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finding_nirvana 03-08-2005 12:30 PM

The World as it is, What we are, and What We are looking for.
 
Display your views, I am about as interested as what you have to say, as you are in saying it. What are we, where are we going, what are we, or you looking for. Only you can answer you questions, based on your knowledge, tell me your ideas... fate may be closer than you thought, destiny... can be right at your door

mrnoodle 03-08-2005 12:52 PM

I'm always far too willing to share my view on anything. But can you be more specific? And I'm locking my door. Destiny keeps peeking in the window and running off. I'm starting to get creeped out

wolf 03-08-2005 01:14 PM

I'm looking for a really good cheesesteak and winning lottery numbers, which, incidentally, I think is the solution to all the world's problems.

Trilby 03-08-2005 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle
And I'm locking my door. Destiny keeps peeking in the window and running off. I'm starting to get creeped out

Thanks--made me laugh.

Life is Hard. It is, according to some, supposed to be hard. I've tried mightily to stay on the Road to Respectability but keep falling off. Why? I only wish I knew. Maybe I'm supposed to rely on the Spirit more than I have been. Maybe there is light somewhere. I'm programmed to hope. Whatever works. A really awesome cheesesteak can be a sign. I look for those moments.

OnyxCougar 03-08-2005 03:24 PM

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finding_nirvana 03-08-2005 04:56 PM

I myself feel trapped, though a cheesesteak would be good at this time, materialistic things don't matter to me, I pay more attention to the grasping of an inner peace (hence the name). Like many, I mask myself to look as what other people want to see, and I have denied other ways to be. People don't want the truth, because people can't bear the truth, most people expect the truth but in turn they give not truth, people expect love but give not love in return. My view of this life, is we are just a rock floating in an infinite black void, alone, and yet surrounded by others in this chasm. I suppose I am a robot now, nothing more than just mechanical, or meybe just better than human, for I have abandoned religion, myth, legend, and I have turned to science to solve my life. I have abondoned god and the theory of this testing ground. Die alone, siece to funtion. Only human, not more than mortal. And so, here I am, cast out of scociety as a mind, but accepted as a body. We are not alone in this void on this rock, humans emitt more than just pollution, we emitt a field of energy, an energy of thought, emotion, and instinct. Not more than animals, but and no less than god, we hold the magnifiying glass... shall we use it. And so if you have read this far, you may have a better idea as to what I wish to see among the posts. Express youself, I'm watching.

~[i]"You are a very odd boy, but I suppose... after all, as our mothers always told us, at least mine has 'always try new things'." -Hannibal Lector

Griff 03-08-2005 05:22 PM

I think its important to try to be consolidated as a human being. We're all like these amazingly complex jig-saw puzzles that we have an unknown amount of time to complete. We're humans sometimes we have to feel deeply sometimes not, explore the unknown, create something, improve the lives of those around us, seek spiritual fulfillment, make music, find food, clothing, shelter, despair and exalt all in little pieces the size of which we all choose hoping to fill all the holes to be a complete person. And if that doesn't work there is always booze and chicks to fall back on.

Trilby 03-08-2005 05:25 PM

I think we emit a field of energy that is directly related to the Spiritual. We are spiritual beings having a human experience, to crib from the alcoholics! :blush: The more I rely on materials and things to fulfill me, the lonelier I become. However, being, at core, a near-pathologically shy person, I am handicapped and seek relief thru all-to-human means. There will never be an end to this tension/struggle. Well, maybe in death.

xoxoxoBruce 03-08-2005 06:23 PM

In death you may move to a tougher struggle. Better to stay with one you know. ;)

Brown Thrasher 03-08-2005 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna
Thanks--made me laugh.

Life is Hard. It is, according to some, supposed to be hard. I've tried mightily to stay on the Road to Respectability but keep falling off. Why? I only wish I knew. Maybe I'm supposed to rely on the Spirit more than I have been. Maybe there is light somewhere. I'm programmed to hope. Whatever works. A really awesome cheesesteak can be a sign. I look for those moments.

I view you as working hard down your road to destiny. Maybe the light is in you. I think you should keep searching for those moments. In my opinion we all know more than we are willing to accept. Laughter was invented for those needing it the most. Sometimes, I make myself laugh, to keep from....... :)

Brown Thrasher 03-08-2005 09:50 PM

The world as it is sucks and can be beautiful at the same time. I don't know what you or others are. However, I know what I'm looking for, to be able to look in the mirror and like what I see. Not in a physical sence, but to actually see all the shit-energy circling me make itself into one big ball and leave forever....Maybe , then I could open my eyes and find clarity.

monicakat 03-08-2005 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna
The more I rely on materials and things to fulfill me, the lonelier I become.

I completely agree. Maybe I don't need to understand why I'm here, or what I'm supposed to accomplish, but instead manage to have a good feeling about the things I do and the way I effect others. I'm probably at the happiest I've ever been right now, and I'm at a point in life where I don't have much to call my own. Starting a new career and taking a *drastic* pay cut has me pretty much where I was when I graduated high school. But I'm doing things that I feel great about.
The things I dread the most are the things I feel best about once they're finished. Volunteering early in the morning, I hate it. But I know once it's over the rest of the day will be wonderful.
My opinions are nothing I haven't heard bunches of people say over the years- but as a person who just 4 years ago thought I'd never be able to get out of bed or god forbid be happy, these are revelations. And I cherish them. I just try to stay in the sun. :luv:

finding_nirvana 03-09-2005 11:51 AM

This is interesting, I like your responses. It seems that many of you have the same theories, or views, yet I remain the same, I enjoy seeing different views rather than conformety. I told someone close to me what I was, it did not make either of us happy, but I had given the truth, none of my view, but the truth, it has not made me happier, but it has indeed brought me closer to what I am looking for. The truth is there, why lie? Someone will find out sooner or later, nobody knows that I am sexually corrupt, someday, someone will find out, most likely the stalker, meybe even success. Someone will know. And here is my question to you, what makes some of us so corrupt, I lead a good life, my parents are good, but I still reject that fact, but they are, so why am I what I am, any ideas?

"You are a strange little boy, but I suppose... after all, as our mothers always told us, or at least mine did, 'try anything once'." ~Hannibal Lector

mrnoodle 03-09-2005 04:56 PM

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I was looking for a submission for the pic association thread, and came across something that I think fits here. Well, here more than elsewhere.

Happy Monkey 03-09-2005 05:12 PM

Not to change this into another pic association thread...

http://www.angryflower.com/crisis.gif

xoxoxoBruce 03-09-2005 06:18 PM

:lol2:

Happy Monkey 03-09-2005 06:57 PM

Yeah, Bob the Angry Flower is hit and miss, but when it hits it HITS. I make it a point to buy every book he comes out with.

finding_nirvana 03-09-2005 08:25 PM

I wish I had the answer, humans are primitive, I wish I were more than human, better, maybe that would be better, just being a spiritless robot with no emotion, built to know. Maybe it would be better if that was what we are, rapists would find no more lust, murderers would find not hate. And the hungry man, the poor man, would not long for money, or alchohol, instead, he would might not even be there, robots would make good decisions. I feel that the rest of us are straying from the subject, pictures? comic reels, those are not the answers, at least I don't think they are.

"You are a very odd little boy, but I suppose... after all, as our mothers always told us, or at least my mother did, 'always try new things'."

Catwoman 03-10-2005 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by finding_nirvana
I wish I were more than human, better

More than human? More? Silly boy. Do your homework.

finding_nirvana 03-10-2005 05:09 PM

Catwoman, I'm not sure what you don't understand, I was pretty straight forward, humans have stupid emotions, that maybe we shouldn't have, I wish that maybe I could be a higher being. Not all powerfull, but better than human, we are primitive, but maybe primitive can be good.

xoxoxoBruce 03-10-2005 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by finding_nirvana
I wish I had the answer, humans are primitive, I wish I were more than human, better, maybe that would be better, just being a spiritless robot with no emotion, built to know.

No, you want to be different, better is entirely subjective.
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Maybe it would be better if that was what we are, rapists would find no more lust, murderers would find not hate. And the hungry man, the poor man, would not long for money, or alchohol, instead, he would might not even be there, robots would make good decisions. I feel that the rest of us are straying from the subject, pictures? comic reels, those are not the answers, at least I don't think they are.
YES THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!! We are not machines, we are humans, we have emotions! Something which you are obviously afraid of. Take off the blinders and look around instead of tunnel visioning your way through life. Christ, you even wax poetic in monotone. Lighten up, especially on yourself. :p

Brown Thrasher 03-10-2005 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
No, you want to be different, better is entirely subjective. YES THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!! We are not machines, we are humans, we have emotions! Something which you are obviously afraid of. Take off the blinders and look around instead of tunnel visioning your way through life. Christ, you even wax poetic in monotone. Lighten up, especially on yourself. :p

I disagree. Better is not necessarily subjective. For example, it would be "better" to have heat if it is 10 degrees outside. Objectively, it would be "better" for your health. However, the word better is pretty generic...... :)

Catwoman 03-11-2005 03:20 AM

True, 'better' is not subjective. There is a right way and a wrong way (thus a better and a worse way) that overrides opinion.

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Originally Posted by finding_whatever
humans have stupid emotions, that maybe we shouldn't have, I wish that maybe I could be a higher being

Emotions can get in the way, I agree. But whether we should or shouldn't have them, the fact is we do, so what are you going to do about it? Sit there pining because you're so emotional? Or get over whatever the fuck is bothering you, accept then relinquish your emotion (because you've seen it for what it is, right) and you will be the 'higher' being you so desire to be. Honestly, it works!

xoxoxoBruce 03-11-2005 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Brown Thrasher
I disagree. Better is not necessarily subjective. For example, it would be "better" to have heat if it is 10 degrees outside. Objectively, it would be "better" for your health. However, the word better is pretty generic...... :)

STRAWMAN.
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Originally Posted by finding_nirvana.
I wish I had the answer, humans are primitive, I wish I were more than human, better, maybe that would be better, just being a spiritless robot with no emotion, built to know.
Is what he wrote and what I responded to. I still say better is entirely subjective. You would know that if you ever lived with an unfeeling, uncaring robot. :eyebrow:

xoxoxoBruce 03-11-2005 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Catwoman
True, 'better' is not subjective. There is a right way and a wrong way (thus a better and a worse way) that overrides opinion.

You, of all people, should know that's not true. Need I point out your posts about what works for you in "relationships" isn't necessarily what works for others. One is right and one is wrong? C'mon. :hafucking

Catwoman 03-11-2005 04:28 AM

No no no. There is a right way and a wrong way. What you or I think about it is irrelevant. Romantic relationships don't work. Surely you've worked that one out by now. So I'm trying to find what does work. I'm not saying I've got it right, yet. But at least I'm not going to follow the same destructive unhealthy pattern my entire life, and still maintain the belief that what I was doing was right, just with the wrong person. We're all the same. What's right for me is right for you, if (bold, underline) it is actually right and not just my subjective 'opinion'.

Brown Thrasher 03-11-2005 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
STRAWMAN.
Is what he wrote and what I responded to. I still say better is entirely subjective. You would know that if you ever lived with an unfeeling, uncaring robot. :eyebrow:

We all have opinions...... Believe it or not, I tend to appreciate :) most of yours.
However, this is one I do not agree with. However, we have better things to debate, than whether a word is subjective or objective........

Mad_Hatter 03-11-2005 03:09 PM

I think finding_nirvana should see a counciler

Elspode 03-11-2005 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by finding_nirvana
I wish I had the answer, humans are primitive, I wish I were more than human, better, maybe that would be better, just being a spiritless robot with no emotion, built to know. Maybe it would be better if that was what we are, rapists would find no more lust, murderers would find not hate. And the hungry man, the poor man, would not long for money, or alchohol, instead, he would might not even be there, robots would make good decisions. I feel that the rest of us are straying from the subject, pictures? comic reels, those are not the answers, at least I don't think they are.

"You are a very odd little boy, but I suppose... after all, as our mothers always told us, or at least my mother did, 'always try new things'."

Anyone remember Jo3liot? :eyebrow:

xoxoxoBruce 03-12-2005 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Catwoman
No no no. There is a right way and a wrong way. What you or I think about it is irrelevant. Romantic relationships don't work. Surely you've worked that one out by now. So I'm trying to find what does work. I'm not saying I've got it right, yet. But at least I'm not going to follow the same destructive unhealthy pattern my entire life, and still maintain the belief that what I was doing was right, just with the wrong person. We're all the same. What's right for me is right for you, if (bold, underline) it is actually right and not just my subjective 'opinion'.

That can't be true because what didn't work for you did work for others so it was right for them.
It's what I tried to point out to nirvana, people are different and any one size fits all solution only works with his emotionless robots. :)

xoxoxoBruce 03-12-2005 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Brown Thrasher
We all have opinions...... Believe it or not, I tend to appreciate :) most of yours.
However, this is one I do not agree with. However, we have better things to debate, than whether a word is subjective or objective........

The debate is not whether the word is subjective or objective. The debate is whether it would be better to be an emotionless robot as he pines.
To that I say absolutely not. :headshake

Mad_Hatter 03-12-2005 03:31 PM

Interesting concept, it may be better if we were robots, but despite what's better, I think we should remain human for now, one can play at being a robot, it might make your life easier, and less painless, but, it's a lot more fun to be human (that kind of contradicts my belief on my diet, lol, it may taste better to eat bad food, so do it, man, I just confused myself). Yeah so, thats my view on the whole robot thing, other than that, its cool.

BigV 03-12-2005 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by ->Mad Hatter<-
Interesting concept, it may be better if we were robots, but despite what's better, I think we should remain human for now, one can play at being a robot, it might make your life easier, and less painless, but, it's a lot more fun to be human (that kind of contradicts my belief on my diet, lol, it may taste better to eat bad food, so do it, man, I just confused myself). Yeah so, thats my view on the whole robot thing, other than that, its cool.
How appropos. Yeah.
:confused:

xoxoxoBruce 03-12-2005 03:49 PM

Ya know, you might have something there...Hmmm...
Kill human = murder
Kill robot = malicious mischief? vandalism?
:idea:

BigV 03-12-2005 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Ya know, you might have something there...Hmmm...
Kill human = murder
Kill robot = malicious mischief? vandalism?
:idea:

kill robot==wreck car==accident?

Brown Thrasher 03-12-2005 10:13 PM

The concept of a human being a robot is ridiculous. However, If my man doesn't want to deal with emotions. there are drugs for that. He can check into any psy ward, tell the doctor he would like to be an emotional robot without feelings; I'm sure they can find something like Haldol or thorazine to help him find an emotionaless state of mind.......Problem is he may receive the side effects of tardive dyskinesia more troublesome......

xoxoxoBruce 03-12-2005 11:08 PM

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The concept of a human being a robot is ridiculous.
I see, so would you say his statement that being emotionless like a robot would be better......makes better rather subjective? :cool:

Catwoman 03-14-2005 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by brown thrasher's signature
"The person who confesses that there is such a thing as truth, which is distinguished from falsehood simply by this, that if acted on it will carry us to the point we aim at and not astray, and then, though convinced of this, dares not know the truth and seeks to avoid it, is in a sorry state of mind indeed."

Very true.

Mad_Hatter 03-14-2005 10:23 AM

I bet crazy guy likes your answers, I like your answers, but he hasn't answered in like forever. Well for a few posts. Yeah ya know, if you wanna be emotionless go get some valium or something like that. We have to understand, that, humans' chemical balance of hormones and stuff like that can't be altered, we were born with these balances, you might not want to alter that balance, look at the people who take Zoloft, there was that kid who killed his grandparents and burned down their house `cause he was on that stuff man. Perscription, its a killer.

Mad_Hatter 03-29-2005 03:29 PM

Well, apparently, everyone has lost interest in this thread, I think its a very philisophical thread, the world as it is, hmm, I'm not sure, it's a place, a rock in space, a dimension, what are we looking for? Hmm, not sure, I'm looking for a life, thats what people tell me, playing solitaire for four hours stait gave me a little entertainment, but thats not exactly what I am looking for. Right now its spring, I feel dreamy and very out of focus, so I suppose I have what people might call "spring fever", and in this little state of mind I know what I want, I want the deeply subliminal inner fantacies, to be real.

Troubleshooter 03-29-2005 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
I want the deeply subliminal inner fantacies, to be real.

Just for you or for everybody?

Imagine a world of dueling realities. Hey, that might be kind of fun. Strength of will would reign supreme.

It sure would suck to be a lot of people in my reality...

Mad_Hatter 04-03-2005 01:18 PM

It would be hella interesting, but no, I don't think you guys want my world, you'd get lost. lol.


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