Is Kerry really electable?
 

Does it matter?

I think the Dems really goofed here. They got behind Kerry because they think he'll pull war hero votes. Thing is post 9-11 voters don't care about Bushes dubious fly boy record. They want dead Arabs because we'll be safer after we scare people who cut up their own children's heads. Guess what, we can't scare these people.

The Dems had the opportunity to disavow the whole Iraq mess with Dean. Kerry is Bush-lite. The DLC endorses virtually the same policies as the PNAC. A vote for Kerry win or lose does not matter. If he wins, we'll get the same policies delivered in a less offensive manner.

Ralph? Hey, great to see you again Ralph. You haven't even started, and you're pulling a 6 already!

I'll agree that Kerry wasn't a great choice out of the primary, but even so, Bush-lite is better than Bush-heavy. And Kerry won't have Ashcroft, Cheney, Rove, Perle, Rumsfeld, etc.

I've been having the same questions.

Why are people voting for Kerry? As far as I can figure out, he didn't have momentum until an opinion poll stated that he could beat Bush by a thin margin.. then he just started winning primaries.

I call bullshit. Half those fuckers have been around since Eisenhower, they just move around, up and down and sideways. The only way to get rid on them is public execution. *waits for the nice men in black suits to arrive*

While your method is more permanent, Clinton didn't have them in positions of power, and neither would Kerry. And if not for Bush, Ashcroft would have ended his political career in disgrace (lost an election to a dead guy).

Because of Bush, Ashcroft is ending hiscareer in disgrace.;)

Re: Is Kerry really electable?
 

I will agree that electing Kerry will not mean an immediate end to the war in Iraq, or an immediate end to outsourcing. What it should mean is a better stance on the environment. Also, it should mean better relations with any other country in the world because Bush's foreign policy is a mess. There may be a few 'evil' countries in the world which it is acceptable to deal with through intimidation, but the other 100+ are allies or neutral countries who we have alienated.

The Bush administration will never back off from a mistake. Judging from their handling of the 9/11 campaign ad, they are fundamentally opposed to ever admitting they were wrong. We need someone, especially someone from an opposition party, who can come in and say 'OK, this was f**d up, lets fix it'.

Kerry and Bush both went to Yale, they both come from political families. They both belonged to the same secret society (Skull and Bones).

However, he was privileged and could have ducked actual in-country service Vietnam the way Bush and Clinton did. Instead he decided to follow in JFK's footsteps (JFK is also Kerrys initials) and volunteered for swift boats, which resemble the PT boats Kennedy served on.

GW Bush wanted to follow in his daddy's footsteps. Kerry wants to follow in Kennedy's.

Bush screwed up and can't seem to get his point across. Kerry got 3 medals and from the very start was able to master the dual art of assessing a situation and getting it to fit into a sound bite. His "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" statement is something that Bush will never be able to comprehend.

I don't like the idea of Kerry as much as I liked the idea of Dean, since Kerry is an insider. Unfortunately, the prettiest flowers aren't necessarily the ones that survive.

After Kerry's first term, if the Republicans can finally pick an intelligent moderate candidate, or some interesting independent, Green, or Libertarian candidate comes forward, I might consider not voting Democratic.


Kerry's 1971 Testimony before Congress

While still surprised at the amazing rise of Kerry, and while some of his stances and Senate stuff concern me, I have to go with the least of the evils. Therefore, I am more than happy to vote for John Kerry in April and November.

I'll be voting for Bush in April.

Hahahaha... is anybody else on the ballot? And when did you register as a Republican?

I was pulling for Howard, but I'll cast one more for Kerry.

Bush and April deserve each other.

OK, I just couldn't resist. I actually never had much of a problem with April, so I wouldn't wish Bush on her.

I was resolved to Bush until he tried to fly that marriage amendment nonsense. Yes I know Bush sucked, but I'm uncomfortable changing captains in the middle of a race, so to speak. But I'll agree that Kerry is Bush light so it more like letting the asst. coach take over than changing captains entirely.

Oh bullshit, that sounds like something Gore would say then sit back, do nothing, and hope for the best.

I for one do want to see dead Arabs, we know who our enemies are. I have a lot of problems with Bush myself, but at least he has the balls to go after them.

You know you can't truly defend against terrorism, I really believe the ONLY option is to go after them first. And for the ones you don't kill, at least instead of having all the time, mney & freedom in the world to plot their shit, hopefully they spend their days just trying to survive.

I don't mean any offense to democrats, muslims, Arabs or any of you here personally, but I don't think we can afford to be wishy washy with these fuckers.

I don't remember... I guess I probably switched (from L) around 2000.

I'd go independent to make a stand, but since you can't vote in the primaries, and since most of the local Rs get elected around this zone, I'm R for the time being. If I lived in town I'd go D.

Yes, I'm certainly glad we fine citizens of Pennsylvania will be able to make our voices heard in choosing a Democratic presidential candidate. We have so much influence, with a late April primary....

Let you in on a secret... Iraq had nothing, NOTHING to do with 9-11. Bush's pals :doit: in Saudi Arabia did the job. Yes, we killed some Arabs so NASCAR lovin meatheads could feel like we got our revenge, but that little game hasn't really paid off now that the constitutional fig leaf has blown off. It's time for Republicans to freaking wake up to the fact that Shrub is no conservative.

edit: Arabs Persians whatever...they're all the same to American imperialists.

"This country has traditionally been made better and stronger by the dialectic that occurs between the right and the left, but the right have gone so egregiously far off center that they've become a liability to themselves and to this country."
--Moby

Hey! Sharpton still has a chance!

But they are far off center. That's why they're (we're) the right.

I don't get it ...

People, people...when will you learn that it simply doesn't *matter* who we elect.

Bush is a moron, and you can't trust morons, because they don't understand what they're doing.

Kerry is a Catholic with a taste for a hairstyle more suited to a Baptist preacher. If he doesn't have good hair sense, how can he run the country?

I'm going to base my choice on the pronunciation of the the word "nuclear".

Bush the moron has, by not-fully-explained-means, managed to get the shell of a democracy-friendly government in the heart of the middle east. The hardline Shia faction in Iran will have a fairly secular buffer between them and the rest of the region - a stabilizing influence, no? And as long as we keep each other happy, we get to stage out of baghdad when eating syria's lunch.

That's where the WMD's are, you know. Those that they couldn't get to Lebanon and Libya for laundering.

Kerry's record will speak for itself. I think it's too liberal for our country, and I think a majority of people who are hanging their hopes on Kerry to beat Bush in 11.04 are gonna have to fire up their microbusses and make a peace train out to D.C. JK gonna need the support of his friends.

Government works best when politicians meet in the center. The politicians on the Right have moved away from that center.

Um...well...I really don't think hair (or lack of) should enter into it.:rolleyes:

The democracy shell is there for now. The Shia are apparently accepting the constitution...let's see what happens after we hand over the reins.

Or, maybe they're in Canada...or Zimbabwe...or under the White House...

The real race has just begun...and I imagine there are a lot of people where the "liberal" record of John Kerry isn't that big of a deal. And some (maybe many) will recognize that he represents a fairly liberal state. What he's done in the Senate doesn't necessarily translate to what he might do in the presidency. I think there are a lot of liberals and moderates (and probably some fiscal conservatives) who don't like the direction of the country under Republican executive and Republican legislative branches of government, and are ready for a change.

I'm waiting for my Kerry bumper stickers to arrive by mail...I'm sure his campaign will start hitting me up for money soon. :)

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I would vote Bush.
We have seven states here with 'independent' government but overruled by federal laws. The good ole USA is no different. Why should the world turn without an ultimate set of laws. We can't function as a country without them so why should we expect the globe to differ.
Yeah, I know, I'm, yet again, oversimplifying but that's often a pseudonym for 'the bottom line'.
I would be content, not happy, content with a world government. Bush is aware of this need. He can hardly be expected to produce the perfect model but he's on the right track.
The "other 100+" countries allegedly alienated is simply a bunch of irrelevant folk who feel perfectly safe dissenting. The man doesn't drop on those who don't need droppin' on. Why would he?
He was ferociously heckled when he adressed Aus parliament last year and his response?
" This is why I love free speech"
Does anybody truly believe Dubyaisms are for real. Maybe the first one coulda possibly slipped through the spin machine but, honestly, nucular? If you want votes you gotta tap into the lowest denominator. The 'machine' knows this.
He may not be the smartest leader but he's not so dumb as to assume he's got all the answers. He's happy to listen to smarter people.

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Actually, I have heard him pronounce 'noo-kyoo-leer'. I personally don't give a damn about that, considering it just a regional variant.

As far as him listening to 'smarter people', my opinion is that he only listens to smarter people who reinforce his biases. In other words, "yes" men.

I am becoming more of an anti-federalist lately. Not really a Libertarian, but with a belief that beyond the core constitutional issues like civil rights, defense, and national infrastruture, the feds should pay more attention to the 10th amendment and allow for differences between states, as long as they do not infringe on personal liberties.

I like the idea that people can go to Mobile, Alabama and have a different experience than people who go to San Francisco.

I don't like activist liberals who pass laws telling people how to act. I really don't like activist conservatives who pass laws telling people how to act.

Once Bush starting flummering about a 'Marriage Amendment", I knew that he had lost it.