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Clodfobble 07-31-2005 11:26 AM

Rise and Shine
 
I am so perplexed by people who sleep until the afternoon. My husband is one of these people, and I just can't relate. How is it, for example, that *I* was the one who came home tipsy at 3:00 AM last night, and yet I was the one wide awake at 9:00 AM and he's currently still asleep?

How is it that even when he goes to bed at 10:00, he sleeps until 11:00? My best friend's husband is like this too. Is this a chick thing, or are there male morning people too? :headshake

elSicomoro 07-31-2005 11:30 AM

My girlfriend's mom and sister apparently sleep in on a regular...neither of them got up until noonish yesterday...April (my gf) was up at 9.

I am generally up between 7 and 10am. Very rarely do I sleep in...even if I'm up late. I went to bed at 3:30 this morning and was up at 9.

wolf 07-31-2005 11:31 AM

I will rise, but I will certainly not shine ...

Because of my work schedule I go to sleep around 3 or 4 am most nights, and wake (on my own without an alarm clock) between 11a and noon.

Eight hours is eight hours, doesn't really matter which time of day they fall in, does it?

elSicomoro 07-31-2005 11:34 AM

Sure it can...the body hits its lowest temps in the morning, regardless of what hours we keep. Sleeping at hours other than overnight can really fuck a person up b/c it goes against the bio clock.

melidasaur 07-31-2005 11:38 AM

I need 9 hours of sleep... if I don't, I'm exhausted. I don't feel messed up because i usually get up at 10.

zippyt 07-31-2005 11:38 AM

Clod , I can stay up drinking untill 5 am and i will only sleep untill 10 am at the latest ,
normaly i wake up at 7:30 - 8 am

Happy Monkey 07-31-2005 02:03 PM

10am is about as late as I am capable of sleeping in. And even then, I'm generally awake at 9, and just laying there with my eyes closed until 10.

Elspode 07-31-2005 04:14 PM

As I go for literally months at a time getting only five or maybe six hours of sleep per night, when I crash and sleep in, I do an admirable job of it, sleeping from like 2:00 AM to 1:00 PM. I always feel disoriented and fucked up from it, though.

xoxoxoBruce 07-31-2005 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sycamore
Sure it can...the body hits its lowest temps in the morning, regardless of what hours we keep. Sleeping at hours other than overnight can really fuck a person up b/c it goes against the bio clock.

You've never worked shift work. The bio clock changes, if it didn't you couldn't move to CA or Japan. :eyebrow:

busterb 07-31-2005 06:32 PM

Yep! for years I got up at 4:30 am To get ready for work at seven, but I'm a slow starter. After 12 years of no work I still wake to pee close to 4:30. Then I go back to sleep and get up when I want to. But with back and hip aches from staying in bed too long. Once I worked offshore the midnight to noon shift, talk about driving a wife nutts when I got home. She's ready for bed and I'm just waking up and ready to go. Bye Honey! At least she paid for 1/2 the divorce. What a deal.

LCanal 08-02-2005 04:19 AM

I worked on ships for a while and we used to work 4 on - 8 off. So getting anymore than 6 to 6 1/2 straight was impossible. I'm not a morning person and have a hard time getting up if it's still dark outside. Also one has to have a reason to get up.
When in Bangkok I live above a bar. I can confirm that if one goes to bed inebriated at 2 - 2.30am almost everyday it's difficult to surface much before 10.00am. There was a bar owner in Phuket once who started putting the shutters on the bar at 5.00pm. When asked why, he didn't realize it was not 5.00am :lol:

breakingnews 08-02-2005 07:26 AM

These days I cover the desk from 7 am to 3:30 pm. I'm typically in bed by midnight, up at 6, but since the rest of my friends don't have to be in until like 10 or 11, I'm often persuaded to stay out a little bit later. I get chided all the time, but I keep telling them that they just don't understand how painful it is ...

Anyway, I've always been a morning person. I'm up by 8 am regardless of what day or how late I stayed awake the night before. I get it from my parents, who will wake up ridiculously early and just sit around reading or tinkering, even if it means they will be tired in a few hours and have to take a nap.

Mmmm nappp ...

Troubleshooter 08-02-2005 07:27 AM

Everytime a sleep thread comes up I'm reminded of how we did things on the boat. As bizarre as it may sound it works really well.

18 hour cycles with six on watch, six working and six in the rack.You end up sleeping plenty and in a week you get ten six hour sleep cycles. That is if nothing comes up, like drills, or battlestations...

Trilby 08-02-2005 08:08 AM

I like to get up early and get random chores done. I'm usually up by 8. I used to work 7pm to 7am three nights a week and that really, REALLY screws your system up--despite four days off a week I was tired all the time. Was brutal. I'll never do it again. Straight third shift is a bitch, too. People just refuse to understand that you sleep until 3 or 4 in the afternoon, that it's normal for you. People would stop by or call around noon thinking I should certainly be up by now! No amount of roaring protest could change their thinking.

SouthOfNoNorth 08-02-2005 08:27 AM

with me, my morning condition almost always depends on my mental attitude about the day. if i have something interesting to look forward to, even after being up drinking until 3 on a sunday night, i can jump out of bed. it's the in between days that kill me. if you know you're just going to have to "ride the day out" those days are the worst. i usually go out for drinks on thursday nights and don't get too much sleep, but it doesn't matter because fridays in the office are always easy days. i have also learned the fine art of the after work nap - used to perpetuate the stay out late/get up early for work drudgery cycle. ;) :coffee:

lookout123 08-02-2005 08:44 AM

everyday is different. today i'm up early because i have to lead a seminar on a specific area of estate planning. Yippee! gimme my coffee...

Queen of the Ryche 08-02-2005 09:31 AM

Ooohhh... a seminar... you're so lucky.......30 people show up for free donuts and coffee, and you'll get one $1000 IRA.........

Sorry. One of those mornings. I'm up at 4:30 during the week (PST, but the biz is based on EST); 6 or 7 on weekends (2 year old doesn't sleep much past then). I know - cry me a river. I actually like it - I'm more of a morning person.

lookout123 08-02-2005 09:54 AM

nah, most of my seminars are ok. i have 8-20 people show up mostly established clients, guests are only allowed by referral. i usually do $25-30K in business on seminar mornings. not because i'm a brilliant salesperson, but because the ones who are clients already tend to wait until seminar morning to conduct business, rather than calling 2/3 days before or 2/3 days after. usually the business i get is directly tied to the last seminar topic, so it is a nice way to annuitize my business.

wolf 08-02-2005 11:05 AM

I leave for a camping trip tomorrow. I have been trying to switch my sleep schedule around to match the rest of the world, since I have to be at the gathering point at 9AM tomorrow, which is about an hour's drive away from where I live.

That may not sound like a lot to you guys ... but it's brutal, I tell you!

I don't know what's worse ... "going" to bed at 11pm and then staring at the ceiling and the walls for the next three hours, or having the alarm clock go off RIGHT after you've gotten to sleep?

melidasaur 08-02-2005 11:24 AM

I've been trying to get myself on a normal schedule for about 3 months. Now that I no long work in Residential Living and am no longer surrounded by college students who keep odd hours too, I thought it would be a lot easier... oh no. I go to bed about 12 and get up at 9. 10 or 11 is just way to early to go to bed... there so still so much that can be done during those two hours.

Actually, come to think of it, I'm not on a normal schedule - I just think I am... I live in CST now, not EST.

:( I need a 10-7 job.

Bullitt 08-02-2005 11:42 AM

I used to work from 2:30pm-midnight 5 days a week in Jo-Ann's Eastern US Distribution center, I was in charge a Unit which was a 4 story structure with a line running through it getting orders filled inside the warehouse, but only the top two levels had motorized lines. And my job was to keep the line moving as about 12 other people filled orders by taking items off the stock shelves and loading them into boxes on the line. I had to then keep these SKU's of about 50 or so boxes all together and moving, all while more orders for the next SKU, or two, or three, were being loaded by my impatient coworkers and placed on the line out of order. So my job was to keep all this crap flowing by running up and down the 4 stories of stairs jockying boxes around and praying that I didn't miss any, otherwise I'd get chewed out by my supervisor because the whole line to the loading dock would have to stop while they sorted out the misplaced order into it's correct SKU. Plus there was the damn bander on the 4th level which I had to take boxes that were too small off the line and around it and place back on the motorized line because if a box that was too small went through, the bander would get a plastic band bound up inside of it up and I'd have to shut down the line, open the machine up, untangle it, reload the spool, and start it back up again; all while people are waiting for the line to move and putting more out of sync orders on the line all three floors below me.

It was hell in a warehouse...

I did this the entire night, every night 5 days a week with overtime on Saturdays if they needed stuff done. My previous position was just loading boxes into the trailors at the loading dock, but after this Unit had gone through 3 other guys who couldn't handle the job, they decided hey lets send in the kid.. I pretty much went to work at 2:30pm, came home around 12:30am, slept until noon the next day, ate breakfast then got ready for work again.

Pretty much the most miserable job/sleep cycle I've ever had.

elSicomoro 08-02-2005 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
You've never worked shift work. The bio clock changes, if it didn't you couldn't move to CA or Japan. :eyebrow:

Please reread my post...a body can get used to a time zone change (though it has to adjust a bit when going west), but has a hell of a time dealing with working 3rd shift. In addition to the research out there, I speak on this with personal experience as well.

xoxoxoBruce 08-02-2005 05:48 PM

Wait a minute, since I was born and raised in the Eastern time zone my body temperature will drop according to the Eastern Time zone morning no matter where I live?
Personally I'd rather work third shift and sleep days. I've done it for stretches of a few months to a couple years on 6 or 7 different occasions. Never had a bit of trouble adjusting to it. Matter of fact, I prefer it. I've worked third with people that couldn't stay awake if their lives depended on it, though. :biggrin:

elSicomoro 08-03-2005 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Wait a minute, since I was born and raised in the Eastern time zone my body temperature will drop according to the Eastern Time zone morning no matter where I live?

No...once your body gets familiar with your surroundings, it'll act according to that time zone. So, if you go to Alaska, your body will eventually get used to functioning on Alaska time if you stay there awhile.

Some people can deal with 3rd shift just fine...I personally can't, though I don't mind working those particular hours. Hell...I've been back in St. Louis for a month now, and I'm still having problems with adjusting to the time change. And that was only an hour difference.

We should talk to a real expert on this...Jag?

lookout123 08-03-2005 12:34 AM

your answer will have to wait until he returns from the hinterlands.


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