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tw 09-09-2019 07:04 PM

Deja Vue. Another defeat.
 
In early days of Nixon, Kissinger (then National Security Adviser) and Nixon are recorded; both admit American had been defeated in Vietnam. But Nixon did not want to be the first American president to lose a war. His reputation was more important than the many 10,000 American servicemen who would be sacrificed.

Desperate to surrender without it looking like a surrender, America started secret peace talks with N Vietnam. Without any representatives from the S Vietnam government. It resulted in Paris talks where S Vietnam was excluded.

Eventually America promised to leaven Vietnam only on empty promises from the North. And, of course, the S Vietnam government was left to whither on the vine.

We know why America was defeated. America violated fundamental after fundamental military concept as even defined by Sun Tzu.

As soon as America surrendered and left, then N Vietnam overran the south two years faster than they expected.

Desperate to surrender without it looking like a surrender, America started secret peace talks with the Taliban. Without any representatives from the Afghan government. The Don is trying to surrender in a way that will not look like a defeat. Because America has been defeated in Afghanistan. Because America violated fundamental military concepts as even defined by Sun Tzu over 2500 years ago.

Those reasons why are clearly defined when and because George Jr abandoned Afghanistan to waste 5000 American lives in Iraq - for no purpose.

Let's see. The entire economy of India was then worth about $2 trillion. The economy of China was worth $11 trillion. We wasted $3 trillion in Iraq. And about $2 trillion in Afghanistan. How do great empires self destruct? Their leaders first want to solve everything with big dics - a big military. And then are too smart to listen to a genius from 2500 years ago.

And so The Don now wants to surrender to the Taliban. Because George Jr screwed it up. The Taliban made some inroads and then were driven back during Obama's term. In the past three years, the Taliban now control 80% of Afghanistan.

What concession must the Taliban make? They promise to not give Al Qaeda a protected home in Afghanistan. Promise without any reason to not recant.

The Don canceled those talks at the last minute as if someone suddenly realized how wrong it would be to start the surrender on the week of 11 September. Using one of many American deaths to justify it.

Don't fool yourself. The Don is trying to surrender Afghanistan to the Taliban just like Nixon did to S Vietnam. So that his ego can claim another victory - at the expense of Afghanistan.

xoxoxoBruce 09-09-2019 11:22 PM

That three trillion wasn't all wasted, much of it made the people Ike warned us about very rich.

Urbane Guerrilla 09-24-2019 09:49 PM

TW himself, of course, cannot be said to have attempted to defeat any tyranny, any less-than-capitalist social order, on any day, back then or even now.

Oh, no. Begs to be excused.

tw 09-25-2019 09:22 AM

Can somebody translate that?

Gravdigr 09-26-2019 09:02 AM

If you can understand post #1, Shirley you can understand post #3.

I think he called you a Trump-lover.

henry quirk 09-26-2019 10:14 AM

Can somebody translate that?
 
Yep: he sez you're a pussy who's never had a fight and wouldn't know what to do if you did.

He sez if there was a way out of a fight, you'd take it, up to and including orally servicing the enemy.

You're welcome.

Urbane Guerrilla 10-03-2019 11:08 PM

All that may be, Henry Q, but more directly, it's that TW's anticommunist credentials are insignificant next to mine.

I raised my right hand and took the oath to support and defend the Constitution, donning my country's uniform, with the direct intent of destroying communism. Continued, in one capacity or another, for ten mortal years. That was my job.

Go ahead -- try and imagine tw retaining a functionality in a military environment. They'd've washed the cripple out in boot camp's second week. The official view would be "Failure To Adapt."

tw 10-04-2019 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 1039456)
Go ahead -- try and imagine tw retaining a functionality in a military environment.

This is the guy who could not get beyond the first chapter of a book on military strategy. He did not even know what phase four planning is. But he is an expert (just like The Don) because he can post insults.

Facts well proven through history. Another characteristic of a wacko extremists. Plenty of cheapshots. No knowledge. He even worships The Don.

henry quirk 10-04-2019 09:35 AM

TW's anticommunist credentials
 
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

henry quirk 10-04-2019 09:38 AM

try and imagine tw retaining a functionality in a military environment
 
I can only imagine him as he is: protected, incapable, autistic (an old male {not 'man', just 'male'] version of lil Greta).

henry quirk 10-04-2019 09:39 AM

Facts well proven through history.
 
Indeed. When you gonna post some?

tw 10-05-2019 09:46 AM

When was the last time he actually contributed something that was not his emotions? Others had been banned from the Cellar for doing so much less.

Undertoad 10-05-2019 09:53 AM

No they had not.

henry quirk 10-05-2019 10:31 AM

"When was the last time tw actually contributed something that was not his emotions?"

Damned good question.

#

"Others had been banned from the Cellar for doing so much less."

UT won't dump tw: he's a caution (and a card)

slang 10-06-2019 11:05 AM

The solution seems obvious to me.

We need to send the DOD all the bean counters from GM. The benefit would be better cars and trucks that could be used in combat operations on a much greater scale at a much lower price.

You can learn more about this and many other ideas at my fake link:

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xoxoxoBruce 10-06-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 1039521)

UT won't dump tw: he's a caution (and a card)

UT doesn't dump anyone but spammers and people who request it.

tw 10-06-2019 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1039559)
UT doesn't dump anyone but spammers and people who request it.

So constantly posting lies and personal attacks (that gives the Cellar a distasteful reputation) is acceptable behavior? In earlier decades, such constant behavior was never seen.

sexobon 10-06-2019 03:12 PM

It helps keep out the uppity intelligentsia, purveyors of theoretical learning who haven't been well grounded in reality lately, and propagandists. Obviously, it isn't 100% effective.

xoxoxoBruce 10-06-2019 09:14 PM

Yeah, those uppity intelligentsia talk like Ludwig van Beethoven is a buddy when they've never even seen his paintings. :yesnod:

tw 10-09-2019 09:10 PM

Not only has The Don praised dictators. He is trying to surrender to the Taliban. And now threw another strong American ally, the Kurds, to the wolves.

Assad got more chemical weapons and used them. So the scumbag president spend $10s of millions on cruise missiles to take out some obsolete airplanes. And left (what was rumored to be tens of metric tones of chemical weapons) intact. Extremists praised him. It fed the only thing relevant to him - his ego.

Meanwhile, Kim is now testing missiles to attack all major Japanese and S Korean cities. The Don said it is good - even through the entire world said otherwise. Of course. That is their problem, says The Don. He has no towers there to protect.

So he threw both Japan and S Korea under the bus.

Today, even Israel strongly condemned what the shit head did to the Kurds. For reasons clearly stated by Israelis. If he does this to strong American allies while praising dictators, then what will happen even to Israel?

Dictators know how to get what they want from him. Fed his ego. Quid Pro Quo also works. No wonder The Don does not have one single accomplishment - other than starting a recession.

What turned a great recession into a great depression? Hoover did massive harm to economic activity by imposing more tariffs. 40% of Americans are told all that is good. So they love him. And praise him. use (abuse) the Presidency for more ego boosting.

tw 10-10-2019 08:21 AM

The Turks have started attacking the Kurds today. Some 180 aircraft attacks have hit Kurd cities and positions. A massive refugee movement is now ongoing in Kurd cities.

This is all good according to a wacko extremist president (who was once a liberal until he discovered right wingers are more easily manipulated). Right wingers approve of this massacre intentionally created by The Don. For the same reason why he loves to undermine so many American allies in the Eastern Pacific. Even mocks and disparages our NATO allies.

The scumbag Don said we will destroy the Turk economy if they do not do what he wants. So the Turks have started attacking the Kurds. Apparently that is what he wanted.

A philandering president loves to wreck shit. Since that makes him popular even among the KKK, White Supremacists, and Nazis. He was encouraged by a dictator to enable this massacre. Then his knee jerk thought process decided it was good. No problem. It does not hurt his properties or his ego. So it must be good.

Kim, Xi, and Putin also know how to play this idiot that only a fool would have voted for.

Same president tried to sell out Ukraine to his good friend Putin. He could not find anyone who would properly represent American interests in Ukraine. Nobody will work in Ukraine to promote his wealth and ego. So no ambassador has existed for 6 months. She was fired because Giuliani complained she refused to to do things illegal - to promote The Don's interests at the expense of America and Ukraine.

If his penis is inside some other woman, does that mean it cannot think for him? Then he will not screw America?

sexobon 10-10-2019 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 1039754)
The Turks have started attacking the Kurds today. Some 180 aircraft attacks have hit Kurd cities and positions. A massive refugee movement is now ongoing in Kurd cities.

This is all good according to a wacko extremist president (who was once a liberal until he discovered right wingers are more easily manipulated). Right wingers approve of this massacre intentionally created by The Don. For the same reason why he loves to undermine so many American allies in the Eastern Pacific. Even mocks and disparages our NATO allies.

The scumbag Don said we will destroy the Turk economy if they do not do what he wants. So the Turks have started attacking the Kurds. Apparently that is what he wanted.

The Don is just doing what you said you wanted. You wanted to leave it up to them:

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 910906)
… Middle East is first and foremost a problem that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Israel, and the Gulf States should be addressing. They - not the US - should have defined what is necessary and implement resulting plans. Otherwise we have another reduction in US living standards because extremists again want America to be the world's policemen. ...

Now the Don says - Make it so.

henry quirk 10-10-2019 08:05 PM

tw = hypocrite
 
yep

Urbane Guerrilla 10-14-2019 05:43 PM

The most knowledgeable analysis I've seen of it has it that the Kurds are no sort of monolith, but there are approximately four major factions, with about three of the Kurdish factions at odds with a fourth. This fourth faction, with which the US is not in a friendly relationship owing to them being a pack of Communists, is the faction the Turks say they are assaulting, and that they're terrorists.

Meanwhile, the US is friendlier with the other three Kurdish factions; we're more supportive of Iraqi Kurds, then other Kurds, in Syria, in a descending order.

But of course, tw's prejudiced existence prevents such knowledge from ever illuminating his dark recesses. 3-plus percent economic growth for quarter after quarter after quarter and the lowest unemployment rates in sixty solid years across each and every known demographic, and positions now so abundant that employers are struggling to fill them -- there are help-wanted signs up all over my town -- all this in two years, that's utterly foolish, hm?

tw 10-15-2019 08:57 AM

As usual, extremists post insults. And now lie about what tw has said. But that is what Nazis also did to gain power and commit genocide.

The scumbag (that Nazis, KKK, and White Supremacists love) decided to withdrawal 150 American troops so that Turkey can occupy northern Syria. Leaders know how to manipulate The Don. They praise his ego. Then Erdoğan told The Donald that he would repopulate N Syria with Syrian refugees in his country. So Americans can leave.

Without consulting even one informed American, The Don then created another massive American defeat.

Obvious was Erdoğan's strategy. He regards all Kurds as terrorists - evil like Daesh. As soon as a few hundreds Americans left, he attacked the Kurds everywhere. Cutting off Kurd main supply highways across Kurd protected regions in Syria.

He then 'accidentally' fired artillery shells about 100 meters from a known American base. So that 1000 more American soldiers (working with the Kurds) would leave immediately. Would abandon their Kurdish allies.

The Don is so dumb to even give Putin but another victory. Russian reputation for being a trusted ally in the Middle East has massively increased in the past three years. The Kurds need protection. The Kurds (like all other close American allies) now know Americans are scumbags who promise protection and then run away. Our wacko extremists here love that behavior. That is the new American reputation - approved by the Cellar wackos.

Kurds went to people who would keep their promises - the Russians. Syrian troops are now moving in on the Kurds. Only protection left for the Kurds - once a closest American ally - were clearly stabbed in the back by an American egotist and his wacko extremists supporters in the Cellar. (People who insult to avoid admitting to a another massive American defeat.) Trump has created another massive American defeat (similar to what Cheney, et al did in Afghanistan and in the Mission Accomplished war).

Wacko extremists in The Cellar praise The Don for also releasing some 11,000 ISIS soldiers and allies. Daesh terrorist attacks are ongoing. Extremist here say that is also good.

Of the so many interests active in Syria, only American allies are the losers. As Americans pull out, Russians and their allies move in to fill another American created vacuum. The Don (and his wacko extremist supporters in The Cellar) apparently love it when America is defeated. And then, like good right wing extremists, spin it into a victory. They are so extremists as to believe this massive American defeat is good. It is so easy to brainwash extremists.

henry quirk 10-15-2019 09:26 AM

yer right, tw
 
"How dare he actually deliver on his promise not to have anymore of our precious warriors shipped home in boxes after getting killed on battlefields we can’t even pronounce, while refereeing conflicts that began long before America was a thing, in campaigns without any kind of coherent objective?"

impeach 'em

tw 10-16-2019 08:54 AM

How fast did Americans surrender and run from Syria? Russians now report abandoned American based with tents still standing, refrigerators still stocked with food, and some plates with half eaten meals.

That is how quickly this president ordered American soldiers to abandon the Kurds and run away.

Russian soldiers are tweeting pictures of themselves in abandoned American tents where the Americans ran away only hours earlier. 40% of Americans still approve of the scumbag president - whose only purpose is to entertain his ego and enrich himself.

He even told Kim that it is OK to develop missiles that can attack S Korean and Japanese cities. When Japan's Prime Minister Abe confronted The Don with this American surrender, The Don dismissed him as irrelevant. Nice way to treat (mock, insult) a closest American ally. Since The Donald likes dictators like Kim, Xi, and Putin. They inflate his ego.

Griff 10-16-2019 09:36 AM

This was addressed in the debate last night. Tulsi was more for just getting out because these regime change wars are and have been a poorly conceived nightmare. Mayor Pete was more nuanced, he recognized that the origins of these wars is dubious but our abandonment of allies is utterly destructive of America's place in the world and pretty horrifying on the ground. So yeah, we need to get out but let's not make the world much worse place by doing it badly.

Undertoad 10-16-2019 01:43 PM

Quote:

Middle East is first and foremost a problem that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Israel, and the Gulf States should be addressing. They - not the US - should have defined what is necessary and implement resulting plans. Otherwise we have another reduction in US living standards because extremists again want America to be the world's policemen.
i just happened to be watching the television just now and orange man echoed these points exactly

tw 10-17-2019 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1040003)
i just happened to be watching the television just now and orange man echoed these points exactly

Never forget why we are so fully involved. Liars. Liars said Saddam had WMDs. So we surrendered Afghanistan to the Taliban. Then wasted $3 trillion and 5000 American servicemen lives on that Mission Accomplished lie. So many American civilians failed to learn what were obvious lies. And so endorsed the resulting massacre.

Simply return to 2003 to read posts warning of this both before and after 'Shock and Awe' - which BTW did nothing. We have no choice. We decided to waste the American economy on lies promoted by wacko extremists. And are today still paying to China massive sums on the interest for all that borrowed money.

Simply go back to 2003 to read quotes of what Cheney said. "Deficits don't matter." He forgot to mention that American servicemen also do not matter.

Deja Vue Vietnam. We did the same thing there. And eventually surrendered to N Vietnam. We now see Americans surrendering to everyone else in Syria. While granting success after success to the Russians and The Don's good friend Putin. A another example of why extremists (using their political biases) create disasters. And why we desperately need leaders who are patriots - also called moderates.

Yesterday, Trump was having a meltdown that even embarrassed Republicans were critical of. He called the Kurds evil and communists. He said they were never an ally. His insulted Pelois and other Democrats with insults that need not be quoted due to his flagrant vulgarity (as if grabbing any women's groin is acceptable behavior - he said so).

Even the extremist John Bolton is openly criticizing this corrupt administration.

Meanwhile, Trump will hold the next G-7 meeting at his resort. He says it will be done at cost. And calls it all acceptable behavior - as any mafia Don would do. That 'at cost' includes his personal profits. And more profits when he does what he has always done. Withhold payments from contractors.

Russian soldiers are tweeting pictures of The Don's victory. Showing American bases, fully stocked even with food, abandoned only hours earlier by a defeated American Army. Defeated by a mental instability that is so common with wacko extremists and egotists.

Last Wednesday, The Don sent a letter to Erdoğan scolding him in no uncertain terms to not massacre Kurds. And threatening to destroy the Turk economy if they did anything that Trump does not want. Erdoğan simply threw it in the trash can and ordered, within hours, the invasion of Kurdish protected lands in Syria. He knows a scumbag is all bluff and insults - a massive ego - and no balls. But that is the man that right wing extremists (KKK, White Supremacists, Nazis) love. They (and similar ones here) say all this is good.

Just like it was good to massacre 5000 American servicemen in Mission Accomplished for no purpose.

That is why we are and now must be there. The warnings that said why were posted back in 2003.

BTW, same deniers also poo-pooed warnings about the Sprately and Parcel Islands. The Don is even insulting and undermining American allies in that region. Because his best friend is the N Korean dictator Kim. His ego is more important than making America great. By insulting people and lying every day, he is loved by right wing wacko extremists.

How many more American surrenders can be expect this year. Now that The Don is sounding more like Nixon in his last six months.

sexobon 10-17-2019 08:47 PM

The Donald is channeling tw.

tw 10-19-2019 08:45 AM

The Don wants to invite Putin to the G-7. All others forced Russia out due to so many corrupt and despicable activities such as the invasion of Ukraine. No problem. This scumbag president even tried to sell Ukraine to the Russians. Endorses Russia providing Kim the missile technology to attack S Korean and Japanese cities. Even ordered the Ukrainian president to such up to his good friend Putin. And has made Russia the strongest power broker in the Middle East.

Turkey was once a strongest American ally. 90% of Turks had highest praise for America. George Jr massively hurt that approval. The scumbag has now ordered American troops to surrender. So Erdoğan will visit the world's leader. He will visit Putin next week. He knows who has intelligent leaders.

Why does the Don want the G-7 in his resort? Well, he promised to remove himself from all those properties if elected president. He lied (of course because that make one popular with extremists). That Trump Doral resort (typical of a Trump run corporation) is having financial problems. No problem. He will force the government to increase his business and profits. Since according to The Don (who is only loved by wacko extremist and the most corrupt), that is completely acceptable and ethical behavior (it never was - but wacko extremists now define this new America in their own image).

White House said they reviewed all resorts. Claim only Trump Doral has facilities necessary to support a G-7 meeting - which will become a G-8 so that Trump can welcome Putin to thank him for helping the mafioso boss get elected and then reelected.

Extremist are obvious in this thread They don't criticize a president who has clearly made Nixon into "not a crook".

The scumbag may try to edit this using a sharpie.

sexobon 10-19-2019 10:39 AM

Sour grapes 'cause the Donald didn't put you on his list … no Trump Doral for you.

tw 10-19-2019 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1040084)
Sour grapes 'cause the Donald didn't put you on his list … no Trump Doral for you.

Anti-Americans discuss (make decisions from) emotions. Patriots instead learn and discuss facts (such as an enthralled an ego to backstab the Kurds). Instead we should eat cake? No grapes.

Pretty pictures drawn with Sharpies prove everything is good. And that the Kurds really were not allies.

Why would anyone go to a resort that screws contractors and loses money only to enrich The Don? Because that is what good mafioso do - to impress his best friend Putin.

sexobon 10-19-2019 02:46 PM

The Kurds felt the same way when Obama pulled us out of Iraq. They're used to it and have contingency plans for when the US picks-up and leaves.

henry quirk 10-19-2019 08:07 PM

"the Kurds really were not allies"
 
They weren't allies: they were dependents. We were babysittin' 'em (as we probably will again).

Really, how long have we been trainin' 'em? And what were we trainin' 'em for (if not to stand on their own)?

What's irksome: if President [insert tw's favorite] had withdrawn in exactly the same way, tw would have nuthin' but praise to offer.

Hypocrite.

tw 10-20-2019 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1040097)
The Kurds felt the same way when Obama pulled us out of Iraq. They're used to it and have contingency plans for when the US picks-up and leaves.

Well that answer says nothing. And completely ignores relevant and different details in each case.

We know the Kurds were a strong American ally. Nobody - except Donald Trump brainwashed disciples - denies that. The American / Kurd alliance remained one of the strongest and most effective against Daesh.

Even Turkey provided tactical support and freedoms to Isis. That was restricted when Americans got involved using NATO alliance principles that also kept Turkey from attacking the Kurds.

But again, we have a perfect example of who is a wacko Trump supporting extremist. The scumbag Don yesterday even tweeted Kurds as never safer. Another example of why soundbytes and 140 character declarations are akin to a lie. We will see extremist here, while posting more insults, agree with that tweeted lie. After all, it must be true because he - like the scumbag president - uses insults to prove it as true.

henry quirk 10-20-2019 11:14 AM

"We know the Kurds were a strong American ally."
 
If they're so strong: what did they/do they bring to the table (aside from warm bodies)?

We train them (forever), arm them, direct them, take care of them.

Again: they were our charges (and, no doubt, they will be again).

sexobon 10-20-2019 11:46 AM

The Kurds ally themselves with whomever best suits their agenda at the time. We do the same. We've repeatedly dumped the Kurds; but, they always come back to us when our objectives overlap. Why buy the cow (all of their agenda) when we're getting the milk (our objectives) for free. It's time to cut them loose again to see if what they do is worthy of any future alliance. If they haven't learned how to police their own without us, we should be looking for new partners rather than pouring our resources into that bottomless pit.

tw 10-21-2019 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1040123)
The Kurds ally themselves with whomever best suits their agenda at the time.

All allies do that. So America's best allies (ie Japan, Britain, Jordan, Australia, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel) have started looking elsewhere. With The Don cozying up to Putin, Xi, and Kim; with America backstabbing the Kurds in less than 24 hours, then all those nations and others must reconsider safer options.

When Abe complained about N Korea's unrestricted missile tests that the US all but approved, Trump basically replied the protection of Japanese cities is no longer our concern. Another example of backstabbing an ally.

A major source of American power was once the so many countries that supported and helped America because America was once a trusted ally. No longer in part because so many people even here have contempt for our allies - and what once made America great. A Don will backstab anyone who does not enchant his ego.

Undertoad 10-21-2019 08:50 AM

Put the entire world on notice that we will not be policing it any longer. Costs too much.

I honestly thought that was what you wanted?

henry quirk 10-21-2019 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1040166)
Put the entire world on notice that we will not be policing it any longer. Costs too much.

I honestly thought that was what you wanted?

As I say: if his favorite were doin' the exact same thing, the exact same way, he'd be heapin' praise.

But it's The Don, so it's wrong, it's bad, its crazy, it's dumb.

Also: note how 'moderate' has morphed into 'patriot' and 'extremist' is begining to morph into 'anti-american'. A memo musta been issued by Central Planning advisin' dupes and agents of a marketin' change.

tw 10-21-2019 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1040166)
Put the entire world on notice that we will not be policing it any longer. Costs too much.

I honestly thought that was what you wanted?

Then you did not comprehend every paragraph. Just as you failed to grasp what are now well proven history (supported by many facts and numbers) before the Mission Accomplished war. I never post like a liar - ie post soundbytes justified by cheapshots. Read everything posted.

We have allies so that all will work to advance mankind. So that the local allies will avert problems long before things get worse. And then we only get involved in rare situations when things go wrong.

Iraq went terribly wrong so many times because George Jf was even teaching politics to its president - the man he approved of even after his advisers said otherwise. He spendtwo hours everyday by satellite. So a 500 man Isis attack routed three Iraqi divisions - maybe 15,000 men. They even abandoned their weapons and ran. An example of why America is still spending massively in a war that already cost well over $3 trillion.

What is the dic licking president doing? He backstabs allies. He praises the enemies of democracy, free speech, honest electronics, world wide declarations, and free trade. He destroys treaties that would advance mankind - ie TPP. He even lies about bringing troops back from Syria. He only makes things worse, He does not even know why a G-7 in Trump's Doral resort is classic corruption. He even lied about divesting himself of those business that are clearly conflicts of interest. (See how he has ordered Millitary transport crews to use his resort in Scotland.)

Do you actually endorse the driving of American allies into the growing sphere of China and Russia. Apparently so. Because you only extracted soundbytes from those previous post. And may not even gasp every necessary paragraph here.

Even Nixon was not that corrupt.

Go back and read those points. Why did the scumbag try to Pearl Harbor Iran? Even George Jr gave reasons why (albeit lies) to justify the Pearl Harboring of Iraq. And yes, we did Pearl Harbor Iraq. We all now know how much of a lie that was. Even Shock and Awe accomplished nothing - was a lie.

Question unasnswered is who was patriotic American enough to avert the Pearl Harboring of Iran only ten minutes before the attack? That disaster was not averted for hours or days? Why then does this big dic leader have a finger on the button? Oh. His best friends are Russia and China. He would rather attack France, South Korea, Turkey, or Japan - nations that accurately criticize him.

We need allies. What ally has the Don not yet disparaged or backstabbed? That list has become quite small.

sexobon 10-21-2019 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 1040162)
All allies do that. So America's best allies (ie Japan, Britain, Jordan, Australia, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel) have started looking elsewhere. With The Don cozying up to Putin, Xi, and Kim; with America backstabbing the Kurds in less than 24 hours, then all those nations and others must reconsider safer options.

That's the conventional wisdom; however, it doesn't jibe with The Donald's esoteric eccentricity. Trump has a business model that he uses as a template for the world and his business, the USA.

Countries that expect the USA to provide security for them are viewed as employees (like commercial businesses provide employees with financial security). A business CEO can have expectations of employees. There may be rifts. Unions may even organize. If the competition gets stiff; however, they'll all pull together again so the business can survive. Everyone knows what's at stake.

Countries that don't expect the USA to provide security for them are viewed as other businesses (like commercial businesses are financially independent). A business CEO has no expectations of other businesses and has to do what it takes to attract them. There may be contracts. There may be cooperatives. If the business doesn't do what it takes to remain attractive to other businesses; however, they can be pushed apart again. Everyone knows what's at stake.

Groups of people who aren't countries are viewed as temps (like temporary workers from a commercial staffing agency). A business CEO has very limited expectations of temps. There may be pay; but, no benefits. There may be a job; but, no career. When the CEO no longer wants temps, the business simply goes on without them the very next day. Everyone knows they had no stake in each other.

Allied countries, non-allied countries, and groups of people that don't comprise countries (e.g. Kurds) are experiencing Trump's mystery diplomacy. Trump's methodologies are unconventional; so, those going with the conventional wisdom are going to be jumping to the wrong conclusions. It's to be expected from those who don't have related insights.

henry quirk 10-21-2019 07:10 PM

"We have allies so that all will work to advance mankind"
 
Nope. We ally (with comparative equals) to advance mutual national agendas.

The Kurds are warm bodies, charges, proxies, toooools!. They never have been, and they never will be, allies.

If we, some day, get 'round to what they want, well, that's nice, but it ain't a neccessity

[timesaving, anticipated, tw response]: "extremist, emotion, The Don, dic sucker, anti-american, patriot, etcétera"

:zzz:

tw 10-22-2019 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1040196)
That's the conventional wisdom; however, it doesn't jibe with The Donald's esoteric eccentricity. Trump has a business model that he uses as a template for the world and his business, the USA.

Problem lies in his business models. No company need make any money. His long history is to screw customers and contractors. Cohen's job, as his lawyer, was to tell contractors that they would not be paid. Eventually they might get 40 cents on the dollar after a lawsuit.

What does that say about all American allies? Can the Kurds sue?

tw 10-22-2019 05:50 PM

America just surrendered again today.

Surrender 2: The scumbag Don said Turkey would only occupy a tiny 18 mile sliver of Syria along the Turkey border. Well Turkey made a deal with what apparently is their future new ally - Russia. Russian and Turks will ethic cleanse the entire border some 30 miles into Syria. Russian and Turk (allied forces) will patrol that region forever.

Turks can trust the Russian leader. They do not trust the anti-American president. But then only people such as the KKK, White Supremacists and Nazis do.

Surrender 3: The anti-America president said American soldiers will fight Daesh from inside Iraq. Because his ego tells him what to think, then he forgot to ask Iraq's permission. Today, Iraq said those American troops will be expelled.

Why? Everyone in the world knows that Trump has contempt for all America allies that do not praise his ego. Iraq knows who is surrendering and who is the new power: Russia. Iraq must now cozy up to Russia who is more than willing to replace a massive power vacuum created by people who voted for Trump.

How many more surrenders are ongoing? Over in the western Pacific were once many countries allied and cooperating in a unified defense. Those agreements are now being terminated since nations fear that being allies with America is now dangerous. Trump will sacrifice anyone to enhance his ego.

For example, S Korea and Japan once shared intelligence for mutual defense. That stops this month. The anti-American president said it is now acceptable for N Korea to have missiles that can nuke S Korean and Japanese cities. Without TPP, there is no reason to those nations to cooperate or to formalize a western Pacific Nato. They know who is moving in to fill a massive power vacuum.

Wacko extremists say this is good. Because it 'wrecks shit'.

Moderates would never surrender everywhere. Extremists do.

The wackos here will insult this poster rather than deal with reality. These anti-American Trump voters cannot admit that Trump has "made America surrender again" - MASA.

henry quirk 10-22-2019 06:07 PM

America just surrendered again today.
 
Mother told me, yes, she told me I'd meet girls like you.
She also told me, "stay away, you'll never know what you'll catch."
Just the other day I heard a soldier falling off some Indonesian junk that's going round.

Mommy's alright, daddy's alright, they just seem a little weird.
Surrender, surrender, but don't give yourself away, ay, ay, ay.

Father says, "your mother's right, she's really up on things."
"before we married, mommy served in the wacs in the Philippines."
Now, I had heard the wacs recruited old maids for the war.
But mommy isn't one of those, I've known her all these years.

Mommy's alright, daddy's alright, they just seem a little weird.
Surrender, surrender, but don't give yourself away, ay, ay, ay.

Whatever happened to all this season's losers of the year?
Every time I got to thinking, where'd they disappear?
When I woke up, mom and dad are rolling on the couch.
Rolling numbers, rock and rolling, got my kiss records out.

Mommy's alright, daddy's alright, they just seem a little weird.
Surrender, surrender, but don't give yourself away, ay, ay, ay.

Away.
Away.

tw 10-22-2019 06:31 PM

This guy must have The Cellar on speed dial. He replies in minutes so that we can all be ordered how to think. Then posts insults like a child rather than facts like an adult.

I thought that was The Donald's job to lie. Since he knows more than the generals, scientists, lawyers, weathermen, teachers, police, congressmen, real estate professionals, American allies, and Einstein. Well he did not list the last one yet. But he will.

Apparently an extremist here is trying to steal The Don's job.

henry quirk 10-22-2019 06:58 PM

"ordered how to think"
 
I can't direct that which ain't happenin', tommy...

Ever since I was a young boy
I've played the silver ball
From Soho down to Brighton
I must have played them all
But I ain't seen nothing like him
In any amusement hall
That deaf dumb and blind kid
Sure plays a mean pin ball!

He stands like a statue,
Becomes part of the machine
Feeling all the bumpers
Always playing clean
He plays by intuition,
The digit counters fall
That deaf dumb and blind kid
Sure plays a mean pin ball!

He's a pin ball wizard
There has got to be a twist
A pin ball wizard,
S'got such a supple wrist

How do you think he does it? I don't know!
What makes him so good?

He ain't got no distractions
Can't hear those buzzers and bells
Don't see lights a flashin'
Plays by sense of smell
Always gets a replay
Never seen him fall
That deaf dumb and blind kid
Sure plays a mean pin ball!

I thought I was
The Bally table king
But I just handed
My pin ball crown to him

Even on my favorite table
He can beat my best
His disciples lead him in
And he just does the rest
He's got crazy flipper fingers
Never seen him fall
That deaf dumb and blind kind
Sure plays a mean pin ball!

tw 10-24-2019 10:59 AM

The Don has again told his disciples how great he is. He will build his wall in Colorado. He said it will be the best wall ever built because he is a greatest builder. It will be a mile high.

He did not lie - believe it or not. For the benefit of Trump worshippers, that wall will be a mile high above sea level.

Then we will forget about the ethnic cleansing of Kurds in Syria. The Don says all that will be good. He also says no Kurds are dying. Probably because they can continue living in heaven.

henry quirk 10-24-2019 02:24 PM

the wall
 
We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey, teachers, leave them kids alone
All in all it's just another brick in the wall
All in all you're just another brick in the wall
We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave those kids alone
Hey teachers, leave those kids alone
All in all you're just another brick in the wall
All in all you're just another brick in the wall
"Wrong, do it again! Wrong, do it again!"
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"
"You, yes, you behind the bike sheds, stand still, laddy"

tw 10-25-2019 09:39 AM

Now the scumbag president wants to go back into Syria to protect oil wells. The Russians responded by bluntly ordering the defeated American army out. So now the emotional White House wants to deploy armor to protect those oil wells.

He assumed Iraq will go along with it. He assumes that he has any credibility in the world. He only knows how to get Americans killed for no purpose.

Back to the musical interlude provided by a Russian sympathizer.

henry quirk 10-25-2019 11:46 AM

From Russia with love, I fly to you
Much wiser since my goodbye to you
I've travelled the world to learn
I must return
From Russia with love
I've seen places, faces
And smile for a moment
But, oh, you haunted me so
Still, my tongue tied young bride
Would not let my love for you show
In case you'd say "No"
To Russia I flew but there and then
I suddenly knew you'd care again
My running around is through
I'd fly to you
From Russia with love

Urbane Guerrilla 11-09-2019 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 1040317)
He said it will be the best wall ever built because he is a greatest builder. It will be a mile high.

He did not lie - believe it or not. For the benefit of Trump worshippers, that wall will be a mile high above sea level.

And that's just at the foot. If he sites it right, at the foothills of the Front Range. Farther east, well, not so much. Pseudoastonishment, noted.

Do you know, I suspect that The Donald Who Didn't Get My Vote But Might Later (is not infuriating tw a good general way to advance the free Republic's interests?) tweets things just to bait the not-so-canny on the Left and the anti-Trumpkins in general into outgribing, frothing, and rapid circumambulation (really rapid) or circumsaltation, while what he actually does is a good deal better thought out and more admirable than his persecuters give him credit for.

I'm a sterling fellow; I do not harbor prejudice. The anti-Trumpkins are actuated by their prejudice alone. It is a prejudice that is theirs alone.

Schadenfreude may not be edifying, and it may be a vice, but there's a certain amount of it in watching these worthless people chew off their own tongues before returning to their regular course of impeachment-scented mental masturbation.

Quote:

The wackos here will insult this poster rather than deal with reality.
Some of us make a hobby of supporting reality by insulting your unreality and yourself. Now bend over like a real guy, and the more carnal among us will inject greater and American reality up your touchhole. The Middle-Eastern phrase is "We'll bring Masoud."

tw 12-11-2019 08:53 PM

According to The Economist, The Don wants to end the war in Afghanistan before the 2020 elections. So Zalmay Khalilzad has spent almost all of 2019 shuttling between Doha, Kabul, and Washington trying negotiate a peace treaty with the Taliban. Trump was going to invite the Taliban and Afghan government to Camp David to sign the deal in September. A week before, he canceled it.

It is really a surrender by the Americans to the Taliban. The Afghan government gets noticeably weaker every month. Its forces are now dependent on air strikes to keep the Taliban from overrunning major cities. Last Septembers election meant only 2.7 of 9.6 million voters could vote.

What are we seeing. An American surrender to the Taliban similar to the American surrender to N Vietnam in the 1970s. This time, the Kabul government will be sacrificed just like the Saigon government was some 45 years ago. Since The Don wants a victory before November 2020. It is his nature to throw anybody under the bus to get it - even a country.

Anther $trillion and a 20 year education down the drain.

Meanwhile the same Don tried and was only ten minutes from starting another useful war with Iran. No settlement is possible there as long as Trump supporters adamantly insist none is possible or should be attempted.


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