Now that Georgie has lost the Election...
 

I thought it would be nice to make some predictions about GW's future.

Now that God has unchosen him, he will probably get a little depressed. Inside 6 mos W will be plowing through so much cocaine he's gonna need a snowmobile to get around.

Griff--where did you hear this? We've been keeping track at work and it looks like georgie won! Please tell me he lost!

no matter which side you want it is still way to early to get cocky.

remember "DEWEY WINS"?

:) I wanted Badnarik. Check Slates latest numbers. I'm mostly being a smart ass though.

i kinda figured you were yanking some chains, but there are some tightly wound spools in thte cellar today, so you never know.

All numbers are within the margin of error, so you might as well make a coin toss to decide who gets what? As for GWB, the only country in the world he would really be welcome in is Russia. I certainly wouldn't want to give him Carter's job of helping certify overseas elections, even though there would be a compelling irony there.

A lot of people, even many of those voting for him, believe that he only got his job due to his father's legacy, some powerful friends, and a socially conservative agenda. Outside of terror, I really don't think there is a lot of confidence in his competence in affairs of state, and his terror credentials stem largely from pulling the trigger on Iraq.

Let him go back to getting in one sweetheart deals with Texas millionaires.

He got the job with votes. I won't argue popular v. electoral here, but all this shit about a 'stolen' election is so 2000. The trend right now seems to be for Bush.

BTW, I voted a straight ticket today for this first time in my life. It was for the Libertarian Party. Believe me, I hate a lot of shit about this country right now, too.

But hey, did you know Alaska may legalize marijuana? I'm tempted to go up there and build some greenhouses. My farm will be called 'Northern Lights', as will my product. The slogan will be 'The No Fuzz Buzz'.

Umm, these are all copyrighted by right of first reference. As of <i>now</i>. But probably actually for UT.

Kerry is projected to win PA (by MSNBC)...looks like Dubya wasted a whole lot of time coming here.

Griff, you're a jinxing motherfucker.

Bush looks like he has Florida in the bag, and the GOP is fighting tooth-and-nail for Ohio. If they get that, it's game set match. I have an ulcer big enough to hide a chicken in, and emigration would be tempting if there was anywhere safe to which to emigrate.

For me, any one is same because I still cannot get the USA visa and go to see you.

Just wait for Bush to come to you, Billy. :yelsick:
Now if you'll excuse me, I have war materiel to build.

I heard the Democrats plan to make it even harder for you. Well, hopefully in four years, but still... :mad:

Griff, buddy, you started on the Bushmills the minute you got home from the polls, didn't you?

Presidential Count continues.

I'm very much enjoying watching Dan Rather look increasingly uncomfortable and frustrated as Bush seems to be winning.

I got my real election return earlier tonight. One of my frequent callers to the nuthouse told me at around 2115 hrs.

Nut: So, you vote today?

Wolf: Yes, Nut (not his real name). I voted.

Nut: I voted for Kerry. You vote for Kerry?

Wolf: No, Nut. I voted for Bush.

Nut: That Bush, the imcunbemt (that's how he says it. He's illiterate and uses some unusual pronounciation), he's taking it. He won.

Wolf: Bush won, Nut?

Nut: Yeah.

Wolf: Okay, Nut. I'll let everybody know that I heard it from you first.

I find that I actually get fairly accurate current events reportage from many of my patients. Heck, I learned about the first WTC bombing from a patient, and I thought she was crazy at the time. I've trusted NutWire News ever since.

So, Wolf, we now see where you get your encyclopedic-type information. I hope you are more than ready to gear up to haul ass to where-ever the threat may be. I've no guns myself. You think you can defend your Phila 'burb? Good luck. you'll need it.

:rattat:

<b>Brianna</b>, I think <b>wolf</b> is just prepared to defend her home and person from those who would choose to do her harm. It is certainly a personal option to rely on the police to perform that duty. They usually just show for clean-up.

I sincerely doubt I will ever have to use my weapons defensively. I'm not that paranoid. Shooting is just something fun to do, and marksmanship (hitting a good shot at 100+ yards) is truly satisfying.

Let's just say I'm ready for The Day The Welfare Checks Don't Cash and leave it at that.

if this great nation of ours equipped people for real jobs we wouldn't need welfare checks--unless you were poisoned by CO, of course. Then we'd have to pay.

CAVEAT:

i'm feeling very nasty tonight. GRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Brianna, believe me, with all the imperfections of capitalism, you're still much better off without "the right to work" :yeldead:

:mad2: If so, my USA graduate school dream would be crashed.

Given the crushing nature of this defeat (never mind Ohio -- even if Kerry pulls off a miracle, he'll have to deal with a reinforced-on-both-sides Republican Congress and a strong popular-vote bitchslap)...

...how do I tell my wife that I don't think I want to have kids in this New, Improved, 78%-More-War-And-Bibles Redder-Than-Ever America?

Pop her in the mouth and say, "Bitch, we ain't havin' no babies!"

I don't know if you were being rhetorical or not...if not, just be honest. What are her feelings on the outcome?

I'm in a deep post-election depression, but I'm at least half-serious, and how the next few years fall out will either reinforce that or lessen that. I can at least wait and see before I revise my decision -- it's not like I'm going to chop off my nuts and mail them to Dubya or anything.

She's nowhere near as politically-minded as I am.

Smart woman. Is she online?

More laws are made that affect the individual at state level, than at federal level. Massachusetts, where the R party is nearly a minor party, is only 5 hours north. Canada, the Europe of North America, is only another 4 hours after that. So if you really honestly believe that it will make a difference in your life, you can have the politics you want. It'll take some effort, but there it is.

Or if you realize at the end of the day that you will wind up putting your socks on first every morning, just like you have all along, you'll stay where you are and pop out a few youngsters. After all, by the time they're teenagers, you may decide that you were wrong all along.

I know I have; the politics I cared so hard about 10 years ago are not the same as what I think today.

Nothing says "Baby? No way" like a quicky vasectomy.

She's online, but not into message boards -- SoulSeek and eBay are more her speed. Smart woman, indeed, as she understands the first law of message-board arguments (the famed Special Olympics analogy).

The Republicans have been given firm control over the nation. The Senate is all but filibuster-proof. The golden opportunity to replace Rehnquist is gone; instead, he and others will be replaced during this term by young, rubber-stamp conservatives who will redefine American law (federal, state and local) for generations.

Short of a scandal that makes Watergate look like a tea party, the Democratic Party is essentially toast. I expect more redistricting shenanigans designed to reinforce the Republican majority. Why not? DeLay's gambit worked exactly as intended. I expect Social Security, the deficit and the tax code to be a shambles by 2008, and frankly, I don't see any stars rising up out of the Democratic camp capable of rallying the troops.

It's the last definition of Catch-22: "They can do anything that we can't stop them from doing." Well, the left can't stop the right from doing whatever it wants now. Moving to Boston won't fix that.

On the other hand, all problems from here on out are 100% the Republicans' fault, and I don't see things getting better. We'll see whether things will get bad enough that even Republicans can see it by 2006.

Richlevy...time to start churning out the "Go ahead and trample on my rights...I wasn't using them anyway" bumper stickers.

1) No matter WHAT, the Republicans and talk radio will have more reasons than H&R Block why it's not their fault. It's Clinton's Fault, It's The Democrats' Fault, 9/11 Changed Everything[tm], There's A War Going On, choose your own or invent more.

2) They may see it, but they're weighing that against What Would Jeebus Do. When rational reasoning and religious faith collide, the results are not often pretty.

Pretty hard to believe. The strategy of misinformation and fear works.

Scrambling for positives: MN went for Kerry, last I heard 78% turnout. also evened up our state legislature that had tilted republican. Returned Sabo to the house. Even managed to pass about half of the levies on area ballots so kids can have music, art and phys ed back in their schools.

I hope people of all stripes will demand accountability for these past, and the next four years.

My extended family is in Minnesota and Wisconsin, so I'm relieved that they are blue.

I am so bitter this morning. As Happy says, the Republicans are now responsible for the country. I wouldn't call it a silver lining on a dark cloud. It's more like a lighter shade of grey on a dark cloud.

The Democrats need to steal a page from the Republican playbook and focus on one message for the next four years. That the Republicans control the House, the Senate, the White House, and the Supreme Court. The American people have shown that they are stupid. They need to be constantly reminded that the Republicans are in control of everything and deserve all the blame or credit for everything that happens from here on out. I expect it to be blame, but we will see. But the only way the American people will see it is if they are pounded over the head with it almost constantly for the next four years. "The Republicans got you into this situation. This is what they stand for."

Focus on the positives people!

Three very excellent things:

- no terrorism!!!!!
- no October surprise
- no legal battle for the outcome

One good thing:

- jobs report Friday supposed to be sunny

Cheer up, guys. In four years you will have Hilary :D Then I will definitely have to move again in search of politics I want :D

It's times like this I wish Australia didn't have such tough immigration laws.

New Zeland has very decent immigration laws. Canada too, if you're prepared to live in Manitoba or so for a while... So there ;)

Yet.

I'm not worried about terrorists, I never really have been. I am much more worried about that religious retard who thinks that I am not a citizen because I have no religion.

Thanks, America.

While voting on small things such as taxes and moral issues, we're going to see another four years of a president that supports:

Phone tapping of American citizens without cause.
E-mail and internet tapping of American citizens without cause.
Detainment of American citizens without cause, withouth trial, indefinately.
Restrictions on what you may say in opposition to your government.
Restrictions on how you may express your dislike of your government.
Restrictions on where you may express your dislike of your government.
Further implementations of religious organizations into the federal government that will control how funding is distributed.
Restriction of contracts between people based on their sexual preferences.
Increased support for the WTO, an organization that...
...trumps all local laws.
...trumps all state laws.
...triumps all federal laws.
...trumps the US constitution.
...is composed of an unelected board of people.
...is composed of a board of people whose identities we aren't permitted to know.
...is composed of a board who makes decisions we aren't permitted to read ahead of time or after they are implemented.


Land of the free, my ass. Thanks, America, for voting with your emotions on the petty shit the commercials on TV told you to be concerned with instead of the important stuff. You're going to get the president you deserve.

Think it's time to move back to England.

Fox news just said, and I quote...

"The red states just got redder."

Indeed.

Yeah, but if they'd voted for the other guy, two HOMOS might get married someday, and that trumps everything else, right?

Flickering red flames, I hope. Where's General Sherman when we need him?

Except that there are millions of non-wingnut people trapped in Red Country, and it'd be a helluva job to airlift them all out first.

No, it's time to dig in and defend what's yours.

Everyone will have their own explanation of what happened, here's mine:

Fahrenheit 9/11 and the ugly 529s were more effective at motivating the opposition than at convincing anyone to change their minds.

move the fuck on already dot org.

Yeah, but if they'd voted for the other guy, two HOMOS might get married someday, and that trumps everything else, right?

Gay WOLF Marriage (Quicktime, ~11.5Mb)

That's exactly what I'll be doing by leaving the United States. Protecting what's mine. You know, I don't have alot, I have about 2 carloads of possesions so what's mine is my family.

I have a 16 year old son who graduates in 3 years, when there will most likely be a draft. He'll be carted off to Iraq with other people's children, with a considerable percentage in favor of being maimed or killed, and an even higher percentage that he won't be given the correct amount of training and/or protection for the job he's tasked to perform. He'll make so little that he'll qualify for food stamps.

And all for what? To protect this guy's flawed policies and ego? I don't think so. "Defending America" does NOT equal being in Iraq.

Well, thanks, Brianna. Nothing like kicking a dog when its down, hmmm? All the people on this board who like to jump all over me will be happy to hear that I'm pretty depressed right now. It's going to be a very grim 4 years for Americans who need help getting back on their feet or are permanently disabled. You're upset because you had to go back to work. I'm upset because I CAN'T.

My point was that there is more to being an American than just you and I. There is us. By leaving, you take one more voice away from what was actually entrusted to us by our founding fathers. The power to exercise the ultimate vote.

The president is our servant, he is there to organize and administrate, nothing else. Polticians have forgotten that. If they keep pushing, Americans are going to be forced to get Jeffersonian.

No, didn't HAVE to--CHOSE to. Working is essential to an individuals sense of well-being and feeling of contributing to the greater good. I chose to go back. I was completely bored and useless sitting at home and after three months of rehab--which I also chose--I went back voluntarily. My situation is very complex and persists in the courts. My only complaint is that the hospital I work for is already pushing the limits of the agreement of my return to work. As in 12 hour shifts. THAT's where my problem is. It's going to be a grim 4 years for every American. Very grim. All those who voted bush get what they deserve. He's an arrogant, smarmy, sniveling moron. Congratulations, America! You've proven yourself UNWORTHY.

Bush is NOBODY's servant. He's an arrogant rich kid with connections thanks to daddy. I can't believe you think he's our "servant"--even HE'd choke on that one. If anything he's cheney's bitch.

I said that the president, and more generally all politicians, are our servants. The fact that they no longer chose, and we allow them, to fullfil their roles properly doesn't change that.

fuck
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i am SO dissapointed in my fellow assmericans.

the stupid are taking over the world. they breed faster. like retarded rabbits.

crap.

Tell me about it. I feel so damn useless and right now, scared.

So is and does mine. The ability to sit alone in my room and type mis-spelled comments to a bunch of people I'll never meet does not = functional.

I know a little about your situation, Brianna, and that's just WRONG on their part. They are really pushing you to over extend yourself. Does your workplace have EAP or something similar where you could go in to get some arbitration of some sort?

I agree with you, Bush is Cheney's bitch. And Cheney is Halliburten's handmaiden. The American people figure nowhere into the equation except that through stupidity and complacense, they voted for this to go on 4 more years.

So do we, radar. Can you go join the wife in the workers paradise?

Let's just speculate for a moment on "getting Jeffersonian". You're talking a revolution. Civil War. Something the Armed Forces of this country are sworn to protect us against.

The majority of the people of this country think that Bush has done a good job, enough to elect not just him for 4 more years, but also people who think like him, and back his ideas up. Governors. Senators. Representatives. More than half the people in this country think that he has done, is doing, and/or will do a better job than "the other guy" would.

This country of sheep is not going to get "Jeffersonian". It isn't only the politicians who forgot who's supposed to run the store....

Thank you for expressing my thoughts........I'm not beyond the 1 word vocabulary yet this morning :mad: .................FU@#.

Mari--I'm sorry I took a pot-shot at you earlier--it wasn't nice. I'm stressed and heartsick and I even took on the legendary Jag last night as my faith in this country completely collapsed. When bushieboy gives his acceptance speech I hope he remembers that half of us DON'T want this stupid, smarmy, rich-kid, who woulda-shoulda-coulda-flunked-out-of-Yale. course, he's not that self-aware. He's an island for chrissakes.

I know. -5 for poor sentance structure.

It wasn't people that were in the majority who started this experiment.

Has everybody vented their drama yet?

I suppose that all of you thought that if Kerry won that Osama would have sent another video tape offering peace and friendship throughout the world, the sky would be bluer than blue (in honor of the democratic victory) and everybody would find a nice, shiny, new hybrid card in the driveway as a thank you gift for being such a good electorate.

It's the presidency. We do this every four years. The people chose. It's over. The country has survived this for the last 228 years. With the exception of a little uprising that got surprised in the mid-19th century, we've been revolution free, unlike MOST OF THE OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.

Let it go, and get on with your lives.

Thank you.

I'm not done with my drama yet.
:bitching:

Legendary? I feel all warm and mythical.
Won't survive that long on this path. If efforts aren't made to rein in the deficit (which I don't see bush doing) then the collapse of fiat currency will happen well within my lifetime if not the lifetime of the vast majority of people here.