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Kikoo 04-07-2004 12:30 PM

God save the Queen
 
I'm french and i have read somewhere that the French are jalous of the English because they have a queen
i would like to restore the truth and say it 's not true !!
we know the English are proud of their queen but we don't have queen or king (the last has been beheaded in 1793 :p) and we are happy like that
For the French, it's impossible to imagine to have a queen or a king: we have a complex history which explains that situation that we are "anti-queen" or "anti-king":D

jaguar 04-07-2004 12:41 PM

Considering last I checked, massive support for the secular republic, I find this a little far fetched. Any sources?

russotto 04-07-2004 12:42 PM

Err, your last king was not Louis XVI, beheaded in 1793. There was Louis XVII, Charles X, and Louis-Philippe.

Undertoad 04-07-2004 12:52 PM

You should be jealous that they managed to turn the outdated government into a remarkable tourist attraction... without even spilling a lot of blood. Say what you will about the British, they are always polite about things.

Happy Monkey 04-07-2004 01:08 PM

Perhaps on their island. Not so much anywhere else.

jaguar 04-07-2004 01:18 PM

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Say what you will about the British, they are always polite about things.
Are you familiar with the sport of soccer?

Kikoo 04-07-2004 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by russotto
Err, your last king was not Louis XVI, beheaded in 1793. There was Louis XVII, Charles X, and Louis-Philippe.
of course but they were powerless than Louis XVI and they didn't stay on the throne a long time
Louis-Philippe was the last, after, there was 2 emperors (Napoleon I and LNB of course) and others things i have forgotten, it's very complex
but, how do you know that ?? you learn that at school ??

@Jaguar: the source is the sun, i'm not sure (it was said that the Parisians were sort of groopies and wanted to see the queen because they envie the British, they were just curious and most of them saw her hat ;) )

@Undertoad: the monarchy is very expensive for the British
English polite ??! hypocritical sometimes (i'm maybe wrong but it's my opinion)

be-bop 04-07-2004 06:15 PM

God save the Queen
 
Are you familiar with the sport of soccer?

Hey Jag What's impolite about soccer?

Undertoad 04-07-2004 06:34 PM

The fans!

marichiko 04-07-2004 07:07 PM

Ummm, why are you asking Americans about this, anyhow? Last time I checked we didn't have a royal family here, although our politicians can be royal pains in the behind. Is the queen still alive? She's got those cute little corgi's. This being the land of opportunity, I went out and got a corgi of my very own. I now treat him like a king.

Elspode 04-07-2004 10:26 PM

Re: God save the Queen
 
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Originally posted by Kikoo
we don't have queen or king (the last has been beheaded in 1793 :p) and we are happy like that

Well, hell...no wonder it is so hard to hire a new one! Your termination procedures are waayyyyy too strict!

CzinZumerzet 04-08-2004 05:04 AM

Dozens of popular polls taken over many years serve to re-enforce what you will hear in bars and pubs across the UK, which is that the monarchy is a parasite pimple on the face of our country. It are neither respected or (heaven forfend) loved and the only reason their continued existence is supported is that they continue to pull in the dollar/yen/shekel/euro. They aren't even English for heaven's sake. And soccer really is for kiddies, while Rugger is for real blokes who play without silly tin hats and body armour and face paint. .......oh god the thighs of Johhny Wilkinson.......:biggrin:

russotto 04-08-2004 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Kikoo

of course but they were powerless than Louis XVI and they didn't stay on the throne a long time

Charles X wasn't powerless, but he was indeed deposed quickly.

Louis-Philippe was the last, after, there was 2 emperors (Napoleon I and LNB of course) and others things i have forgotten, it's very complex

Napoleon I came after Louis XVI but before Louis XVIII.

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but, how do you know that ?? you learn that at school ??
From dim memories of school I knew the monarchy was restored after Napolean was defeated. The rest I read in various places in the past but had to look up (isn't google great?) for the details.

Radar 04-08-2004 12:36 PM

What do you mean the French don't have a queen? Haven't you heard of Jean-Paul Gaultier?

Kikoo 04-08-2004 01:03 PM

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Russoto
Napoleon I came after Louis XVI but before Louis XVIII.
yes, but Napoléon wasn't a king

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Charles X wasn't powerless, but he was indeed deposed quickly.
yes, i wanted to say they had less power than the former kings (before Louis XVI) (i have made a mistake)

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Radar
What do you mean the French don't have a queen? Haven't you heard of Jean-Paul Gaultier?
you are jalous about french fashion :p

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Elspode
Well, hell...no wonder it is so hard to hire a new one! Your termination procedures are waayyyyy too strict!
??? don't understand
my sentence is not correct ??

Radar 04-08-2004 01:14 PM

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you are jalous about french fashion
No, just trying to make a joke. I didn't know the French equivalent of Richard Simmons so I did a google search for French gay guys and there you have it. :)

Beestie 04-08-2004 01:28 PM

God Save The Queen

She Ain't No 'uman Being.

Radar 04-08-2004 02:11 PM

The Sex Pistols loved the queen. :)

Clodfobble 04-08-2004 02:27 PM

Well, hell...no wonder it is so hard to hire a new one! Your termination procedures are waayyyyy too strict!

??? don't understand
my sentence is not correct ??


Elspode was making a joke, as if you "fired" your king from his job, but instead of giving him 2 months' salary (or I hear in France it's like 8 months salary if you get laid off, isn't it?) and sending him on his way, you chop his head off. No one else would ever want to apply for the "job" of king for fear of getting fired.

marichiko 04-08-2004 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by Kikoo

??? don't understand
my sentence is not correct ??

Episode was just making a joke about the way the French monarchs met their end in the French revolution. You know, the guillotine and all. Don't worry about your English. Its a 1000 times better than my French.

But didn't Napoleon set himself up as an Emperor? Surely, that counts as royalty in a way, anyhow.

As for Radar, he's jealous of everything.

warch 04-08-2004 03:43 PM

Oy! I want someone to write a rousing song titled, "The Thighs of Johnny Wilkinson", then we sing it in a pub.

Kikoo 04-09-2004 04:33 AM

thanks to help me to understand the Elspode's joke :D
i'm not enough good in english to understand that type of joke

Napoléon was le premier consul (the first) and he made a referendum to stay on the throne all his life, the French answered "yes" and he became emperor
we are very complex because we fired all our kings to replace them by an emperor :confused:

Forget me but who is Johnny Wilkinson ?

CzinZumerzet 04-09-2004 06:17 AM

Kikoo, Jonny (or Johnny) Wilkinson scored the points England needed after a 100 minute game of Rugby Union had moved into extra time, for the World Cup, and thanks to him brought home the silver by beating the Aussies 20-17. His was the magical drop kick of perfection that he had been practicing since childhood, and it won the World Cup for his team and country. He is also divinely handsome and drop dead sexy!

I haven't learned how to insert links yet but if you do a Google search for him you can see the thighs - and more - that have left Englishwomen (and not a few men) sighing...... Our rugger buggers play in neat little shorts. Oh by the way, rugger has nothing to do with soccer.

Never mind the losers we currently have in Buckingham Palace, I think Jonny deserves the throne and I will probably be clapped in the Tower for this! Long live Jonny, England and St George!!

Griff 04-09-2004 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by marichiko

But didn't Napoleon set himself up as an Emperor? Surely, that counts as royalty in a way, anyhow.

Definitely. The little fella even snatched the crown from the Pope and crowned himself. Lots of symbolism there.

Griff 04-09-2004 06:56 AM

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Originally posted by CzinZumerzet
Oh by the way, rugger has nothing to do with soccer.

How does the old saying go? Soccer is a gentlemans game played by thugs while rugby is a thugs game played by gentleman.

OnyxCougar 04-09-2004 08:36 AM

Oh yeah, sure alot of Brits feel the royal family is a "pimple"?.... that's why nobody went to Diana's funeral. Or to royal's weddings. Yeah.

And football (soccer) blows...mhm...that's why there are no fans.

Please don't try to offer *your* opinion as what "most" of a culture thinks.

CzinZumerzet 04-09-2004 11:32 AM

Historically there is a good natured tradition of competitive ribaldry and poking fun between supporters of football and Rugby. Some people follow/support both. I don't know the exact meaning of 'football blows' neither have I suggested it has no fans, it has very many, as has rugger. The origins and history of both games are as different as present day play,and dedicated football supporters tend to be quite different to rugger fans.

Over the course of very many years there have been scores of live debates, phone-ins, polls and quanititative research programmes, academic enquiry and surveys by numerous organisations including the UK/Australian/Canadian/New Zealand governments regarding the future of the monarchy. Undoubtedly it has its supporters and some people support the monarchy, but not its present incumbents or those in waiting. Not just my opinion, widespread international public opinion. Those who attend royal events do so for numerous and varied reasons of their own but to suggest that they are there only to demonstrate their support for the monarchy is probably an oversimplification. Very many have come from countries where monarchy is non-existant, others attend out of a sense of being a part of history, some because it is a great excuse for a celebration and there's no harm in that. If anything I've said is causing offence I apologise unreservedly. Seriously.

marichiko 04-09-2004 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by CzinZumerzet
If anything I've said is causing offence I apologise unreservedly. Seriously.
Don't worry, Czin. You didn't post anything that was offensive. Not in my book, anyhow. Some of the boys around here can get a bit touchy, that's all. You just have to stand your ground and keep them in their place. ;)

Scopulus Argentarius 04-09-2004 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by marichiko
Ummm, why are you asking Americans about this, anyhow? Last time I checked we didn't have a royal family here, although our politicians can be royal pains in the behind. Is the queen still alive? She's got those cute little corgi's. This being the land of opportunity, I went out and got a corgi of my very own. I now treat him like a king.
We have royalty simulations like the Kennedy family

Scopulus Argentarius 04-09-2004 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by CzinZumerzet
Very many have come from countries where monarchy is non-existant, others attend out of a sense of being a part of history, some because it is a great excuse for a celebration and there's no harm in that. If anything I've said is causing offence I apologise unreservedly. Seriously.

Considering that this is the Cellar, you've not said anything with real offensive impact Suz...

Scopulus Argentarius 04-09-2004 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Kikoo

??? don't understand
my sentence is not correct ??

You are perfectly understandable.. perspective has been what everyone in this thread is losing sight of.....

Comparer des cultures est come comparer des pomes aux oranges


(please excuse my french ):)

Clodfobble 04-09-2004 02:22 PM

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xoxoxoBruce 04-09-2004 10:20 PM

For Czin & warch, let the singing begin.;)

richlevy 04-09-2004 10:33 PM

Balance of Power
 
In terms of tourism and international appeal, there has always been a delicate balance of power between Britain and France. Britain has been able to lure in tourists to see the pageantry and majesty of one of 'old Europes' oldest remaining monarchies.

The French have been able to offer decent, and sometimes exceptional food. Cuisine is, after all a French word, and the term 'English cuisine' is one of the great oxymorons of all time.

Until this man came along:http://images.foodnetwork.com/webfoo...naked_chef.jpg

Jamie Oliver, an English chef, has upset this delicate balance of power by becoming something of a sensation. He is apparently very popular with the French.

It would make perfect sense that the French would feel the need to establish a monarchy to restore the balance.

xoxoxoBruce 04-09-2004 10:52 PM

I understand the naked chef did some chef-ting naked at home for his anniversary. Unfortunately he burned his chances of reenacting the wedding night.

CzinZumerzet 04-10-2004 06:32 AM

Deepest thanks for the pic of Jonny-the-hero, sends me,really sends me!

I didn't realise all of the sausage jokes going the rounds about Jamie were true but the poor boy scorched his todger on the barbeque! This is one wedding anniversary night burned into his memory, pauvre J'aime...;)

Kikoo 04-10-2004 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by Scopulus Argentarius
Comparer des cultures est come comparer des pomes aux oranges


(please excuse my french ):)

Oh, it's very nice, someone who try to make an effort to speak french, thanks
(it's very good, but the correct sentence is: comparer des cultures, (c') est comme comparer des pommes avec des oranges :D ;) )

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richlevy
In terms of tourism and international appeal, there has always been a delicate balance of power between Britain and France. Britain has been able to lure in tourists to see the pageantry and majesty of one of 'old Europes' oldest remaining monarchies.
The French have been able to offer decent, and sometimes exceptional food. Cuisine is, after all a French word, and the term 'English cuisine' is one of the great oxymorons of all time.
delicate balance ??
France is the first tourist country in the world !! :cool:
Food, fashion, wonderful landscapes are explainations

Vive la France, un pays merveilleux avec des gens très compliqués

xoxoxoBruce 04-10-2004 11:09 AM

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France is the first tourist country in the world !!
It seems to be a popular choice with Germans.

lumberjim 04-10-2004 11:18 AM

I don;t like that naked chef guy. He's a poser.

wolf 04-10-2004 11:22 AM

I'm entirely amused that he burned Mr. Winky on the grill. Successful naked barbecuing is really not all that difficult.

I don't think much of him either.

marichiko 04-10-2004 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by wolf
I'm entirely amused that he burned Mr. Winky on the grill. Successful naked barbecuing is really not all that difficult.


Obviously, you don't have tits! ;)

Kikoo 04-10-2004 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by lumberjim
I don;t like that naked chef guy. He's a poser.
me ??!

lumberjim 04-10-2004 03:50 PM

no. the naked chef. (that picture up there^) I don;t know you yet. I'll let you know if i don;t like you. You won;t have to ask....you'll know.

wolf 04-10-2004 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by marichiko


Obviously, you don't have tits! ;)

Obviously you don't do enough naked barbecuing.

lumberjim 04-10-2004 03:57 PM

obviously, wolf missed the fact that marichiko said she didn;t have tits. You DO have tits, don't you wolf?

wolf 04-10-2004 04:05 PM

(*checks*)

Yes, standard number and configuration. Original equipment.

And oh, nor am I so old that having them droop into the grill rack is an issue.

lumberjim 04-10-2004 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by wolf
(*checks*)


shouldn't that have been:

"(*)(*) checks"

blue 04-10-2004 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by lumberjim
I'll let you know if i don;t like you. You won;t have to ask....you'll know.
Who needs comedy central?! ;-)

Oh yeah and Bruce's comment about German tourists!

blue 04-10-2004 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by wolf
(*checks*)

Yes, standard number and configuration. Original equipment.

So how 'bout some, you know...naked pics?

Elspode 04-10-2004 07:34 PM

It was a joke.

marichiko 04-11-2004 06:26 AM

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Originally posted by lumberjim
obviously, wolf missed the fact that marichiko said she didn;t have tits. You DO have tits, don't you wolf?
I never said that I didn't have tits. I assumed that Wolf was male and didn't have tits to get in the way. If I was wrong about Wolf's gender, my deepest apologies. I've never barbecued "au natural" but I have cooked over camp fires in that mode and there have been instances where the femine figure can get in the way (so to speak), especially if one is well-endowed. ;)

xoxoxoBruce 04-11-2004 06:57 AM

Well, now that's straightened out, I'd like to point out that the Naked Chef did it in the kitchen, on the stove.
I really can't picture the Queen of England doing that, although Tracy Ullman could convince me. :)

edit
Mrs Doubtfire did it.

Kikoo 04-12-2004 05:41 AM

i must admit i understand nothing anymore
Germans ? Wolf ? Tracy Ullman ? Mme Doubtfire ? Barbecue ?? :confused:

OnyxCougar 04-12-2004 08:44 AM

You know, all of Marichiko's assumptions are starting to really irritate me. How long did you lurk before you jumped in and started posting? 2 seconds? You have been throwing assumptions around since you started. If you have some free time, why don't you take a few hours a day and just read posts here? In most cases, it becomes obvious what gender people are, and gives us a glimpse of their (cyber)personality.

Stop assuming shit about people. Really.

xoxoxoBruce 04-12-2004 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Kikoo
i must admit i understand nothing anymore
Germans ? Wolf ? Tracy Ullman ? Mme Doubtfire ? Barbecue ?? :confused:

Kikoo, you have to understand that most threads don't stay on the original topic. They tend to wander all over the place.:)

Griff 04-12-2004 06:45 PM

So what's up with Becks and Posh?

wolf 04-13-2004 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by OnyxCougar
why don't you take a few hours a day and just read posts here? In most cases, it becomes obvious what gender people are, and gives us a glimpse of their (cyber)personality.

Stop assuming shit about people. Really.

In my case it usually isn't all that obvious. Actually I find the aha experience associated with people finding out that I'm female rather amusing.

marichiko 04-13-2004 04:21 AM

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Originally posted by OnyxCougar
You know, all of Marichiko's assumptions are starting to really irritate me. How long did you lurk before you jumped in and started posting? 2 seconds? You have been throwing assumptions around since you started. If you have some free time, why don't you take a few hours a day and just read posts here? In most cases, it becomes obvious what gender people are, and gives us a glimpse of their (cyber)personality.

Stop assuming shit about people. Really.

Hmmm... Yeah, I'd say 2 seconds is about right. I've noticed that people on this board are pretty free with their opinions (you're not exactly timid about yours), so I've jumped right in and given mine. You can always ignore my posts if they irritate you, I'll get over it somehow. And lots of people here have made assumptions about me, including getting my gender wrong. I apologized to Wolf and as she noted, neither her name or the content of her posts up until now gave any indication that she's of the girl-type persuasion.

OnyxCougar 04-13-2004 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by wolf


In my case it usually isn't all that obvious. Actually I find the aha experience associated with people finding out that I'm female rather amusing.

Wolf, I knew from the first few days lurking that you were female. From your posts with slang, from your picture (that was a big tipoff), from your general demeanor, from other people referencing you as a she.... you know, little things like that. Things anyone can pick up on if they only take the time. I just get pissy when people aren't thorough. Well, not even thorough, I mean, if they don't wanna read the history, cool, but don't go making assumptions. :) **shrug** It's a little thing, I know, but people have been making alot of assumptions lately, not just here, but everywhere around me and it is really getting to me.

OnyxCougar 04-13-2004 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by marichiko


Hmmm... Yeah, I'd say 2 seconds is about right. I've noticed that people on this board are pretty free with their opinions (you're not exactly timid about yours), so I've jumped right in and given mine. You can always ignore my posts if they irritate you, I'll get over it somehow. And lots of people here have made assumptions about me, including getting my gender wrong. I apologized to Wolf and as she noted, neither her name or the content of her posts up until now gave any indication that she's of the girl-type persuasion.

But that's just my point. There are ALL KINDS of indicators that she is a woman, if you just READ. Honest to God, I don't have a problem with you personally, and I REALLY don't mean to be bitchy about this, but for shit's sake! PLEASE! Pretty please. ok? TRY not to assume things? Please?


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