Carlie Brucia's body found
 

Carlie Brucia body found

So depressing. Even more so, when you saw the video of her abductor leading her away and you see the act happening. And now this.. she's dead.

Deep n Chilled :mad2:

I say we bring back cruel and unusual punishment. Not for its deterrent value but just to teach that bass turd a lesson he'll never forget.

I seriously hope he winds up sharing a jail cell with a 400 pounder named Tiny whose just lookin' for luv.

I pity her parents and shudder to think what her last hours were like.

I just want to give the girl's parents 30 minutes with him.

Alone.

No cameras.

He's handcuffed to a chair.

They get a table full of medieval weaponry and torture devices to choose from.

Hungry rat. Bucket. Candle.

He tried this before too, got him a false imprisonment acquittal...


"In the 1997 false imprisonment case, a 20-year-old woman in Bradenton said a man grabbed her as she walked by and tried to pull her away, according to records released by the Manatee County Sheriff's Office. "

Sounds pretty damn familiar. Someone want to be the first to say this could have been prevented?

It's the worst thing in the goddamn world, and what's worse? kids in this country are going to wind up put into rigid safety zones where they won't be trusted to walk through car washes, or anywhere at all for that matter, without being constantly overseen.

I don't know. When I was a kid, at age 13, my mom let me walk miles through the worst streets of Sheffield, and many blocks of some of the better streets of London, alone and sometimes carting an elite and expensive skateboard. And I was a foreigner!! She let me go to soccer matches with no-one but another 13-year-old, where we saw nothing less than full-out knife fights break out in the stands. At age 14 she let me walk about 30 blocks of Manhattan, alone, during nothing less than a fucking street festival on 42nd street circa 1978!

These were poor choices on the part of an otherwise over-protective mom. I was a cute and puny lad with no sense of how to deal with others and a rather complete trust of much of the world.

But it just goes to show you how far things have changed in terms of parental expectations in 30 years. Nowadays it would be assumed that I would be immediately snatched up and sold into slavery. Well not me now, I'm 40. Now I would probably have to pay to enter into such an arrangement.

Yep, it's hard to know where to draw the lines. I rode my bike all over the place in our small town/suburban environment when I was 10 or so. I know my wife & I are more protective than that, but I try not to go overboard. You can't live your life afraid to go out of your house.

Yeah, go to Center City. I think there's a club somewhere that will accomodate you.

Undertoad, I can relate to what you're saying. My parents used to always let me out without even as much as asking where I'm going. That is in countries where I didn't even yet know how to speak the language.

I Germany I rode around town on my bike at the age of 9 with out as much as half a clue on how to ask anything.

I showed up in Australia with 2nd level English when I was about 12 and went out alone to the mall etc.

It was always ok for me to hang out anywhere I liked as long as I got home by 11, later 3am.

The funny thing is, my parents bugged me more about where I was going as I got older, not the other way around. Maybe it was not my age that bothered them but thier concept of the saftey of the outside world.

But I don't consider those poor choices. I think they did the right thing. I think it taught me to be independent and know how to take care of myself.

With all due respect to the victim - but you never go along with a stranger. You never let people get THAT close to you. Just scream and run. It's not hard. It'll get all the attention you need and the guy won't do shit because he's not going to cut you open in the middle of the street.

It's horrible, but is it national news? To me, it's just big media scoring off a families tragedy, while pumping up the paranoia a bit. Our "local" news radio ran the story this morning while parents were waiting for school closing info. The local reporter then mumbled something about being a local news station with lots of local news. He sounded a bit annoyed but he'd better be careful about messing with Clear Channel.

As a kid if I fucked up any adult in town was ready to kick my ass, BUT those same people made sure I was safe.

I think the thing that made this particular abduction national news was the fact that it was observed on video. Plus, any snatched cute young girl who remains missing for *any* length of time automatically becomes national news. Just the way it is, I'm afraid. We all "care" in some way, and we follow this sort of thing with both a perverse curiosity right alongside a genuine hope for the well-being of the stolen child.

*I* have kids. That could have been one of mine. To witness the act in progress, then hear about the horrific outcome...it wrenches my guts. So I guess I *do* want to know about this story, much as it disgusts me to be aware of it.

There is no truly just punishment for this sick fuck, but I'm going to vote for this: we sell lottery tickets, all proceeds to go to the family and children's charities. The winner gets to perform the kicking shut of the car door with the guy's cock and balls in it. The car door is *almost* sharpened first, then allowed to rust. Then the girl's parents get to drive the car as fast they want down the highway while the guy is still stuck in the door. Cruel? Yup. Unusual? God, I hope so.

If we put it on pay per view, we could raise enough money to cure a lot of social ills.

Thanks...I needed to get all that out of my system. I now return you to your regularly scheduled all-too-sad reality.

Cruel and unusual...that phrase is interesting, in that we protect perpetrators of violent crime from the very thing they understand and respond to most.

Hell, let him go home. Forget all about him.
Her family knows who he is.:shotgun:

But I wonder what happened to the world... When I was young, we didn't talk about problems like that. Didn't they exist or what?

See Griff's post, Pi.

Firing squad anyone? :rattat::rattat::rattat:

What if they don't pin the target over his heart? Would that be better?

I live in Sarasota and believe me this is a tragedy, but the worst thing is we can't find out anything but the very barest of facts. I question why the Amber alert didn't go out sooner? She was abducted at 6:21 p.m. and her mother called the police at 6:30p.m..........seems like if they had posted amber alert immediately someone could very likely have seen them as it is that kind of town. We watch over our children and I worry that this will bring in the wrong type of element since it took so long.

It IS national news because it offers AWARENESS, plain and simple. If we didn't get the opportunity to hear about how easy it is for these psychos to take our children, we would be unable to protect our precious little ones. Teaching our children the latest techniques on how to keep this from happening. No matter how horrible and tragic, I find it valuable information in protecting my daughter.

My prayers go out to Carlie's family.
Aries872

A friend's 15-yo daughter is chronically scared to death of strangers.

She won't be one of the hundreds abducted; she'll be one of the millions whose childhood has been taken away by the scare stories.

Griff do you have young children that walk home from school or ride bikes to the 7-11 or go to the public library, frostie freeze, etc. If you do are you with them constantly? I have 5 grandchildren that were raised here in Sarasota and I often think of the times they walked the same area as Carlie and went to the big shopping center 3 blocks away. One of them is married now and lives 8 blocks from this atrocity's start, the carwash. Yes I definitely think this is news that helps remind parents and families to teach and remember it could have been my daughter, granddaughter, niece, sister, school chum, or it could have been me.

Well hopefully, she uses this fear to her advantage. I suffer from Panic Discorder and it certainly keeps me on my toes. But yes, in some ways it is unhealthy to dwell on things that may or may not happen. If she uses her fear constructively, she will hopefully be just fine. Just my opinion.

Aries872

I still think that all of this could have been prevented if the girl had just a bit of common sense...or a Benchmade Balisong.

Have you read _Protecting the Gift_ and/or _The Gift of Fear_, both by Gavin DeBecker? If not, you should.

I read a little about these books. This is what I meant about using her fear constructively. Since this has happened, I have been really stressing the importance of stranger awareness to my 8yr old. Any books that would help would be great. Thanks.

Aries872

I just looked at the Amazon page for that book. All I can say is, oh, that's just great -- start warning women 'maybe that quirky guy is really a rapist' just as I go back on the dating scene.

Just when you thought it was possible to break through someone's emotional shell. Thank you very much. Now I won't get laid until 2045 or whenever the planet is near decimation from the oil peak. :)

My morning's email contained a link to an editorial column on the child's murder.

In addition to containing a number of chilling statistics, the author notes, "The Justice Department concluded there were 115 kidnappings of this type in the United States in 1999. That's about one every three days, meaning that if every Carlie Brucia-type abduction were caught on videotape, cable networks could broadcast two a week. As it is, most go unreported nationally. It simply isn't big news anymore when a predator takes a kid." (emphasis added)

What's been unclear from the coverage is how quickly the information was released to the local news media ... since it's unlikely for someone to be transported great distances under these circumstances, local coverage has got to be a more effective crime fighting tool than national ... why spend manhours chasing down leads that the child may have been seen in Manhattan?

What bothers me intensely (I have a three and four year old) is that almost every one of these perps already has a conviction of some sort on his record.

Can't we figure out who these people are and at least keep an eye on them somehow? I know how unfair that might be to the unfairly labeled but do we need to bring up the risk-reward thing?

Before I had kids, I just shook my head when I heard about these things. Now, I actually lose sleep over them.

I do have young kids and am very careful about knowing where they are etc... I am also careful not to let my kids be terrorized by media hype. We should probably parse the statistics for those abductions and murders. Find out how old the abductees are, are the kids running away from home etc... Think about the number of times this happens versus the population of the country. I do think we need to lock up child molesters forever, but we live in a society that hypes one thing after another. This weeks Discover Magazine cover is hyping our planetary disaster of the week, methane hydrates. Everywhere we turn, its global warming, islamofascism, jobs going overseas, killer asteroids, drug fiends, racial fears,... LJ has a thread on this somewhere.

I don't minimize how appalling this event was for Sarasota, but for the rest of the country to get caught up in it is passing strange. Get a Neighborhood Watch set up and get to know your neighbors, build a community, do your best, but don't steal childhood from the children. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. Griff

I was reflecting on my reaction to this whole thing and I think I stumbled upon my core problem with media hysteria. We've been looking at locus of control as it relates to kids with learning disabilities. There is a tendency among these kids to believe that the things that happen to them are completely unrelated to what they're doing. The classic example is the kid that is always late to class. It's always the fault of other people or the system. It's never that he's stopping to see the girlfriend, get a soda, go to his locker etc... Anyway this is called an external locus of control, it breeds despair and subverts personal responsibility attacking the very core of our American value structure. I think that when media builds up these external terrors they are really attacking free society. We start looking to lawmakers to solve problems that can be addressed by the individual.

Yup...self-responsibility is the key to everything.

I blame the Christians, who started this whole "divine forgiveness" thing.

It's the fault of the Christian Church's teaching you can buy forgivness for anything.:(

Forgiveness and consequences can live together quite well. The whole Christian faith hinges on the fact that while there are earthly consequences for our actions, the eternal consequences were paid in advance by Jesus. The only caveat is, you have to redeem the coupon. God's not going to come up and shove it under your door.

One thing I see is a tendency of people to drag out the stocks and the pokers and such when something like this happens.

Bad idea. All that does is provide motivation for the sick fuckers to continue doing it.

Prosecute them, judge them and then punish them.

Take the guilty ones and line them up front to back 10 at a time and one bullet from this http://exit3.i-55.com/~suit/big_one/ ought to do it. 1:10 bullet to kill ratio. Cost effective, quick, and final.

That's true. I use e-mail now. God has to keep up with technology, it makes me more relatable.

Nice. Hangings in the public square would be good, too.

State judicial system: "...but with loud shouts they insistently demanded that he be crucified, and their shouts prevailed. So Pilate decided to grant their demand. He released the man who had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, the one they asked for, and surrendered Jesus to their will." -- Luke 23:24

God: "...if a man schemes and kills another...deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death." -- Exodus 21:14

I say let God have 'im.

Fine, kill the fucker and let God handle it from there on.