Chinese in Space
 

It sounds to me like Ms Hoo doesn't approve of China spending money on space shots while the people live in poverty.
The Astronauts are ready, the spaceship is ready and most importantly, the propaganda machine is ready. :tinfoil:

Well, they blasted off sucessfully.
They won't have to run the video of other countries failing. :rolleyes:

Good for them.

Why? Is it worth the expense for bragging rights? They already have a good business going launching satillites. What do they have to gain from these manned missions? :confused:

Hey,this article is a little jaundiced :o .
There are many disputes about it in China now,many people think that gov should use the money in other place too.I'm not very interested in this launching,but I would support gov this time,because this is much more important than most people know.

You could ask all the same questions about our Space Station and plan for a Mars mission. From a practical point of view, our manned space program doesn't make too much sense either.

Agreed! Now that we and the Russians have proven it's not profitable, or at least not the efficient way to spend space money, why are the Chinese flogging the dead horse?
Maybe the distrust of the capitalist running dogs makes them think we've been witholding secrets they will discover up there. :headshake

Sometimes success is profit enough.

Hi Bruce,your conception of today's China is far behind the times,I havn't heard word "capitalist running dogs" from the media for about 20 years and "communism" for about five years--even longer :) .
Here's an article(part) from a Chinese inofficial commercial analyzing and consulting company,it related to this topic,I'll try to translate it,and...of course,pls be patient with my &*^!@&^!@&%^ English:

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[Eastern current affairs analyse:Behind Galileo,there's actually a large layout of "China,EU and Russia oppose US together"]

10/25/2004

As early as 1980s,president of US Reagan ratified "Strategic Defense Initiative(SDI)",this required US army to develop a defense system which can defense the missile attacking from USSR using out space science and technology.This plan once begot violent opposing from ally of US.Along with the end of cold war,SDI died in its bed too.Little does one think,20 years later,the SDI resurrect again and this time,Washington wants much more than before:to be the only overlord of out space.

After quote one news,analyst will start today's commentary.

*US threatened to destroy the satellites developed by EU and China together,maybe demarcate flying forbidden zone of satellites*
<business weekly> of US yesterday...(pass over)

*EU made a uncompromising response*
...(pass over)

*can rivalize with Ameria's Geography Information System(GPS)*
...(pass over)


[news commentary]
*What's everybody's feeling of US's uncomfortable with EU's "Galileo" plan?*

We took notice of one sentence in the news,the analyst said that US's menace to "Galileo" showed evidence of the real martial value of GPS.From our point of view,he's right,but still havn't point out the essential.

However,since most people like to analyze it from military viewpoint,news analyst will comment this menace to EU from military viewpoint together with our military affairs analyst,and find out the deep reason why US not hesitate to threaten to destroy the "Galileo" satellites of EU.

*Two mostly seeming reasons why US is hostile to "Galileo"*

Our military affairs analyst's viewpoint,if think it only from military,we could easy see that there are two mostly seeming reasons why US is hostile to "Galileo".First,as the analyst above said,it is because GPS is the core of the satellite navigating technology which can be use in both military and civil area,it has a great value of military and economy.

As we know,US is the overlord of satellite navigating all along--at least 25 years.But now,he's in face of strong challenge.In fact,from Irag war,people on the earth got various notes,the most important one is to study a wisdom again:there's only eonian interest between countries,no eonian friends.

*Sequela of US's overrating of his military power*

Military affairs analyst's viewpoint,to US,who's tring for get the eminent domain of the world,the outcome of Irag war which was supposed to be much more simple,could be described as sequela of overrating his military power.Maybe you can remember,during the Irag war,there was a period of time that US's cruise missile which was always highly exact,and a lot of deft bombs depend on GPS flew to many wrong places after they arriving the target area.

When the whole world be curious it,the leader of the Pentagon,Rumsfeld and US Secretary of State Colin Powell started to rebuke Russia that some people in the war industry "smuggle" a kind of GPS interfering apparatus to Irag "privately" angrily and professed that if Russia do nothing to stop it,US will retaliate.

And we noticed too,at first Russia rebuffed this rebuking,instead they said:"Is US's cruise missile so easy to be interfered?".In fact,from military affairs analyst's viewpoint,why the "battle-ax" cruise missile's ability of anti-jamming is much lower than US crowed about,the reason is that the GPS of US is so easy to interfering.

*Putin was really sulky,he decided to let "battle-ax" flying in confusion*

As for the "retaliating" Washington said,from our point of view at that time,just a kind of helpless browbeat.In fact, the GPS interfering apparatus which made Rumsfeld so angry,is just a electron apparatus size as a cigarette box,it's not some extraordinary technology,not only Russia,China and Europe can make it too,and already equipped the army long time ago.

from the information after this event,it's evident that there wasn't a "resultful talk" between US and Ruassia before the war,and wasn't a "resultful talk" after the war starting too.Some observers said with a little jocose that it was because Putin saw that American's bombs like to bomb oil equipments of Russian companys especially,so he was really sulky,and decided to let "battle-ax" flying in confusion as warinning.

Since rebuking and threatening were useless,Bush sent Rice to Moscow and talked with Putin for several days,then Putin appeared personally and only said in Washington mode:can't exclude the possibility of someone "smuggle" GPS interfering apparatus to third country "privately",then make a detour to irag.

Of course,along with "battle-ax" started to far away from Russian equipments,there flying line looks "much more normal".

*US's GPS is indispensable,but as well as very weak*

Military affairs analyst mention the "history" here is to show the fact that GPS is not only a indispensable part of US army,but also "very weak".

So,from our viewpoint,the weakness of US's GPS is a important academic basic of unrestricted war which was brought forward by two Chinese armyman.The "unrestricted war" has been published all over the world now,either China,or Europe or Russia,has the ability to implement it,and has the ability to pinch off US army's global navigate system" in wartime,put a lot of US army's military equipment into darkness.

*US wants to upgrade GPS,but "Galileo" occupy the "navigating frequency" preemptivly*

Said so many words,we just want to prove that the 25 years old GPS is not only weak,but also has a shortcoming of low precision,American want to upgrade it a long time ago.

To increase precision,US must use new navigating frequency,but this frequency is token up by European for "Galileo".What makes American intranquil is that "Galileo" has better ability of anti-jamming and has higher locating precision:it's precision is 1 meter,and current GPS is 20 meter.

But up to now,though GPS has this or that shortcoming,it's the only one in the world,although Russia and China already have there own satellite navigating system,but in range and precision,still can't mention in the same breath with GPS.

*US can cut off the effective signal of GPS at any moment*

This means that China,Russia and Europe who depend on GPS in the same way,might can't receive the effective signal of GPS at any moment in future because American won't let you use it.Not faraway,just look into the conjunctures and wars recent years,without exception,every time at the moment of truth,US manipulated GPS arbitrarily only "according to his own desire",monopolize it's military use,or shutdown it's civil capability pro tempore,totally ignore the feeling of other country,include European country.

In business,if want to use GPS,must buy American signal receiving equipments.Air industry of Europe such as Air Bus,completely depend on American equipments.It's a difficult live under other's control,so although US force them for many times,European still decided to "self-depend",and break the monopoly of US.

*The reason why US can't abide with "Galileo" is full of self-serving*

"Galileo" was born on this situation and this is the second seeming reason why US is hostile to "Galileo"."Galileo" will be a global satellite navigating system European make to US-independent.From Military affairs analyst's point of view,when it's done,"Galileo" could let participators gain great industrial and commercial benefit,and more important,it will let European have the precondition to found their "European Common Security Defense System",this a important reason why US can't abide with "Galileo".

But as we add "seeming" before reason,we think the deep reason is much more self-serving.

We know that early to last year,the Pentagon had already started to design a new SDI plan,full of ambition.News disclose that SDI of Bush's version is much more advanced than the Reagan's version,it is absolutely not exaggerated that we say the plan is "full of ambition",in fact,Bush's version only uses the name of Reagan's plan,the content is almost totally new.

*The Pentagon want to found "out space patroling armada*

What Bush and his team want is develop a large number of militory space ship,found out space patroling armada,then found a powerful militory empire out of ozonosphere.This plan begot a high watchfulness from Europe.One stratagem analysis of Europe we got point out that if US actualize their plan successfully,at least to year 2014,US will be the only one of out space.

The conclusion of this report is,if this happed,the largest change of world politics and Security situation in the history will occur,at that time,US will not has any ally of conventional meaning,he will just has servants of conventional meaning.

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Thanks xker. First of all, "capitalist running dogs" was a joke. Most people here are aware it's an old reference and at least 20 years out of date.
Communism may not be used in your media but it's still used in the west for a number of countries.
I'm well aware that China is evolving. It will be interesting to see the balance working itself out between the government and business.

The article you translated is interesting in that it gives another point of view to the happenings in the military objectives of different parties. Some I was not aware of, some I think is right and others I suspect (or know) are wrong.

BUT, my question is why are the Chinese using their resources for a manned effort that will give them the same result that a less expensive unmanned program can yield? They should be able to ascertain from studying the Russian and US programs that real progress has been achieved from the unmanned programs. :biggrin:

continue..

Of course,no one like to be a servant,especially Europe,who's care of human rights alot.When knew the intention of Bush's team,media of Europe disclose it firstly,furthermore European countries make difficulties through different channels.But we remember it clearly,after the people knew this intention,minister of US air force straightly warned US's allys don't say anything about it,and don't try to "do any veto".The message was very clear:it's useless to argue against this plan.

Our chief analyst point out that this "SDI" is not the old SDI,maybe to show their decision,the base camp of new conservatism,the Pentagon,named this plan "veto".How arbitrary is it,just like Rumsfeld and Cheney,the name is full of new conservatism too.This is understandable:there were no word "ally" in their brains when Rumsfeld and Cheney who are fans of force,threw out the "veto" plan soon after Bush declared the win of Irag war on aircraft carrier high-spirited and vigorous.

From military analyst's viewpoint,US GPS act as a crucial role in the Irag war,this made the Pentagon be more certain of that the key of global arms race is "how to get the right to control out space" apparently.

In fact,EU,who's power of economy equal to US,clearly know that one important reason of why US can attack Irag without considering there feeling is their un-solidarity.When we put our eyes on the "un-solidarity" of EU,we should think about it:why they can't draw together?

From chief analyst's viewpoint,the reason was shown early to Kosovo war.At that time,both France,Germany,UK and Italy were anxious to fight with Jugoslavia Union,but Clinton refuse to help them at first.

As far as European dollar started,Clinton decide to lead NATO to crumple Jugoslavia Union up.So,as the same time as EU pulled out the fuze of "Balkan" powder flask by dint of US's force,the neonatal EUR was beat down too.All this was because the weakness of EU's force.

In fact,EU wanted to solve the "Balkan" problem before EUR started,it's best for the stabilization of EUR,but they can't do it theirself,the fact proved that European don't dared to solve the strategic problem which is related to the life and death of a uniform EU without the help of American.

At last,European had no choice but using the opportunity that economy of US show it's evidence of decline,and Washington was afraid to see a strong EUR,and agree to attack Jugoslavia Union soon after the EUR started with US's help.

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Bruce:I'm not familiar with these,so I can't answer your question myself.But there's newest commentary about this launching from this company,I'll translate it when time's free :)

Hi,here's the new article,and...maybe I need to make it clearly that I'm not a democrat or adherent of force,I don't like to be duped,and articles from this company helped me :cool:

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[Eastern current affairs analyse,10/12/2005]
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At first,we appreciate people who are in the project of Chinese spaceflight.Thanks to their work,China can get his place of outer space technology which is veriest important to the security of China.

[the launching of Divine Vessel Six indicated the entirely startup of the second step of manned spaceflight plan of China]

As most people know,plan of manned spaceflight is make up of three steps,the first is launching unmanned and manned space ship,send cosmonaut to Low Earth Orbit safely,and let him back to earth safely.

The first step was finished after the first cosmonaut Yang Li Wei back to earth safely at 10/16/2003.

And the second step is breakthroughs of basic technology of manned spaceflight:multicosmonaut and multidays,manned outer space experimentation,cosmonauts walk out of cabin,accomplish linking space ship to Capsule.On base of these breakthroughs,launching short-term manned outer space lab,building a outer space engineering system with full equippment configure.

Apparently the launching of Divine Vessel Six indicated the entirely startup of the second step of manned spaceflight plan of China.

[China will raise a climax of "making use of outer space",but not only "making use of outer space pacifically"]

The third step is to found nonvolatile outer space lab,cosmonauts and scientists ferry between earth and space station,carry through larger scientific experimentations in outer space.After finishing the third step,Chinese cosmonaut and scientists's experimental activities will be regular and then found a solid base of "making use of outer space" and "developing wealth of outer space".

Please notice that what we want to emphasize is "making use of outer space" but not like premier Wen Jia Bao emphasized to international society at locale that the spaceflight technology of China is totally for "making use of outer space pacifically".

In fact,controversies of "pacifically" or "not toally pacifically" are all over the world along with the launching.

Next,let's read a kind of viewpoint,then we will give out our point of view.

[referenced news,pass over......]

Before comment on this news,we would say something else.At present,after China sent his cosmonauts to outer space,there are only two manned spacecrafts and four earthmen traveling in the outer space:a Russian and a American in "international space station" and to Chinese in Divine Vessel Six.

[actually,the list of nationalities is a roll call of qualification]

From our point of view,the list of nationalities in "international space station" and Divine Vessel Six,is actually a roll call of qualification that has the ability to launching manned spacecraft and carry through experimentations in outer space.

Apparently,look at the new concept of 'space army" through this fact,we could easyly raise a question:will there be a space armys race between the three large countries, China,USA and Russia who has the qualification?Will they build their space army which is used to fight in outer space competitivly?

["figure" and "core" of 'space army"]

At first,let's see what is 'space army".We think that the expert in the news has give out a exact definition to describe it's "figure" and "core",that is:it's "figure" is a new type of army differentiate from land army,navy and air force,it fights in the wide outer space;it's "core" is incarnated by "primary missions" it will take on:do battle in outer space,support battle of air,sea and land,and develop outer space,etc...

Through these,we can know that whether has 'space army" or not will be the key that determine whether a country can protect his advantage in the future or not.From our point of view,the great significance could compare with the role of strategic nuclear force on supporting a country's sacurity nowadays.

[from 'strategic angle of view" of two spuerpowers,why there is essential difference of having citybuster between China,UK and France? ]

Divine Vessel Six not only isn"t the first time China launching manned spaceflight,it's not the first time for earth village all the more.But just like after USA and USSR exploded their citybuster,the exploding of first citybuster of China still convulsed USA,USSR and international society greatly.From our point of view,China exploded citybuster with lower technology than USA and USSR,but still caused USA and USSR consider cooperating with each other to give Chinese nuclear base a surgical strike on one occasion,the reason is: from 'strategic angle of view" of two spuerpowers,there is essential difference of having citybuster between China who has a large territory,and UK and France who has a small territory.

["this kind of capital" is the precondition that Beijing can fully use his limited power of nuclear deterrent during cold war]

In other words,this "essential difference" is that China has the same capital to carry out a nuclear war as USA and USSR,and "this kind of capital" is why Mao Ze Dong dare to explode two atomic bombs ahead of schedule and show stance of "test during imminence of war" only with several atomic bombs in hand when USSR gave out his nuclear threat to China depend on his overpowering nuclear striking power and threaten that they are ready to press the nuclear button,then awed USSR successfully.

In addition,"this kind of capital" is also a precondition of China to make full use of his strategic nuclear deterrent with his wide territory and large numbers of population to change the world political situation.

[what the meaning of "atomic bomb,missile and satellite" to China,is belike a issue that need no controversy already]

From our viewpoint,although "atomic bomb,missile and satellite" develped in age of Mao Ze Dong were much laggard than USA and USSR both on technology and time,but fact of tens of years proved that the meaning of "has them or not" to security of China.,is belike a issue that need no controversy already.

In fact,as well as on base of these,the big deltoid strategic relationship between China,USA and USSR can dominate the world political situation for tens of years,and China can be one of the most influential countries about world situation like USA and USSR for the first time since one hundred yeas ago.

[conventional stratagem of nuclear deterrent is impacted by "new element" along with the high-speed advancement of technology]

But time's going on,from our viewpoint,conventional stratagem of nuclear deterrent,which successfully kept could peace in last tens of years,is impacted by "new element" along with the high-speed advancement of technology.

We know there's big act of Bush on security stratagem in his second term,in our eyes,this "big act" namely start up the SDI which was vary hard to carry out because of the limit of technology.

By our observe,the idea of restarting SDI absolutely is not just by a whim.The truth is,USA never give up his plans of NMD and TMD recent years.

From our viewpoint,the new SDI is the "new age version" of Reagan's SDI on one hand,it's the "inevitable extend" of NMD and TMD on the other hand,that is:abrogate adversary's ability of nuclear retaliation as the same time as insure the nuclear deterren of USA,and then realize the "absolute security" and "absolute supremacy" that USA hankers.

[without "technical realizing" of SDI,the NMD will be a rib of chicken(means a thing that no good enough,but still regrettable to throw away) ]

[the "fastest way" to "absolute supremacy" of USA]

In fact,soever Reagan facing the nuclear arsenal of USSR which can destroy USA "N" times or Bush facing the nuclear arsenal of Russia which can destroy USA "M" times or facing the ability of nuclear retaliation of China which can destroy hundreds of USA's cities,to get the "absolute security",it will be the fastest way if USA can accomplish the SDI system and then abrogate ability of nuclear retaliation of China,Russia even Europe.If this is realizable,to Washington.who thirst for dominate all the earth,soever which party in the white house,they will be desirous to carry out SDI plan.

So,from our viewpoint,the reason why Washington stop this plan before,the key reason is the difficulty of technology.

From our observe,it was in the Afghanistan war at 2001 and Irag war later,the USA army successfully used his GPS and other outer space military technologies,changed the war which was suppose to be very bloody to a "game of war".This stimulated Washington's "desire of dominate outer space alone" farther.

[Washington's "desire of dominate outer space alone" root in two elements]
From out point of view,Washington's "desire of dominate outer space alone" root in two elements,one if that USA army depend on outer space system deeply,the other one is that Russia,China and Europe who have high level outer space technologies can do a lot of damage to USA's outer space systems.

Thus,USA army,who benefit a lot from "dominate the outer space" during Afghanistan and Irag war,start to make request to the Pentagon for "absolute predominance of technologies".We noticed that USA army specially emphasize the importance of "technical predominance" in to areas:"monopolization of infomation collections" and "location of enemy's target".

[Washington made certain that "controling outer space certainly will be the key of a new round of arms race]]

From our point of view,USA army's new request which was derived from the require of actual combat lead the Pentagon to such a conclusion:the USA army's predominance of military technology won"t have any problem when treat with little counties like Afghanistan and Irag which can"t impact USA army's outer space system in the least.But when facing adversaries like Russia,China even EU,it's far from enough if only depend on 'several operational satellites flying along near-earth orbit".The reason is very simple:these adversaries not only have their own abilities of outer space information collection and location,but also have the ability of abecedarian outer space battle to destroy that 'several operational satellites flying along near-earth orbit,specially Russia and China.

So,Washington made certain that "controling outer space certainly will be the key of a new round of arms race.


[players who really have competence to attend outer space arms race]

However,just like France and UK all have nuclear force but not able to carry out a nuclear war becase of their "territory" and "population",accordingly USA and USSR never be fear of them,in the field of developing spaceflight technologies,"territory" and "population" are tarnal important elements like technology level and economic capacity.

From our viewpoint,there are only three countries are provided with the "foure elements" above synchronously:USA,China and Russia,who has his "delegate" in the outer space today.Of course,if EU can accomplish their integration of politics,they will be the fourth.

So,in USA's eyes,players of outer space arms race are "USA,EU,China and Russia" doubtless.

[USA's second SDI plan even has a very arbitrary name-"veto"]

According to the describe by USA army,once plan SDI II bring into effect,USA will be the only country that has the ability of military control in outer space.What we should be watchful of is that the Pentagon name this new outer space plan a very arbitrary name "veto" to incarnate the core objective of SDI II.That means once any other country's(include allys) crosscurrent will be vetoed.

[After accomplishing the new SDI,USA will closure the usufruct of near-earth outer space of all other countries]

If the arbitrary "veto" still can"t incarnate USA's ambition of dominate outer space alone,then a file of USA army we got clearly "described" USA's ultimate objective,that is:first,USA will closure the usufruct of near-earth outer space of all other countries after accomplishing the new SDI plan,secondly,"any other countries or orgnizations"(include USA's allys and international orgnizations) will not be able to use outer space resources on developing military information collection or other military intent without USA's permission.

In addition,please notice that near-earth outer space that Washington plan to close is not only outer space hundreds km away from earth where spaceflights and satellites fly in,but include all the outer space from earth to moon.

[the blue print of the Pentagon to "effectively close" "near-earth outer space"]

In order to effectively close "near-earth outer space",'strategy of veto" of the "veto" plan is to found a armada of spaceship,it's primary mission is "take charge of watching and controling all satellites in range of near-earth outer space",and "once find that antagonistic countries or competitive countries" launching satellite,spaceflght or other astroplane which USA think it's "inimical",we notice that the treatment written in the file is very simple:if Washington think it's necessary,destroy it without warning.

No so hard to find that although Washington hasn"t named the organizational system of 'space army" formally,they are busy founding this 'space army" now.

We can imagine that,once Washington's dream of monopolizing outer space comes true,and then successfully found "NMD" system,not only Chinese,but also Russia huge nuclear arsenal will be transparent to USA and lost his credible ability of nuclear retaliation because of bankrupt in outer space infomation collection.

[Washington's ambition of "besiege earth from outer space" broke allys hearts consumedly]

Apparently,USA's ambition of "monopolizing outer space first","dominating earth next",namely "besiege earth from outer space" really broke allys hearts.About this,we noticed that there are many discordance between USA and Canada.Of course there are many reasons,but on aspect of outer space,Washington don"t look Canada as his ally apparently,in fact,America,who has a "agreement of confederative outer space defence" with Canada,already begin to close the door to Canada,especially in some sensitive areas.

And we noticed too,it's under this situation that EU decided to develop "Galileo" which will stand up to GPS as an equal together with China in spite of USA's menace of destroying it.

[Russia and Chia started their own precess of founding 'space army" too]

To break Washington's "plan of monopolizing",protect their "usufruct of outer space",even to inhibit adversary's military plan of outer space,Russian and China started their own precess of founding 'space army" too.thereinto,Russia has founded his 'space army" formally base on their mature manned spaceflight technologies and related measure,command system.

From our viewpoint,Chinese manned spaceflight plan which has entered the second phase,up to the running plan of moon exploring,both are core project of Beijing to found it's own space army.

Of course,Washington is critical of this.In fact,Rumsfeld had put forward a report about this,determine that "China is designing outer space war against USA,and will be huge menace to USA's outer space system when conflict break out in Taiwan Strait".

We notice that the flinty hawk wrote in his report:China may attack USA's "asset of outer space" anticipatively before conflict break out in Taiwan Strait,then prevent USA's military intervening by destroy the outer space "command system" which USA army depend on deeply.

[to realize his globla hegemony,Washington won"t give up his "veto" plan which is intend to monopolize outer space on his own initiative]

We also noticed that, contraposing the Chinese manned spaceflight plan,for the reason that USA army relies on space ability most in the world, Washionton worries that "if the relationship between China and USA becomes worse, Chinese will attack him in outer space and will maybe destroy the American outer space ability", but on the other hand, Washionton is refusing to carry through the material negotiation with Beijing about "using the outer space" all the time.

From our viewpoints, the reason why the Americans are so self-contradictory, is just because they decide to actualize their strategical intention to monopolise the outer space. As American think, "any agreement of USAing the outer space peacefully" that is possible to be passed will limit their Missile Defence sysem based on outer space which is decided to start at 2008, and will also be in the way of the "veto" plan to actualize their hegemony.

Apparently, to actualize his globle hegemony, Washionton will not forwardly giveup his "veto" plan, just as same as he will not forwardly giveup his Middle East stratagem which is intend to monopolise the oil of Middle Easten. So the powers whose rights of outer space using is prepared to be closure by USA (including China, Russia and EU.) have no choice but defend their own rights of outer space using strength, so they have no choice but insure the validity of their own strategic nuclear striking power and interspace of strategic development .

[after the launch of Divine Vessel Six succeeded, the prime minister Wen Jiabao made a solemn annoucement right away.]

After the launch of Divine Vessel succeeded, Wen Jiabao made the solemn annoucement right away confidently, broadcast to all the world with a "high volume" that the Chinese spaceflight technique are only aim at "making totally use of outer space pacifically". From our point of view,it is only a diplomatese,not only the listener won't believe it,the speaker won't believe it too.We think this inconvictive but confident 'solemn annoucement" contains two basic policies in it:

First, ifpossible (that means the Americans will not carry through the outer space militarization in public firstly, such as no NMD plan, no SDI plan), then Beijing will continue to prepare his 'space Army" plan under the name of "making use of outer space pacifically".

Second, after Chinese manned Spaceflight technology carried out the great breakthrough in "practicablize", namely "multicosmonaut and multidays" and ""manned outer space experimentations", Beijing is willing and prepare to carry through any forms of negotiation or cooperation with anyone about "making use of outer space pacifically" and "avoiding arms race appeared in outer space".

[Only with enough strength,others will think you have the competency to speak,and will listen seriously]

Anyway, from our viewpoint, Beijing's words like "Chinese spaceflight project is totally used in the peace intent",only with enough strength you are having the qualification to make this announcement and then others will listen seriously.Of cause, as our military analyst think, Beijing doesn"t think Washionton will be really interested in proposes such as "multicosmonaut and multidays" and "manned outer space experimentations". But countries and political/economic entities such as Russion and EU may show their strong interest in cooperating with China under the name of peace and oppose the "veto" plan of USA which is intend to monopolize the usufruct of outer space together.

In fact, that kind of symptom was showed when the Divine Vessel Five succeeded: although be exerted heavy pressure from USA,EU still not only officially invited China to take apart of "Galileo" project, but also carry the cooperation very ardently. Till now, the Divine Vessel Six is launched successfully, our analysts have enough reasons to believe that the strength in outer space of China showed through Divine Vessel Six will consequentially come into prominence and attract Russia and EU to accelerate the expanding of this '"symptom" together.

The only part of the NASA budget that does any real science is a diminishing less than 10% on unmanned space vehicles. How many know of Cassin, Pioneer, Huygens, Solar Max, Voyager (that is now asking some questions about quantum physics), the European series of Earth science birds, Ulysses, SOHO, NEAR, Rossi X-ray Timing Explorer, CGRO, and Infrared Space Observatory. Everyone has done more science than ISS - for but pennies compared to the $tens of billions that ISS will cost. And these are just a few of hundreds that do real science. Notice that the most successful space project in world history is Hubble: unmanned. Even the Mars Rovers had trouble getting a few $million to keep working this year. Knowledge about real science is that unknown even where money is approved. You do know of all of the above spacecraft? They why would you know if manned missions are important? The spectacular and most successful space missions (using science as the critieria) have all been unmanned.

China is simply doing manned space flights for same reasons that America went to the moon. Political prestige. Notice in all those moon landings, we only sent one scientist. A geologist eventually was sent to finally do some geological rock selections.

So what will the next generation American space craft be? We are simply going backwards to space capsules again - because we wasted so much time and money on an 'Air Force' space plane. Who are the world leaders in space launching? The French followed by the Russians - both of whom concentrated on the purpose of space flight rather than in political prestige.

Since we were wasting money, then why not do even more for political reasons only - the International Space Station - that does virtually no science. Even earth monitoring science is all done by unmanned space craft - not by manned spaceflight.

Such facts are not politically correct. And so we invent myths about the products of manned spaceflight - such as the transistor, the microcomputer, and Tang.

Do you have even basic knowledge of the space business AND of the political implications of what is and is not being proposed? Of course you know of the $billions being spent on an anti-ballistic missile program that does not work (according to America's own top experts), that has again been changed because they could not pour concrete on the island in Alaska, and for a threat that does not exist (Osama bin Laden or some other terrorist might get intercontinental missiles). And of course you know all about this political hot potato called Galileo - why it is being created and what it will do.

Xker posted some interesting questions. What he does not understand: most Americans have no idea what he was even talking about let alone heard of any of those projects. Many Americans only hear Star Wars hype - and assume it must be good. Many Americans are so easily deceived as to even think the Moon Missions resulted in new American products.

Start with Galileo. Who here even knows what Galileo is and why it is being created?

The article about "Galileo" was abridged.The last sentence of it is:
Analyse above is mostly from militery and political angles of view.From our viewpoint,there are huge commercial value behind "Galileo" and analyse from this angle of view will be put in the "investment reference" next week,please advert to read it.
I only subscibed the abridged version of their reference of 180 RMB one year because the full version will cost me 100,000 RMB a year.

Article of 10/12/2005 talked something about manned and economy:
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We noticed that,"two important conclusions" were made by "Kanwa Defense Review(KDR)" of Canada about the flying orbit of Divine Vessel Six.First,"It has the abilities of take pictures of certain targets in most area of the world "real time" and "repeatedly".Secondly,the rediffusion of this launching shows that China has totally mastered the technology of "transmit digital satellite pictures fleetly" which is propitious to send pictures taken by satellite to earth and analyze them fleetly.

From our viewpoint,these several technologies that KDR summarized of DVS certainly have their military significance,but not only there aren't the the pick of the basket,but also have been widely used in "Resource-series" satellites which contain military uses.

We thought the "prime" of Divine Vessel Six in military aspect,is life suport system of "multi-cosmonauts" and "multi-days" we referd yesterday.This is the important symbol of that China has the ability of "manned outer space scientific experiments".

So when looking at the "two conclusions" of KDR,we can see that those technologies of reconnaissance which were overrated to be the "beginning of the age of strategically reconnoitring US and Japan" are actually just rudimental technologies of a country which got the ability of outer space military deploying and experiments through carrying out manned spaceflight.They are even not worth to talk about.

Refer to the information we have,"Resource II" satellite of Chian is actually a very advanced recce satellite which can do "live broadcast",that means there's no need of conventional film sensitization in it's transmiting remote sensor,but use high tech vidicon to take "freezed TV image" one by one and straightly send back to earth after encrypting.

Apparently,by this enemy's information can be got more rapidly in military use.In addition the synthetic aperture radar in Chinese recce satellites is very advanced too.From our point of view,this kind of technology which was paraded as the core recce technology that help US army won the gulf war,are used peacefully in China now,and we can see it's economic benefit in water conservancy of Du Jiang Yan and prevention and cure of northwest desert,etc.

In fact,the orbital module will stay in the outer space for 6 to 8 months.Apparently the orbital module with these recce technologies will keep on acting as a recce satellite.

If we look at the flying line of Divine Vessel Six a little more carefully,we find that the line was planned aboratively,it can take pictures of Tai Wan,and of japan,especially USA.

What could be affirmed is,this settle means that the members of the pre-military union of "USA,Japan and Tai Wan" will be exposed under the camera recce system on orbital module of Divine Vessel Six which was described as "resolution of 0.5 foot" by the leader of national security bureau of Tai Wan for about half a year,this will be the reinforce of "Resource-series" satellites.

From our viewpoint,because of the "multi_cosmonauts" and "multi-days",Launching of Divine Vessel Six is much more difficult and danger then Divine Vessel Five,which was "go and back soon" and "one cosmonaut one day".We considered that,if Divine Vessel Six finished it's travel successfully,China will be at a totally new startup of outer space technology.

What is worth to is,although there are only two men in Divine Vessel Six,they will stay in the outer space for 5 days and carry on a lot of "manned scientifical experiments" and "manual works",this confirmed without doubt that "China has solved the problem of life supporting for cosmonauts to stay in outerspace chronically".

We noticed that according to the survey of media,the mostly cared issue by hoi polloi is about "eating,drinking,urinating and relieving nature".These things and sleeping,adjusting of mentality are trivial but point out the most important breakthrough of technology,recapitulate all the necessary condition of living in outer space chronically.Apparently,the launching means that China has got the pivotal technical guarantee of living in outer space chronically and carry on manual works.

USA,who has the most advanced outer space technology knows well about the significance of this "pivotal technical guarantee",i.e. the essential different between "manned and unmanned" and "one cosmonaut and multi-cosmonauts",and how greatly it will affect the development of a country's spaceflight technologies and related militeray technologies.

We noticed that,an expert of American navy war college did a impersonal describe about these huge "differents":If you sent two cosmonauts to outer space,you will have the capital to do more complex and diversiform works and experiments,but it's much more difficult to send two cosmonauts than one.

At the same time,this expert emphasized that "these actions are necessary to China for his future",because "the final objective of China should be building space station on his own,so they must learn how to live in outer space longer".
　　
Certainly the reasons of "necessary" said by this expert locate at the area of spaceflight.But from our point of view,the words "these actions are necessary to China for his future" is not only applicable in the area of Chinese spaceflight but also in other wide area.

From our point of view,spaceflight is a huge system which has wide relationship,great effect of boosting and complex technologies.It has close relationship with many industries of a country,such as electronic message,new materials,technology of controling,exact manufacture,biochemistry,etc.

From the samples of USSR who realized manned spaceflight technology first and USA, who's second,spaceflight is absolutely a important leading industry which can lead the development of technologies and economy a country.From our viewpoint,it is unmeasurable that how the developing of manned spaceflight will impulse the develpment of technologies and economy of a country.

In fact,waht Apollo project's largest contribution to USA is not anything else but bring up high-level scientists for a generation and the ability to managing and Coordinating large project,and scientific research results of these scientists not only carried out the project straightly but also impulse the holistic technologies of USA.

We thought that,why USA is completely one-up on computer,communication,measurement & control,rocket,materials and many other high-new technologies, is greatly related with the base of "person" and "technology" which was founed during the developing of Apollo project.

Here's a very typical sample:video tape recorder was developed for Apollo project by American to record the course of landing moon.Afterward American diffused this technology into civil area and form a merchandise with rich gain,and impulsed the entertainment industry of USA farther.Moreover,many of those material and electrical technologies of USA one-up were technologies tbat resold to earth after "only for moon landing".

Apparently,the "huge input" in spaceflight technologies of USA not only gained the great improvement of holistic technologies,but also gain a "huge output" of economy.This show very important refering significance to China who's facing the adjustment of economic structure and emphasizing the stratagem of "developing by technology innovating".

What we want to emphasize here is,after launching,the strongest impression we have of those people who are in charge of design, manufacture, lauching management and other parts of Divine Vessel Six project in front of TV is:youthful! We can see from this, only on "bring up high-level scientists for a generation", there already has a great harvest brought by Divine Vessel Six project.

A data offered by China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation with important significance yesterday indicated that 80% of more than 1000 new materials of China recent years were developed under the traction of outerspace technologies.

Why the data has important significance is not because of the number in it,but the "consciousness" of "offer this data report".From our viewpoint,the action "offer" shows that China has taken fully notice of the "sameness and different" of the two super power's destiny in cold war.

From our point of view,the manned spaceflight plan took country stratagem of China a very advantaged place.Intensify national security one side like we said yesterday,and an other side it is apparently that Beijing want to find a "new way" to intensify the ability of high-new technology innovating then bring along the upgrade of Chinese economy through this project and following projects.

So from our point of view,this "data" shows that although China if following the way which was not changed from USSR to Russia on the details of carrying out manned spaceflight,China is referring to the mode of success of USA on how to impulse the national technology,bring up scientists widely and impluse the national economy in both "quality and quantity".

Impersonally the reserve in the mass of spaceflight and military technologies are all square,but USA did greatly successful job on turn high military technologies to civil which was a big failure of USSR.We think it the very important inner reason cause the different destiny of the two superpower.

So,China has "high-new technologies on top level",and decision-makers of China have already fully noticed the "success and failure" of USA and USSR on "turning from outer space to earth" and "truning from military to civil".They are consciously doing the job of "graft" of economy.

Withal,we think it is not enough just "fully notice" the importance of this "graft",the linchpin is how to found a mechanism of turning spaceflight and military technologies to civil.This shoul be the "import job of important jobs" of Chinese government.

From our viewpoint,Washington is proficient of such jobs and know well about what it means to China.

It's is so prominent that outer space technologies impulse the technologies and ecnomy of a country with alive market economy.This is the grounding why Washington bring out his argumentation of "menace of Chinese outer space military" "in time" too.

We have analyzed the restarting of SDI of Bush yesterday.From our point of view,the numbers of "worry" and "warning" of Americans is nothing but anxious for if they could realize their strategic objective of monopolizing outer space through SDI II or "veto" plan.

From our observing,for this moment,either the army or civil experts of USA,the menace they could describ clearly is focus on "Chia developing anti-satellites weapons".

From are two reason of this:first,just like Mr. Phillip Saunders said above,"US army is rely on these satellites deeply".

The second,and is the most important,as file from the Pentagon said,actually China has "developed out abecedarianly" the ability of attack and disturb satellites on low orbits the same as USA and USSR.

As we know,these three countries put breakthrough point on "laser weapon" and "high-energy particle weapon" happen to coincide.Many evidences show that Chinese technology of laser weapon is more advanced,all satellites flying on low orbit,either military or civil,are in the range of this weapon.

According to the Pentagon's plan,USA will deploy laser weapons or high-energy particle weapon in outer space to hold up and destroy satellites.This is the core of SDI.From our viewpoint,the plan which was seem to be impossible before has came to possible along with the developing of military spaceflight technologies.

Apparently,the developing of doday's technologies,especially electron,material and computer,make it pressing about the attacking and defensing based on outer space.

We noticed that,Americans have very detailed plan of building their outer space battle mode,that is:move their battle mode to outer space,buliding "spacecraft carrier" battle group in outer space,and one "manned space station" is equal to one "spacecraft carrier",orbit mobile anti-satellites spacecrafts can launch an attack at any moment and destrpy enemy's satellites quickly and exactly.

In addition,Americans are developing a kind of land-attack weapon based on outer space,named "hit top weapon".From the name we can know this kind of weapon will be used to attack target in sea,lan and air from outer space beyond visual range.This is the same attacking mode as cruise missiles carried by "aircraft carrier battle group".

Not hard to see that,once the development of laser weapons or high-energy particle weapon based on outer space success,the difference between technologies of "manned" and "unmanned" will emerge obviously and immediately.We noticed that in Washington's design,"manned" "spacecraft carrier" can not only destory enemy's satellites and spaceship,but also destroy enemy's intercontinental ballistic missile on their way,even in their boost phase."Manned" will be much more efficient than "unmanned" when doing such battle missions.

From our viewpoint,the reason why USA,Russia and China regard manned spaceflight technologies so highly is that all of them regard outer space as a possible battlefield in future,and think it a "absolute tipping point" to insure their own strategic living space.

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So you're saying you're doing that way because we did it that way and you didn't learn from our mistakes so you're wasting your money too. Cool. :)

Well, they've figured out how to do it.....ask the Russians. :D