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What do you think about the Gay Marriage

I happened to see one gay marriage pic fron the web. I think the Gay should have their right to have the normal life as us. But it is very diffficult for Many Chinese to recieve the idea. I know that there are many gay people in China now. They are discriminated in law and social life. It is a sensitive topic in China. One my workmate was fired for the thing. He was a supervisor in my company. He loved and had sex with a lower leve straight man who want to get a higher position. The later guy appealed it to company after he got the position. So all company knew the supervisor gay and speak bad to him. finally, he was fired. The thing has the heavy influence in company.

I know it is more open in the west. The gays have tried to strive for the freedorm as the heterosexual people. What do you think about it?

Billy, we talked this over pretty well here but I was very interested to read what's going on over there. So your company has set a policy against homosexuals? Did they put it in writing? Are other companies doing the same thing?

Re: What do you think about the Gay Marriage

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Originally posted by Billy
I know it is open in the west. The gay have freedorm as the heterosexual people.

No they don't. Not yet. But they're trying, and so are many of the rest of us.

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
So your company has set a policy against homosexuals? Did they put it in writing? Are other companies doing the same thing?

The company don't set the plociy in rule. I heard the similar things in other companies.

This is clearly a human rights issue, as far as I'm concerned. I believe that the mayor of San Francisco asked why can't gay and lesbian couples be entitled to the same rights as a married couple as he and his wife?

I have yet to hear the answer to THAT question. :mad:

'INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE' Martin Luther King, Jr.

I look at it this way...

They're 'first class citizens' when it comes to all the stuff that the rest of us have to do...pay taxes, etc...but when it comes to those things that are needed to protect the one that you love...they become second class citizens...

Don't we have more important things to worry about than if Steve and Earl get married?

Like the millions of illegal immigrants that are in this country?
Our messed up health care system that is about as far from logic as one can get...(Ie state funded health care plans that will pay for viagra, but not birth control)
The fact that there are hundreds (if not thousands) of teachers, teaching the leaders of tomorrow, and they can barely write a proposal for funding, making sure the grammar is correct, and using the handy new tool...spell check.

I think it's a case of 'the squeaky wheel gets the grease'...and the Fundamental Xtian right seems to be yelling quite loudly...
If more people who disagreed with those views got of their arse and voted, the 'powers that be' would actually be concerned with being voted out of office if they didn't please the constituents.

My own personal opinion...if you don't vote, you have no right to bitch about the handbasket we're in - or the side trip to hell we're taking.

Dagney

Billy, sometimes it seems (to me) that people in other countries believe that Americans tolerate homosexuality more than we actually do. I'm not trying to say that YOU specifically make me think that... but America definitely has people on both sides of the issue.

Then again, with some of the things that the current government says, maybe people in other countries don't think we're so... accepting... anymore. :rolleyes:

At any rate, I'd like everyone's opinion on this idea (which I've gotta credit to a friend of mine)... I apologize if it was already brought up in the other gay marriage thread...

What if the government did NOTHING but civil unions... whether for gay or straight people? And MARRIAGE was purely something done by the church?

Then, for all government matters, everyone would be equal. (It should therefore become illegal to discriminate against married gays, because that would be a religion-related status.) Gays could still marry, provided they went to a church which would marry them (and these already exist... Unitarian, etc.).

In other words, separation of marriage and state. Opinions?

The thing is very sensitive in China. In 2001, Mao Ning, one China Singing Idol, was found that he had some Money Boys by the media. Mao did not give his sex partners money and beat them. So the repoters cannot understand the things and tracked the stories. So they showed the stories in ewspaper. Then almost of Chinese Media criticized the homosexuality. Mao stopped his singing for that.

Wonderbat, the problem is marriage is intrinsic to so many of our laws. It would mean a major revamping of the law library.

welcome purple muffs

This is my girlfriend and I, Americans. George W Bush can suck my Tinky Winky.

try that again. but make it smaller

Would you marry with your partner if you was a gay?

purplemuffs, it's too large... if you want you can email me the pic and I will reduce it and post it.

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Wonderbat, the problem is marriage is intrinsic to so many of our laws. It would mean a major revamping of the law library.

...or an amendment, maybe? But seriously...

In this day and age, you'd think we could just do a Find and Replace, 'civil union' for 'marriage'. OK, in actual real seriousness, yeah, I do realize it's not really that simple, but it seems like a concept that could at least be worked with. And nobody's still said whether they're philosophically/religiously opposed to it...

And Billy, I'm not sure who you were asking about marrying if we were gay... I guess if I were, and I wanted to marry my partner, then I might have run off to a city where they are marrying gays and done it. I know a few people in real life who did, in San Francisco on Valentine's Day.

Don't the religious right realize they could stop gay sex simply by allowing gay marriage?! OK, with that terrible throwback to 1950s (attempted) humor, I conclude this scattershot post.

I heard that many Chinese gays live together, but they have no legal right to protect their lives. They suffer from the heavy social pressure. I guess that the China law will not permit the homosex people to marry in the coming 10 years.

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Originally posted by Wonderbat

Don't the religious right realize they could stop gay sex simply by allowing gay marriage?! OK, with that terrible throwback to 1950s (attempted) humor, I conclude this scattershot post.

In the gay marriage thread, I said it was about time gays could enjoy divorce.;)

Gay marriage is spreading like a slow but steady fire...

--San Francisco
--Sandoval County, NM
--New Paltz, NY
--Multnomah County, OR
--Asbury Park, NJ

Places considering it/talking about it:

--Chicago
--Seattle
--New York
--Massachusetts

John Street is still under FBI scrutiny...what better way to further piss off the Feds than by allowing gay marriage in Philadelphia.

Ya know, if this keeps up, and Joe Blow sees how "damaging" this is to him as a straight person, the tide could turn...

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
In the gay marriage thread, I said it was about time gays could enjoy divorce.;)

My brother starts law school in the fall... says he smells opportunity. :) Well moneyed demographic.

Excellent thoughts about gay marriage/rights

While I was on an Anne Rice fan newsgroup, the following transcript was posted (it was a phone message from the author):

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"Hello Guys,

This is nearing the end of February 2004. This is an extemporaneous message and
probably won't appear in this form on my website. I will correct this in the
near future with a longer message after I've had a chance to correct my
thoughts in writing, but I felt it was important to make these two statements
now. First I want to thank you for all of your messages and I want to thank you
for the letters that I've been getting about Blood Canticle and the book, all
of that is very much appreciated. Now, let me go on to the issues at hand. I
think that the President of the United States has made a dreadful mistake in
asking for a constitutional amendment to define marriage as between a man and a
woman. This is a terrible error and should be protested in letters to your
congressmen and letters to the White House. Gay marriage, or marriage between
people of the same gender, is part of the civil rights revolution that has been
going on for almost 200 years. That revolution has seen an end to slavery, it
has seen the end of segregation in this country, it has seen the accomplishment
of the vote for women, it has seen equal rights for women, and now we are
moving on to see equal rights for gay people. This is inevitable and this is
important and this is the most important revolution of our time. We cannot have
a step backwards by having an amendment to the constitution that discriminates
against people and denies them their rights. The idea that gay marriage is a
threat to heterosexual marriage is preposterous. The problem just doesn't
exist, and better people than I have made that statement and it is really true.
Once we accepted gay people, once we accepted the fact that they can be
teachers, they can be soldiers, they can be part of our community, they can be
bishops, they can be part of us, as I've said, the die was cast, they have to
have equal rights. We have to realize that we have accepted them, that we have
opened our arms to them as a community, that we recognize now that they want to
be part of the community. How in the world can we say that they cannot sanctify
their unions? These people want to step up before God and the tribe, before
their kith and their kin and they want to take vows. This is a good thing and
should be rewarded. Heterosexuals have made a mockery of marriage anyway. They
have done it with rapid-fire divorces in Las Vegas and Mexico, they have done
it with TV shows that focus on marriage as commercial entertainment, they have
done it with no-fault divorce, they have done it with people who get married
three and four and five times, they have done it in every conceivable way. To
act as if heterosexual marriage was some sort of sacrosanct institution that
has not already been weakened from all sides is utterly preposterous and these
gay people are good people. We as Christians, as Jews, as Buddhists, as Hindus,
as Islamic's, we have to open our arms to them, we have to recognize that they
want to be full-fledged members of our community. We have to do this and again
it is part of the civil rights revolution that has been going on for a long
time. We are certainly not going to be able to take backwards steps in this. We
have to realize that what is being done in San Francisco is a laudable thing.
We have to remember the antisegregation days and how people spoke-out against
the segregation laws and did things that became part of history. The same is
happening now with regard to gay marriage and gay rights. It's very
significant."

*applauds* Well said! :)

Purplemuffs sent along her image for resizing and posting.

http://cellar.org/2004/purplemuffs.jpg

She and her beau have beautiful eyes.

what interested most was Billy's pic. How come that those two guys had two babies? Twins?

In the picture...I'm on the right and my girlfriend/ fiancee Celeste is on the left...half hidden. We are 2 of the new faces of gay marriage!!!

Congrats, and good luck.

The good part is the happiness, which is right there in the photo, and no-one can deny.

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Originally posted by Undertoad
The good part is the happiness, which is right there in the photo, and no-one can deny.

Nor should they legislate. Congrats!! :D

I am also intersted on it. Maybe they adopte the Children. It is so bad that the CA would stop the homosex marriege.

The issue is down for the moment, but not dead by a long shot. Pandora's Box has already been opened, and I'd like to see someone try to close it. Not even Massachusetts could completely shut the issue down.

And here is how open the box is.

Interesting...more gay marriages have taken place in the States in 3 months (6100) than in the Netherlands over the past 3 years (5700).

It's a start...and I imagine that more gay couples would get married if they knew they didn't have to worry about their marriage being invalidated.

Syc, The Netherlands is only a little bigger than Maryland, though. . .

Population or surface area?

I was looking at surface area. . .

Population of the Netherlands is aroundabout 16 million.
Population in New York State is somewhere around 18 million.