked by the wackiness of the whole neo-con agenda to stand up and do anything. Voting is all we can do. So VOTE!!!!!!!!!

One troubling thing, to me anyway, my Democrat friends keep using the phrase "take back the government". The unmistakable implication is that it's full speed ahead with their version of the statist agenda no matter how close the election is. I have been toying with voting Dem this time around but I think I'll probably stick with the pointless protest vote.

I've been talking with a decent bright young Christian conservative about what he faces in his education classes. Needless to say diversity doesn't include him. In one class, his first assignment was an essay which was designed to reveal the religious and political backgrounds of all the students. He chose to be honest, so now when the prof and fellow students go on and on about how stupid Christans are during every class, he knows they mean him. We talk pretty frankly about politics and this guy will be a good civics teacher once he survives this. He understands tolerance, he was a minority white in an inner city school district. Sometimes I forget how intollerant the left can be when they have the power.

I guess you're not old enough to remember Jimmy Carter?

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