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Cloud 06-17-2010 10:37 AM

Grammar question
 
Heya, I'd like your opinion on this:

I'm reviewing a brief right now, and there are several sentences with this construction:

"The only evidence were the affidavits."

Now, to me, that's incorrect agreement between the subject and verb. If "evidence" is the subject, then it should read, "The only evidence was the affidavits."

But that sounds wrong. Maybe "evidence" is a collective noun? Maybe the verb "to be" is reflexive and is messing me up.

If you reverse it, to say "The affidavits were the only evidence" that sounds better, and I could reword it. But I was always taught that the sentence construction should be the same either way (subject first, or object first, you still have to have agreement.)

jinx 06-17-2010 10:40 AM

Looks ok to me as is. Evidence is plural here so you need to use were not was.

Cloud 06-17-2010 10:42 AM

you think "evidence' is plural?

jinx 06-17-2010 10:44 AM

Yes.... I think so. You can't say evidences. If there was only one affidavit it would be singular.

monster 06-17-2010 10:44 AM

Imma say was. Gut reaction/reasons stated. But maybe it's different in American grammar and/or legalese.

jinx 06-17-2010 10:45 AM

The only deer I shot was Bambi.
The only deer I shot were Bambi and his mom.

monster 06-17-2010 10:45 AM

No, evidence does not get pluralized in that way -Looked it up in my big old oxford. Evidence means one or more pieces of whatever. (paraphrasing here)

DanaC 06-17-2010 10:46 AM

I believe 'evidence' is both the singular and the plural:
as in 'some evidence' and 'a piece of evidence'

monster 06-17-2010 10:51 AM

but you would say some evidence was provided, not some evidence were provided.

I guess it is sort of acting like a collective noun...

BigV 06-17-2010 10:51 AM

"Evidence" is plural. It belongs to a special class of words called plurale tantum, nouns that have only a plural form.

Therefore, the construction in your example is correct.

monster 06-17-2010 10:53 AM

But I know from my copy editor friend that Brits and Americans use those diffently -one of us says "the team was" and the other says "the team were" and I'm way too embedded here to know which is which, or even if it's relevant here, so I think i'd better duck out now

jinx 06-17-2010 10:54 AM

But you wouldn't say "The affidavits was the only evidence" because the verb and the subject don't match up - which is closer to what's being said here.

Cloud 06-17-2010 10:57 AM

well, I'm glad I'm not the only one confused.

Undertoad 06-17-2010 10:57 AM

It's like the words "assortment" and "collection" and "bunch" and "group" etc which are singular even though they refer to many things.

monster 06-17-2010 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV (Post 663852)
"Evidence" is plural. It belongs to a special class of words called plurale tantum, nouns that have only a plural form.

Therefore, the construction in your example is correct.

Is there evidence that "Evidence" is a plurale tantum? it's not given as on in the Oxford, whereas the other examples mentioned in the Wiki article are.


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