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cd exchange program
Tell me what you think about this:
pretty much everyone has a cd burner at this point, right? how could we exchange cd's that have our favorite songs on them....I have several of these discs that i've made with different songs on them. jinx did this with a much smaller group of her online friends, and they all made 5 copies of their favorites, and mailed them off to each other.....I just don;t know if that method would work here with so many of us. I kind of like the idea of getting a cd full of songs that you might not normally be attracted to because of your preconception of what that band is all about. I also think it would work best if the songs were not too main stream or current so that people wouldn't get a cd fullup with songs they've already heard. 3 ideas i have: 1. we post the song list from a cd we're willing to exchange, and negotiate trades individually. 2. we get x amount of people to commit to a swap, not knowing who's cd they'd get, ( like a secret santa or polyana) and then figure out a way to randomly match people up for a trade. 3. we could request a cd from someone specifically that we think might have some interesting taste, still not knowing what particular songs they'd give you. then we could review the cd's, and put up what we think it says about the person we got it from? too deep? |
Sigh. :( I know this will start a long and tiring argument, but even so.
Unless you are the author of the works you intend to exchange, doing as you have suggested is immoral. In addition, going about this online will likely get you a lawsuit from the recording industry people. |
these cd's would be strictly borrowed......for 100 years each
party pooper :D |
How did mixed tapes suddenly become immoral?
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We can argue the morality/legality of swapping songs until we are all blue in the face.
I know this isn't in the original three suggestions, but just list the songs on your "now playing" cd/mp3 player. Then everyone can aquire those songs in whatever manner they see fit. And yes, the current music promotion and distribution system is so broken, it makes the medical/insurance industry look like a well oiled machine. BTW: David Gray - Dead in the Water Phish - Dance Around the Room Dave Matthews - Save Me Jet - Are You Gonna be my Girl Sister Hazel - Champagne High Nickel Creek - Green & Gray Old 97's - Nineteen Janes Addiction - Jane Says (Live) Oukast - Hey Ya (not a word from anyone :D ) Everlast - Ends Eagles - Seven Bridges Road Fountains of Wayne - Staceys Mom Audioslave - Show me how to Live At least that's the stuff in heavy rotation atm. Master list has a few more on it *edit: the c and n keys should not be next to each other* |
Here's a mix cd I had in my car for a while. I apologize for the length. I can fit a lot of mp3s on one cd, though.
<center><hr width=20% noshade></center> Aerosmith - One Way Street (Unplugged).mp3 Ani Difranco - Pale Purple.mp3 Ani DiFranco - Buildings and Bridges.mp3 Beatles - Across The Universe (Psychedelic version).mp3 Beatles - Helter Skelter.mp3 Blind Melon - Change.mp3 Blind Melon - Tones Of Home.mp3 Blues Traveler - Bridge - 01 - Back in The Day.mp3 Blues Traveler - Run Around -unplugged.mp3 Blues Travelers - Hook.mp3 Bob Marley - Get Up Stand Up.mp3 Bob Marley - Jammin'.mp3 Bon Jovi - Keep The Faith.mp3 Bon Jovi - Midnight in Chelsea.mp3 Bon Jovi - Sad Song Night.mp3 colin hay - beautiful_world.mp3 colin hay - overkill.mp3 Crystal_Method_-_Vegas_-_Bad_Stone.mp3 Crystal_Method_-_Vegas_-_Keep_Hope_Alive.mp3 David Lee Roth - I'm Just A Gigolo.mp3 Dead Kenedys - California Über Alles.mp3 Dead Kennedys - MTV Get Off The Air.mp3 Dead Kennedys - Riot.mp3 Dead Kennedys - Soup Is Good Food.mp3 Faith No More - Epic.mp3 Faith No More - Woodpecker From Mars.mp3 Genesis - Jesus He Knows Me.mp3 Jimi_Hendrix_-_Blues_-_Catfish_Blues.mp3 Jimi_Hendrix_-_Blues_-_Jelly_292.mp3 Jimi_Hendrix_-_Blues_-_Voodoo_Chile_Blues.mp3 Jimmy Page and The Black Crows - Shake Your Money Maker.mp3 Jon Bon Jovi - Sad Song Night.mp3 Kiss_-_MTV_Unplugged_-_2,000_Man.mp3 Kiss_-_MTV_Unplugged_-_Comin_Home.mp3 Living Colour - Cult of Personality.mp3 Louis Armstrong & Duke Ellington - It Don't Mean A Thing.mp3 Metallica - Master of Puppets.mp3 Nirvana_-_MTV_Unplugged_In_New_York_-_Lake_Of_Fire.mp3 Phish - A Picture of Nectar - 13 - Chalk Dust Torture.mp3 Phish - Birds of a feather.mp3 phish - down with the disease.mp3 phish - first tube.mp3 Phish - Mike's Song.mp3 Pink_Floyd_-_Take_It_Back.mp3 Pink_Floyd_-_What_Do_You_Want_From_Me.mp3 Pixies - Wave of Mutilation [album v].mp3 prototype - transcendent_velocity.mp3 prototype - trinity.mp3 Queensryche - Empire.mp3 Queensryche - Screaming In Digital.mp3 Robben_Ford_-_The_Brother_(for_Jimmie_&_Stevie).mp3 Robben_Ford_-_You_Cut_Me_To_The_Bone.mp3 Rush-A_Show_of_Hands-04-Marathon.mp3 Rush_-_Counterparts_-_Cut_To_The_Chase.mp3 Rush-Power_Windows-5-Territories.mp3 Rush-Power_Windows-6-Middletown_Dreams.mp3 Rush-Roll_The_Bones-05-Wheres_My_Thing.mp3 Sam Cooke - Twistin' The Night Away.mp3 santana - black magic woman.mp3 santana & everlast - put your lights on.mp3 santana - evil ways.mp3 santana - oye como va.mp3 spocks_beard_-_gibberish.mp3 Steppenwolf - The Pusher.mp3 Stevie_Ray_Vaughan_-Texas_Flood-06-Rude_Mood.mp3 Stevie_Ray_Vaughan_-Texas_Flood-07-Mary_Had_A_Little_Lamb.mp3 Stevie Wonder - Superstition.mp3 Styx_-_Return_To_Paradise_Disc_2_-_Boat_On_The_River.mp3 Styx_-_Return_To_Paradise_Disc_2_-_Fooling_Yourself.mp3 Symphony X-The Odyssey-08-The Odyssey.mp3 tenacious d - cosmic shame.mp3 tenacious d - explosivo.mp3 tenacious d - rock your socks off.mp3 The_Doors-In_Concert_(Disc_One)-03-Alabama_Song.mp3 The_Doors-In_Concert_(Disc_One)-12-Break_On_Through_#2.mp3 The_Doors-In_Concert_(Disc_One)-16-The_Hill_Dwellers.mp3 The_Doors-Soundtrack_From_The_Movie-12-When_The_Musics_Over.mp3 The_Police-The_Classics-02-Cant_Stand_Losing_You.mp3 The_Police-The_Classics-06-De_Do_Do_Do,_De_Da_Da_Da.mp3 Tom_Petty_&_The_Heartbreakers_-_Greatest_Hits_-_Breakdown.mp3 Tom_Petty_-_Wildflowers_-_You_Wreck_Me.mp3 Van_Halen_-_Best_Of_Volume_1_-_Right_Now.mp3 Van_Halen_-_Best_Of_Volume_1_-_Unchained.mp3 Van Halen - Hot for Teacher.mp3 Van Halen - Ice Cream Man.mp3 Velvet Underground - Take a Walk on the Wild Side.mp3 Victor-Victor-04-Mr._X.mp3 Victor-Victor-08-Strip_And_Go_Naked.mp3 Who, The - My Generation.mp3 Who. The - Teenage Wasteland.mp3 Who, The - The Seeker.mp3 Yes_-_Fragile_-_Heart_of_the_Sunrise.mp3 Yes_-_Fragile_-_Long_Distance_Runaround.mp3 Yes-The_Ladder-07-To_Be_Alive_(Hep_Yadda).mp3 Yes-Union-07-Miracle_Of_Life.mp3 |
Sounds like a great idea LJ, you can count me in. I like to learn about new artists, but since I'm on slow dial up it's hard for me to get songs people just list, legal or otherwise. ;)
I tend to listen to mainly Johnny Cash, the man has such a diverse song inventory its easy to find something to fit whatever mood I'm in. Although Clutch (come on MF) is not bad for those 'I want to beat the living crap out of the next person the speaks' mood I sometimes get. |
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If you give a mix cd away, you have cheated the people/bands whose songs are on the cd. They deserve to make money on their creative works. Here's an analogy that may simplify the issue: I have a small shareware program that I sell for $10. I thought it up and spent the time to code it. People can try the limited version and if they like it they can send me the money to get an unlock key. Now suppose someone sends me the $10 and gets their unlock key. Then they make a copy of the software and give it to a friend along with the key. That's two people using my software. I should have made $20 and only made $10. It's the same thing for the guys who did all the songs on the mix tape. |
I used to really work at creating mix tapes, because there was so much good music that I wanted to get out to my friends. If they wanted to be on the list, they would get a tape; if they wanted off the list, they would not get one. I bought a good tape copying deck and "mastered" my mixes onto the highest quality cassettes.
Everybody on the list was really excited about it because it was a time when I was really paying attention and finding a lot of new bands that were awesome that nobody could hear unless I made a mix tape. I was sending out about 15 tapes every 6 months. 3-4 years previous, I had run my college's radio station, and I saw what was going on. Smaller labels pushing smaller bands would desperately PLEAD for this kind of attention, and would give it away routinely in order to promote. So I knew that what I was doing was moral. There was no question about it. My efforts probably sold a few hundred albums that otherwise wouldn't have been bought at all. Everyone in the chain, the artists, the management, the labels, and most of all the listeners, were served and benefitted from the arrangement. You want a challenge: build this same thing, but only use unsigned artists that are very very good. It will take longer to make the CD because those acts have to be hunted down. 9 out of 10 minor label acts are terrible. But the great ones do exist. Every good major label act has a few minor label releases in their catalogue... and every good major label act will eventually be dropped, and if they continue on, they will release on minor labels. And nobody will take you to court for doing this; instead they'll kiss you all over for doing it, and probably help you figure out how to make it all legal anyway, if you'll only keep promoting their music. |
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sorry. woke up grumpy. does a forum or website exist that caters to that kind of thing? one that, along with the talking about their music, has the ability to upload and play mp3 files. so that the bands can do what you described above......upload a song or three with pictures or videos linked in hopes that a talent scout or two would be listening? you could probably charge for the service, sell advertising to music stores, record labels, etc.... ...if you do this and get rich, i'd like some monetary consideration. and dar512, if that is your real name, since you have taken the position of morality cop on this particular thread, what is your morality radar telling you about the borrowing of said cds? Is it wrong for you to lend your neighbor the hedge clipper, when the manufacturer could have sold him one? are you cheating them? I think that as long as you are not turning a profit from the use of a product you have purchased that competes with the sales of the same product, you've done no real wrong. in efforts to assuage the fears of lawsuits that you have stirred up, thereby considerably deflating the fun level of this idea, i'd be willing to reduce the length of time these cd's are borrowed to 3 weeks. this is enough time for us to sample the music contained therein, and if we like it we can take our lovely money down to the record store and pay the 19.99 for a cd we really only know that we like one song from,so that the authors of said cd can earn their $.37 which is their legal and "rightful share" after all of the fucking money grubbing machinery of the record industry has picked over the carcass of the band's work. hmmmpfh! don;t let dar scare you people! i need more participants here....i dont want to have to listen to johnny cash. oh, and by the way, juju, i hope to christ that you had that song list somewhere that you were able to cut and paste it. damn. too much for me to read. i think the #2 or #3 idea is probably the best one. if we list the songs, it seems to takeall of the fun and mystery out of it. besides, sycamore already has that going on in the what's playing on the stereo thread. idea#4: like 2 and 3, but we create a "best of" cd that we can identify with personally. our lifetime alltime favorites. songs that have had meaning to us through the different phases of our lives. then whoever gets your cd can get to know you a little bit more. we could rotate these cds indefinately. check them out like library books. use a thread like this one to keep track of who has who;s cd at the moment ( wow, i just got Luvbugz's cd from undertoad, and it's full of strawberry shortcake theme songs, and liza monelli? who wants it next? ) OR "I just got FnF's collection from Arsen, and goddamn, that guy's twisted. you gotta hear this cd! it gave me nightmares!" I feel very strongly that a person's taste in music says a lot about them. it divided us in high school. right? punkers, metal heads, new wave fags, etc..... c'mon, people, i wanna do this. who's with me? |
I'm in.
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And BTW, itsaboutmusic.com is a client of mine. This is exactly what you describe LJ. The bands pay to be on it but it's both a showcase and an official online store for acts, taking care of a lot of the BS. (We're working on a download store)
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Great idea, LJ! I am all over this one.
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crap. this means i'm going to have to get the tub o' CDs out of the pile ... I sure as shit hope it's above the tub o' videotapes. that mutherfucker's heavy.
I'm liking the idea here ... |
ok, i guess we should start making our cd's, and ironing out particulars?
which method sounds the most interesting? |
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Yeah, do ya get it:D
Anyway's, as you just discovered somebody jumped the gun on your idea, I had a similar experience. I fantasised about creating a single wheel motorcycle. The type where you sit inside the wheel. Imagine my disgust when I happened upon it on the net, not as an idea but a fully worked up prototype. :mad: Here's my "get it" analogy. If I loan my neighbour my hedge trimmer he/she's unlikely to clone it. |
...And then comically used in a South Park episode!
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And actually LJ, if you guys pay me to develop the site, you can have the idea too. There's nothing outrageously difficult about it - it just takes time to put together.
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Sorry...I'm a Who purist. That being said, this was funny. |
Count me in. Yet another good idea by Lj
Maybe this will be the incentive I need to convert my vinyl to bits and bytes. Oh, and on a related note, some lady in NJ is suing the RIAA under the RICO statutes. WoooHooo!! |
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So to answer your question - if you loan a cd, song, whatever to someone and you don't listen to the cd, song, whatever while it's gone, I think that is ethically moral. The RIAA might still hassle you about it, but I wouldn't. If you make a copy of the cd before loaning it, and you both listen to it during that same period, then that's wrong. Quote:
I think you can work this ethically, if people are willing to put away the cds that the music originally came from while their favorites collection is out on loan. |
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kate ~/foo</blockquote>And then I copy-and-pasted. Simple. |
FWIW, on a couple of drunken weekends recently I ripped 130ish cds (I owned them all, mostly 80s stuff I used to buy), d/l track info and ftp'd em to a modified XBOX...it sucked but I now have 1700+ tracks on that bad boy along with all my home video and a few thousund digital/scanned photos....all a few game controller button clicks away.
I would highly recomend this to anyone interested, cost me $120 for a used XBOX, $80 for a 120G hard drive, lots of research time and a case of beer last Halloween. |
so if we made only one best of cd, and it circulated around to the people who were interested in it, and reserved it, we would not be able to listen to it simultaneously, right? what if we happen to hear one of the songs on the radio????? :eek:
i have better taste in music than jim does, btw. |
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:D sorry, couldn't resist. |
Anyone have any darker trance type music?
I will look through our collection also, and put out a list of possibilities. |
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"Eppur si muove." |
Its the scale and the performance pressure involved in this proposal that makes me jitter.
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I pity the fool who gets my CD. :)
I'm game. |
Too big for me, I'm out.
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ok, so far we have: JnGeorge UT Case Wolf Beestie Sycamore Lumberjim who else? |
I'll sign up only if I get to send lumberjim some of my favorite opera & classical music tracks!!! :violin:
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I have boycotted RIAA CDs for months now because of their bullshit.
I think artists (musicians, writers, producers, etc) should be rewarded for their work. I even think that the record companies should be compensated for their effort (talent scouting, studio time, marketing, packaging, media, etc), and make a fair profit from the effort. And retailers should have their expenses covered, plus make a profit. As it stands today, retailers do OK, the artists get a pittance, and record label makes out like bandit. The RIAA represents an ugly oligopoly. The companies that make up the RIAA control the majority of the music on the American market, and conspire to keep prices high, pocketing much of the profits themselves. They then sue file-sharers, claiming to be righteously fighting for their artists. They want to be able to delete "illegal" MP3s from my hard drive remotely, with no concern whether I might have pulled them off of legitimately purchsed CDs. They want to cause physical damage to my computer if they decide, without oversight, that I possess illegal music files. They want to prevent me from making mix CDs, for personal use or otherwise, by adding copy-protection to all the CDs on the market... which would also prevent me from using a portable MP3 player, making backups of my music in case of a scratched CD, etc. I have little regard for the rights of an entity who has so little regard for mine. Fuck 'em. Let the burning begin. |
I wasn't paying attention
Wait, fuck..what are we supposed to do?
I was being lazy, am I to make my own greatest hits CD, mail it to one of you and I get one and then we go round and round? If so I'M IN BABY...that sounds really cool! |
Just to clarify, correct me if I am wrong. I create one CD for each person participating, and get one back from each person.
Count me in! I like classical, international, techno/trance, and alternative, so I'll just throw in a little of each. |
If Slarti has this right, it's a good thing I bought a lot of blanks recently.
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I'm just guessing but I was assuming that we all made a cd and then sent it to "the person on our right." I then receive a CD from the person on my left. After a week or two, we have had time to review the CD to decide *cough* if we want to buy the original or not *cough* and send the CD we received to the person on our right. Eventually, we get to listen to a CD from each member per round.
Its like we are all in a circle and there is one CD for each person in the circle. The CDs keep moving one person to the left until everyone has heard each one. Is this correct or am I standing out in left field at 3:00 am with my glove on again? I do that a lot you know :-) Also, it seems that one concept for what's on the CD is a collection of everyone's favorite songs over their life. That's a great idea. I also wouldn't mind a greatest hits anthology from everyone's favorite artist. Just random thoughts... |
Logistics now damn....I also would like to suggest/contribute a song list and comments on why it's on your top 10. After all it's more meaningful if you knew who it came from and why.
Also a label and mailing address, i.e. the LUMBERJIM MIX, return/forward too: Cmon LJ, lets get yer ass in gear here...I also want a Return On Investment statement no later than 9:09pm tonight, don't forget your TPS reports. |
ok ok sorry i'm late.
beestie has detailed what i had intended. I think making 11 or 12 copies of a cd is cost prohibitive, and more indicative of immoral intent. wouldn't want to upset the dar512 faction..... on that note, if you want to participate in this, but dont want to be publicly seen doing so, send me a pm, and i'll assign you a "stage name" like " anon1" and we'll use that name for everything posted publicly. so if we are to use the rotation method, we will only need to keep one person's address. the person on your right. if someone new joins the fray, we'll need to adjust. we need to agree on the particulars. i like the idea of a lifetime favorites disc. we can do this more than once, if we want to do other themes, too. I would propose, also that we not divulge online what our discs contain apart from genre and general mood related information if you are so inclined. just for fun (and to avoid catching the eye of someone personally vested in a song or artist). i think the person's name( your real name if you are anon*) ((we'll all agree not to out you )) and a song list with artist info should be included, but i think the why's and wherefore's should be optional.....don't want warch to feel too much pressure.....i think i might have a hard time with that, too. ( some songs i've just always liked, and would be hard pressed to say why) AND for the record, we all promise not to make illegal copies of said discs, AND not to listen to our original copies of these songs except for between 12 am and 1 am, at which time everyone else agrees not to listen to the best of discs. ( this will eliminate the possibility of simultaneous listening infringement or SLI I would like to thank dar for his help in keeping this a moral an legal enterprise. i would also like to invite him to join us. cmon, you can be "anon512". |
You can count me in.
Damn have to break into the CD burning equipment again, been awhile. |
how does march 1st sound for a start date?
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ok, so far we have:
JnGeorge UT Case Wolf Beestie Sycamore Lumberjim blue58 stevedallas H_P Slarti Cam Conspicuoulsy absent: Elspode xoxoxoBruce OnyxCougar Jinx ( I'm working on it) lets wait for more entries until Monday sometime, then we'll come up with a rotation order somehow that randomizes the order of the above list. then, assuming no one is opposed, we'll have about a week to get our cd's together, and exchange adresses with the people we need to exchange with. any thing i forgot? objections? improvements? ETA: lets trim the time with a person's collection to 2 weeks, ok? |
I'm seriously not sure I have the time to dedicate to burning and mailing that many CDs.
Still considering it, though. |
it's only one cd every two weeks. read beestie's post :
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OK, I'm on board...I like the 'lifetime of favorite songs' scheme best. Silly me, but I always feel like knowing what a person finds meaning and enjoyment in musically is like opening a door to the soul somehow. Therefore, getting that sort of compilation from other Cellarites in turn would, IMHO, tend to let us get to know one another a bit more truly.
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I like that idea also.
LJ ... how's about putting together the mailing list by having people PM you ... then you can PM or email it to the rest of us. I won't post my address info direct to the board. I'm not unconcerned about people like FnF is ... |
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Well, shit...now I'm having trouble keeping my list down to one CD's worth.
I'm a lazy bastard, so my CD is going to be made up of MP3's converted back to .wavs... |
I don't intend to put up my favorite songs, I intend to dominate the "downtempo" category. All of my songs will be slow and wil take you by surprise.
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For those that don't remember what they were like: La-dee-da-dum-dum-KA_CHUNK_KLADANK-dee-da-da-doo. |
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ok, so far we have: JnGeorge UT Case Wolf Beestie Sycamore Lumberjim blue58 stevedallas H_P Slarti Cam Elspode jinx I forgot juju, are you in or out, bud? |
Splode brought up an intresting point . What format do we do this in ?? You can fit 12-15 CD quality songs on a disk (most ANY body can figuer out how to play these ) , you can fit 150-200 .MP3 on a disk ( these are harder to play if you don't know what a .mp3 is and YES there are some folks that don't ) .
This sounds like fun . It sounds like its time to break out some of my old casste tapes and LPs and start burning . Does any body know were i can get a drive belt for an Akai GX-F44R tape deck , and a replacement cartrage ( needle ) for a Technics SL-10 turntable ? The turn table works fine , but the tape deck is shot . |
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