you are all going to hell
 

Kirk Cameron has spoken.
http://www.wayofthemaster.com

wow. I took the test, and Kirk said I was going to Hell.

that's where the party will be
 

You lasted longer than I did, I fear I was stalled out at the starting gun.

I love how they claim to not only know what “God” thinks, feels, and believes but they put words into his mouth.

“You may call it your “personal belief” but God calls it idolatry.”

Hmm, is that what God calls it really? How do you suppose they know that? This borders on blasphemy.

Way of the Master?

This guy?
http://www.kasterborus.com/tardis/ba...er/master2.jpg

How about this guy?
http://hpbimg.restlessbtvs.com/episodes/s2shebadnew.jpg

That was just entirely too annoying. I made it through the first question and that was about it. I'll take it as a given that THEY would determine that I'm going to their Hell. Silly christians.

Is there a special place in Hell for people who use the name of the Lord to sell their propaganda? Or do they just go into the general population?

What's "WJDD" anyway? Isn't it supposed to be "WWJD"? Or "INRI"?

Someone needs to deprogram Kirk Cameron before he swallows the cool aid.

Hmph!! There are only a few that are living word for word the "way of the master" (seeing as though sin is of the mind AND the body).

:rolleyes:

Nah. Just let him. Simpler, really.

Okay. I got my courage together and tried it again.

It's a lot easier if you go through the lowspeed version, since you don't have to listen to Kirk whining at you throughout the presentation.

According to the test, I should prepare to be smited at any time.

I read their logo as "WDJD" -- Who Does Jesus Damn?

WDJD

Apparently it's the hot new question. It just doesn't have bracelets, teeshirts, keychains or bumperstickers yet.

(I'm more of a WWWD "what would Wotan do" kind of girl.)

I know what Jesus wouldn't do. He wouldn't create some crass website ostensibly to bring people to Him, but in reality to sell some DVD sets at $60 a pop.

I believe that Jesus is who he said he was. But I don't want anything to teach me to "market" Jesus.

Jesus is way too cool for those people.

Just for the sake of argument, at this moment, I'll say that Jesus, if he existed, was probably much cooler than most people deserve today.

I'll say that Jesus, if he existed, was probably much cooler than most people deserve today.

Well, taking up a part of your argument you probably never intended... do you seriously have doubts whether a man named Jesus actually existed? Not that he was who he said he was, just that he existed at all? I mean, come on... the amount of historical reference to him is staggering.

We base our entire knowledge of ancient Greek society on a body of firsthand literature that's absurdly small, and never think twice about whether maybe everything we know is completely and totally off (Caligula was insane, you say? Only one document says so.) The number of documents referencing a person named Jesus and the key events in his life is exponentially larger, mostly because it was more recent history.

Lots of people don't believe he was a messiah. Lots of people believe specifics of the stories, like the birth in a stable and sleeping in a manger, are a tall tale. But I really don't see how you can say he didn't exist.

If Jesus were alive today, they would probably ship him off to Guantanamo Bay as an 'enemy combatant'.

BTW, I did break a commandment. I purposely lied so that I could get to the end of the test. If you answer all of the questions 'Innocent', you're still going to Hell. To be sure, I went back and took the test as a Christian to check. Talk about a rigged game. I had to turn off the sound to wait for the responses.

I remember one great line from a Cheech and Chong routine. "I used to be messed up on drugs, then I found God. Now I'm all messed up on God".

I hope God never asks Kirk to fly a plane into a building.

To be fair, he does run a foundation to run a camp for terminally ill children. But of all dogooders, I think I'd rather hang out with Paul Newman.

None of them, however, are contemporary with his supposed life.

Depends on which history your're reading, same as many other issues in history.

I never said he didn't exist, I was just couching it in the context of the specific person referrenced by me. The red letter guy specifically. I'm just curious about the person, if that specific person actually existed, and how much different he would have been from the version everyone is familiar with.

I know that there have been lots of guys named Jesus. One of them mows our lawn. But as far as Jesus of Nazareth, I not only have doubts, I'm fairly certain that fictional character wasn't even based on an actual person.

Nothing written about Jesus was written during his supposed lifetime.

In fact there is not one shred of proof of the existance of Jesus of Nazareth other than embellished stories written and told several generations after that character supposedly died.

But even if they did find that Jesus was an actual person, he was only a person. Only a teacher like Confucious, Buddha, Mohammad, etc.

...and the constitution is just some ink on paper, no more significant than any other piece of paper with writing on it.

Its stuff like that web site which gives God a bad name. I feel sorry for God. S/he has enough to contend with as it is without having to deal with defamation of character on top of it all.

Luckily for me, the United States of America has always been and always will continue to be a secular nation based on the Constitution instead of fictional books about a guy named Jesus.

Well, as I tactfully avoid the real or fiction argument, it does appear as if I will be joing my fellow sinners in hell.

What was the line, oh yeah:

"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints the Sinners are much more fun..."

And Kirk, as far as hell goes, I've seen Growing Pains, you first.

It does, however, have the benefit of being something people agreed to abide by, and can be changed if 2/3 of the country thinks it's a good idea.
Let's take that standard to the bible (or any other religious tract) and see what's left.

- Pie

Kirk Cameron and I share the same birthday.

That is all.

Let's see...just to inform (trans: DON'T lose your minds over this, because I'm just passing on info and really couldn't give a rat's ass what anyone else believes. I'm not attacking Christians here, so put that out of your minds)


Christos means simply "Anointed one," and was a title of many Middle-Eastern Sacrificial Gods. Among the Essenes, a Christos was a priest, specifically designated as Sin Bearer or Redeemer; one who atoned for other's sins. Among the Slavs, Christos or Krstnik meant a sacrificial hero and also an "accursed one," due to the ancient practice of laying a formal curse on the sin-bearer before he was sacrificed.

Immanuel, which is what the Angel told Mary her child would be called, is the Persian title of the god Immani, or E-mani, venerated in Elam as a sacred King-martyr. One of his later incarnations was the savior Mani, allegedly born of a virgin named Mary.

Like Adonis, Jesus was born of a virgin. He was eaten in the form of bread as were Adonis, Osiris, Dionysus, and others. Like the followers of Osiris, his followers made him a part of themselves through consumption, thus participating in his resurrection.

Like Attis, Jesus was sacrificed at the spring Equinox and rose again three days later, when he became God and ascended to heaven. Like Orpheus and Heracles, he "harrowed hell" and brought a secret of eternal life, promising to draw all men with him up to glory. Like Mithra and all the other solar gods, his birthday is celebrated nine months later at winter Solstice (Dec. 25 is Mithra's birthday. Jesus was born in the spring, when the census was taken).

From the Elder gods, Jesus acquired not only his title of Christos, but other titles as well. Osiris and Tammuz were called Good Shepherd. Sarapis was Lord of Death and King of Glory. Mithra and Heracles were Light of the World, Sun of Righteousness. Helios was the Rising Sun. Dionysus was King of Kings, God of Gods. Hermes was the Enlightened one and the Logos. Vishnu and Mithra were Son of Man and Messiah. Adonis was the Lord and the Bridegroom, and Mot-Aleyin was the Lamb of God. "Savior" (Soter) was applied to all of them.

Turning water into wine was a Dionysian Ritual practiced at Sidon and Alexandria. Many years earlier, Priestesses in Nineveh cured the blind with spittle, and the story was repeated of many different gods and their incarnations. Demeter of Eleusis mulitplied loaves and fishes in her role of Mistress of the earth and sea.

There's more, but this is WAAAAAY too long as it is. But for all you pagans out there, this is a good way to shut up the people who try to convert you and tell you you're going to hell. It's always worked for me ;) Forgive me for the length of this post.

I honestly believe that Jesus did exist. However, I think he was a teacher (we know he was a Rabbi), because I know how Christianity borrowed from other religions so much that it's hard to know what part of Christianity is really original.


Sidhe

I just look at anyone that tries to sway me to their religion and growl, "All religions are shit! Now fuck off and die!"

That seems to work really well. :)

By the way, according to his little test, I'm going straight to hell. Do not pass through Limbo, do not collect good time in Purgatory.

You know, according to him, God must spend 99% of His time thouroughly pissed off at everyone. He must be hell to live with up there in heaven (no pun intended).

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!:haha: Do you have to tell them to close their mouths so as not to catch flies after you say that?

I just like the hurt look that I get from them...

I sure the hell do.

you break it, you bought it
 

I had to deal with this crap all the time when I was in college. I was trapped like a rat because I worked at one of those kiosk places out in the middle of the mall. It was some kind of a loony magnet. There is just no reasoning with these people and I am hardly ignorant about religion. I was about 3 hours shy of a religion minor. I choose to be a heretic.

I tried everything from arguing them into a corner to singing the praises of Jebus just to get rid of them. Nothing works. If you are not a Christian, then you simply must give your heart to Jebus right now, this very minute here in the middle of the mall while on the clock – wildly inappropriate. If you say you are Lutheran or something normal, then they snort about how the “high churches” are all pomp and ceremony. What I need it would seem is good ole fashioned fire and brimstone. Would it be to much to ask for you to just fuck off and die. There is such a thing as decorum. I am not a Christian and I don’t pretend to be but the times I have been in a church the pomp and ceremony was frankly quite soothing and meditative.

I get religious about things like this:

That was a fascinating piece Lady Sidhe. I would like to add to that if i may the legend of Odin, who is often pictured in a pose not disimilar to the crucifixion scene. According to the Norse mythos Odin from the Tree of Life for 9 days and nights. When the 8th and 9th century Nordic peoples began to adopt Christianity the two images of Christ on the Cross and Odin on the tree were often merged in art.

I have generally been quite iritated by that stuff when I have encountered it in my life. My Gran was a devout Catholic and I spent way more time than is strictly healthy escorting her about various Christian shrines in England and France.....She insisted on answering the Priest in Latin and was the only one in Waltham Abbey doing it.....*sigh*

There are notable exceptions however when I was very very moved by the gravitas of the ceremonial. The candlelight procession at night from the steps of the main Basilica in Lourdes....dont ask me how, but my mum and I ( another ardent Atheist) were chosen to be standard bearers which meant standing on the steps looking out over the huge congregation as it intoned Ave Maria to the dance of thousands of candles.

I bathed in the waters. Gran thought it might cure me.....I did feel a rush of emotion....Which I later realised was a response to the gravity of others' belief.

The experience made me angry though. Another family in our group had a son with a nasty heart condition. Their profound hope was shattering. Sitting there listening to them talk in speculative whispers about the possibility of a cure broke my heart. Their acceptance of God's will should no cure be forthcoming was even more heartbreaking.

Since that pilgramage I feel only a sense of cynical irritation at the lies I here from the man in cloth. Since I mainly only go into churches at funerals this increases my sense of religion as a con trick for vulnerable people. Stagemanaged to the 'nth degree.

The only time now I really see the beauty of any of it, is when I am looking at it in the conext of an earlier time. I really do feel like we should have made some progress on this by now....But the monks in 1200s I still admire.

Actually, I WILL say this: If I ever went back, I'd be Catholic. I love the ceremony and drama, the incense, candles, and singsong chanting of the mass. It's as close as you can get to being pagan while still being christian ;)

What the people who down pomp and ceremony don't understand is, that THAT is EXACTLY what causes the change in consciousness that enhances a spiritual experience. Candles, incense, and drama all serve to remove one from everyday existence and bring about an "aura" of mystery or an altered state of consciousness. That's how drumming works, and chanting, and whirling....

I was raised southern baptist, converted to catholicism, then became pagan. Go figure.


Sidhe

Not what its all about
 

See now, i really dislike all the pomp and ceremonies and all that filler crap that people invented to praise God and blah blah. I'm not Catholic, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Pagan, or atheist. I am a mere Christian and my personal faith is based upon the fact that in some situations while others break, I stay steadfast because I know that God will not place me in a situation that I cannot handle and be at peace with. Even if I was on one of those planes that flew into the WTC, I would be completely fine with it because that is not His will and others can only be inspired ot renew their friendship and shunning of evil that comes with such an atrocety.
It's not that i don't care, it's that I have no reason to be dissatisfied with whatever situation I am in. I ahev free will and therefore I alone am responsible for my own actions.
What Christ taught was that you should not follow Him, not have wafers placed on your tongues at mass, he taught forgiveness and faith. Without the faith that I place in Him, I would have broken long ago.
It's the most amazing thing ot be totally at peace within your heart.

(Going to hell.)
 

I am going to hell,just as soon as i find out where it is.

If I had a "Road to Damascus" event and I had to choose a Christian sect I'd choose The Society of Friends

I mean I could just about swallow the idea of a God, but what exactly is the point of an organised religion where some have the power to create-interpet doctrine and others don't?

Low on my lists of sects to join would be The Catholic Church, although I have great respect for some in it, my Uncle for instance is a missionary in Peru and being a Catholic missionary in a mostly Catholic country (although it is fun to get him worked up at the mere mention of evengalical churches) most of what he does is build community in shanty towns. He personally disagrees with much the mother church teaches, why he stays in it then I don't know?

If I could choose a non-Christian religion it would be the Buddhists

Although an atheist I am obsessed with religions and learning more about their histories. The Mormons are a fasinating study of a group making it from the Waco nutty phase to some level of acceptability all in recorded history. Fun thing is because the Mormon phrophets lived in historical record it is easy to disprove what they said, but that doesn't seem to have affected the growth of the Religion

(No swet)
 

Jesus is comming,lets all hope that his dad gets him a better wardrobe and a shave this time.