I'm Moving to CANADA
 

Kerry just conceded, and I don't think I can take for more years of the GWB. Get me outta here!

You and Alec Baldwin, I guess.

Huh? :confused:

The baldwins were one of many actors who claimed that they would leave the country under some sort of criteria.

I'm still waiting.

I'm so bummed out, sick and depressed--I can't fucking believe that asshole got voted in. Well, all you who voted for W, you get what you deserve and I've earned the right to complain. I am going to apply for dual citizenship with Canada (mother is Canadian-born and raised) before I go to the UK this spring. I am NOT telling anyone that I am an American. Shame on us. Shame, shame, shame. If I didn't care so much about this country--I wouldn't care. :bawling:

Maybe you and OC can share a flight.

The only thing I ask is that you don't come back.

If you're willing go to all of that effort to avoid a problem I don't want you benefitting from the effort of anyone who actually tries to solve the problem instead of solving it.

I'm right there with ya, girl. Hey, now that you mention it, I believe I might be able to get Irish citizenship through some family ties. Definitely something to look into before I travel again.... :stpaddy:

Geez, relax. I'm simply voicing my disgust at the outcome of the election. Go take a pill.

Directed at me, ts? If so--let me say I admire your attitude but find it naive. This country does NOT belong to the people. It belongs to the despots bush/cheney and entourage. I cannot believe this country voted in a man who uses our tax money to reward companies for taking business overseas...well, I guess I can. halliburton does business with Iran vis a vis an offshore company. the people in charge of this country are criminals. And they've got four more years to pillage this nation. nice.

I suppose part of the vehemence of my response comes from being on campus during such times, but it doesn't change my sentiment. The problem is that so many people today are willing to just that, leave the country when there really isn't anywhere that is that much better. The trend I've noticed is that most of the people who are willing to leave are either so well off that rights don't matter or are so willing to give up their rights that moving where they won't have them is not great leap.

Canada is deprived of rights?

huh. every cloud DOES have a silver lining. any chance of you taking maristinkingchiko with you?

How's about merely stating something like "my guy lost."

That would be sufficient.

Other countries may not be "better," but I have travelled extensively in Europe and do not see the reactionary, flag-waving, uneducated "we're-the-best" bullshit from people there that I see here.

Well-off? That's a bit of a generalization. I work for a charitable non-profit org and took a 50% pay cut to do so. "Well-off" isn't in my vocabulary anymore. Would I actually move to Canada or anywhere else? Probably not. I haven't given up on this country--I'm just very saddened by the choice the people here have just made.

Did ya get your teeth fixed yet, LJ?

HUH? That doesn't even make sense. How does the phrase "my guy lost" voice any sort of opinion?

going to the dentist today, cunt. er, i mean garnet.......... you stupid cunt.

posted a picture of yourself yet?

cmon, fatty. it's easy to sit and throw stones when no one knows whether or not you live in a glass house. show me your flawless likeness and your perfect teeth.

Cunt? Wow, you're getting desperate. Just what I'd expect of a sleazy, white-trash used car salesman with bad teeth.

Hey they have new clear braces nowthat can fix that horrible crooked tooth you have in front. If you get those, you might have an easier time scamming people into buying the broken down junk cars that you sell. :)

Well, at least you admit your teeth are bad. You know, the first step to getting help is admitting that you have a problem.

You left off the second half of my observation.

Boy this thread is friendly. I'm willing to sponser any political asylum seekers to Australia, Switzerland or Britain.

chicken

I just took the test for immigration on the Canadian website and I qualify as a skilled worker. Now all I need to find is $20,000 Canadian dollars to support me and my family in Canada for 6 months, and I'm on my way . . . :p

That is because they are not us. They are not the best.

Consider this possibility ... they do it, but without the flags.

National pride is something that does not solely exist in the United States. But we are the only country where people think they should feel bad about being themselves. That I don't get.

Enjoy your trip.


:usar:

Plenty of national pride in the UK, mostly white trash. Plenty in Switzerland, small flags, general sense of pride in enviornment and community. Not the wierd patriotism the US seems to inspire though. Still, the sun is setting on the American centuary, it's all good.

Being a gracious loser is an opinion. In a way.

My sons, ages 13 and 14, are NOT cannon fodder. I will NOT allow them to be drafted when this stupid effing war is still raging when they turn eighteen.

And, Jag, I'm curious; who do you propose to lead England? Who shall lead us all? IIRC the Porteguese did a fine job at one time...

Actually, we're the only country that feels the world should see how proud we are about our country and insist the world be in awe over it too. There's nothing wrong with national pride. It's that pride that can hold a country together when other things are pulling it apart. But it's chastising other countries for, frankly, not caring about our pride or how proud we are that's the problem and that's part of the problem up on the Hill at present. No, other countries aren't the USA. And the 'best' is purely subjective. They aren't obligated to be in awe and admire how much we love our country. Though lately, our National Pride is getting to be more like a touch of narcissism than anything else.

I was in Poland in June, and the Polish are some of the proudest people I've ever met. And despite what they've had to overcome in their tumultuous past, they don't feel the need to shove their well-deserved national pride down the throats of everyone else. And I'm sure the same could be said of almost every other European country. There's nothing wrong with patriotism or national pride--just that many in the US have taken it to the point where it is obnoxious and embarrassing.

The difference, I think is that the Poles have near neighbors, and are subject to invasion.

That makes for a very different national character.

I can agree with that. It's one of the many issues I have with Bush and his ideological clones.

You are giving LJ way too much credit. First, he ran his teeth issue by his internal sales staff while publicly villyfying dentists as oral butchers. When the staff reached a consensus, a position statement was developed. LJ then sent a draft of the statement to the owners of other competing dealerships to humbly request their assistance in refining the statement to one with which they might offer their concurrance. Further "refinements" and "constructive" adjustments were made to the statement as a direct result of the feedback of the placated, competing dealers.

Then, LJ, polled a statistically significant sample of customers to determine exactly how to refine and present his statement and ultimately the solution to his teeth issue so as to offend the fewest number of customers while simultaneously appealing to the greatest number of customers.

Alternatively, LJ could have just looked in the mirror and said, "I'm not happy with this - I think I'll do something about it." Its called decisiveness. De-cise-ive-ness.

And if you are going to attack somebody, don't use something they shared with you when you have declined to share the same. Its cheap, immature and unimaginative.

England? Leave blair in chance, the opposition are in joke, I'm just hoping the tories are relegated to minor party and the Jib Dems take opposition. Us all? Who the hell knows, the wonderful age of the death of nation states is still a long way off but traditional (last centuary) power blocks and relationships are on the way out and relationships of convenience are in. I still hope if I make it to being old and grey I get to see the dawn of an age where nations are nothing more than flags of convenience are to ships today. In the meantime, as the Chinese saying goes, we're doomed to live in Interesting Times.

The welfare state, the stable international relationships, they're all an historical anomoly payed for with debt, a side effect of the biggest problem with democracy - people realized they could vote themselves bread and circuses. The true cost of this centuary of decadence will be realized.

OK, what about Australia? Iceland? I didn't see any over-the-top flag-waving in those countries, either.

First of all, I have no idea what the hell you're talking about in the first part of you post. If his teeth have been a matter of discussion here, it's news to me.

As for the quoted portion above, I find it entertaining that you're defending someone who has continually chosen to personally attack me simply because he doesn't like my opinions. He went on the attack on me in this thread, as he has done in every other case. I have ignored him and his posts for the last month.

And is it OK that he called me a "cunt"? To me, the use of that word in ANY context is "cheap, immature and unimaginative."

jag, I've no idea what that means. What is a Jib Dem??

Lib Dem, my bad (how did I get across two keys??), Liberal Democrats, a leftish 3rd party here, been gaining a lot of ground of late, lots of fresh new innovative ideas and surprisingly sound fiscal planning, good combination.

No need for melodrama
 

I hate to say it, but if you look at my prediction post, which some scoffed at, I wasn't off by that much on the electoral. To think that John Kerry could carry the day was, I'm sorry, but a snowball's chance in hell. The clincher for this election in many ways was the anti-Kerry vote. This represented about 15% of George Bush's support. John Kerry's flip flop image was only part of it. For many his testimony in front of the Senate Arm Services committee in '71 and the revelation that he had contributed to the torture of POWs in Vietnam due to his public statments, were damning in the end. This was his weakest point.

It's true that John F. Kerry served in Vietnam, and I believe with as much honor as possible, but his actions after the war were damaging to the soldiers in country during the conflict, and nothing could erase that. Bush and Cheney might have avoided service through various means, but they did not sell out our prisoners of war. All one has to do is liken that today, whether the cause is deemed honorable or not at this point, soldiers in Iraq have been sold out during this election, plain and simple. One could easily make an argument for the continued violence being fuled by election rhetoric. I await for the pouncing statments of ye' cellar dwellers, but remember, John Kerry did this to himself, GW might have used 527s to his full advantage, but John Kerry will never live down his protest past, a protest past that put GI's and POWs in danger in Vietnam, and in Iraq. Suggest a solution, but don't attack the efforts of grunts, it's just not what a aspiring Comander and chief does.

-Walrus

Liar. you LOVE to say it.

I desperately want to respect my fellow countrymen, and my nation as a whole. I am unable to do that.

I want my country to be safer. It certainly won't be that.

I want to be able to pursue life, liberty and hapiness. Apparently, I won't be allowed to do that unless I'm white, straight, and attend the same church they do.

I want to cry. I will do that.

- Pie

You just can't leave it alone, can you? I'll think I'll leave your comment to fall on its own lack of merit.

PM me with the details for Switzerland and/or Britain, Jag. I've got the money for plane fare and a little besides.

PS Flippant is here and says "Sign me up, too!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I'm trying very, very hard to imagine what my response would have been had the electoral vote situation been reversed.

I do know that I would not have a screamed, ranted, cried, and stated that I was taking my toys and going to someone else's house because YOU'RE NOT NICE.

Boo hoo. Weep weep.

It would have been another day. I have nuts to wrangle, bills to pay, and other responsibilities to attend to.

I don't need to give energy to pointless frustration.

Take a lesson from the name of the biggest 527 ... move on.

Wow. I wonder what George Soros is saying this morning ... he thought he bought himself a presidency ...

Re-elected Bush. Gains in the Senate. Gains in the House. Gains in governors races, state assemblies, and local elections.

This is a serious question: in light of the fact that the progressive movement staged a very effective get out the vote campaign, had access to massive amounts of money, by most accounts won the debates, did everything "right" in the election, why do you think they lost this election in such spectacular fashion? Is it a process failure (somehow didn't manage to communicate their issues) or an ideology failure (most people know their issues and disagree)?

-sm

Without access to any scholarly articles or analysis, I'm going with ideology failure.

What the Democrats and Left think the country wants was clearly not what the country wanted, this time.

This is particularly shown by the house and senate races, I think.

It's not just R this time. It's overwhelmingly R.

I think what needs to be examined more politically would be values, rather than issues alone.

If you don't have time to deal with all of all of our "pointless frustration" why are you responding to so many threads about it? Shouldn't you be out wrangling nuts?

If Kerry would have won, would you have clammed up stated that it's time to "move on"? I doubt it--I suspect you be debating the election and the outcome just like everybody else is. It appears that you are enjoying gloating over the victory of "your guy," despite the fact that he didn't even carry your state.

Well, then why are you? Go wrangle your nuts and whistle a merry tune. Your side won, isn't that enough for you? Now, you want the rest of us to be happy about it. That's asking a bit much, don't you think? Judging by the way you've hung around here gloating, I think you probably would have hung around being gloomy, as well, if your side had lost.

I think it's simpler than that. The Democrats put Kerry up there. I voted for the guy, but not because I liked him. He is NOT inspiring. I can't speak for the swing voters, but I think if Bill Clinton's clone were able to run, Bush would have been pummled. It wasn't communication or ideology. It was personality.

so, they're not quite perfect. far from my biggest flaw, though.

I don't think Clinton is relative in this context
 

Simple fact is, Bill Clinton now holds no water. You look at 41's approval ratings in 1991 during the Iraq war, primo. But once war was over the recession was revealed in all of its crapiness. I don't Bill Clinton would have done much better in this environment. His constant polling and his verbal acrobatics would scare voters now. Clinton served his purpose for the time, a time of relative peace and quiet. Of course, while he was leading trouble was brewing. Sending cruise missles, meeting with Yasser Arafat, and pulling out of Somalia didn't help. Let's face it, Clinton, and any such clone would only work in the 90's period.

-Walrus

Republicans have become the masters of framing issues in misleading light. I bet a significant number of people voting for gay marriage bans thought that the courts were going to force churches to perform gay marriages. A disturbing number of Republicans think we found WMD in Iraq and Saddam was involved in 9-11. The Swift Boat Veterans were treated as a he-said-she-said, despite the fact that absolutely none of the physical or contemporary evidence, or prior statements by many members, supported their accusations. Everybody knows two or three "flip-flops" by Kerry, but massive Bush flip-flops went unmentioned.

Democrats just don't have the media machine, and hopefully they will find a way to be as effective without becoming as deceptive.

Yikes, that's an unpleasant picture. They're yellow too--you're a smoker, no? Have you thought about just forgetting the whole thing and getting dentures? :)

you're just bitter because i like to take pot shots at your tired ass.

you'd bang me.

trollop

Dude, how old are you? From the content of you last few posts I'd guess about 15. Seriously, nobody cares what your teeth look like, and nobody is interested in your crass, immature comments. It's totally pathetic, and you're making a huge fool of yourself.

He's way past that point. We all are, or were, or will be doing such.

It is inebitabull...

With your strap-on or hers? ;)

Dude, how old are you? From the content of you last few posts I'd guess about 15.

That is an awfully purty, scruff-free, baby-smooth chin up there...

precisely.



and garnet, not only are you ugly, stupid and butch, but you have zero sense of humor as well.

retard

I'd rather talk about strap-ons and fur-lined handcuffs than Who Voted For Who(m?)

I really would. Let's turn this thread into a raving, slavering, hot sex board! ;)

LJ--you go first since you're the nastiest. (you know, "nasty" in a good way)