The Cellar

The Cellar (http://cellar.org/index.php)
-   Cities and Travel (http://cellar.org/forumdisplay.php?f=19)
-   -   Want to see what Pam sees every day? (http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=31079)

Carruthers 03-05-2016 10:46 AM



Give that man a medal!

It's not just the skill involved, it's how easy they make it look.

BigV 03-05-2016 10:59 AM

I suspect robots might have been involved. See recent Ford F-150 assisted trailer backup videos here and elsewhere.

Carruthers 03-05-2016 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV (Post 954876)
I suspect robots might have been involved. See recent Ford F-150 assisted trailer backup videos here and elsewhere.

Well, that's another illusion shattered!

Just when I'd got to that stage in life where I wasn't prepared to accept anything at face value.

I obviously let my guard down.

BigV 03-05-2016 11:56 AM

The truth will set you free!

xoxoxoBruce 03-05-2016 01:57 PM

Truth or suspicion? If you look at the numerous truck rodeo videos on the net, you'll see there are drivers who have the skills to make that move without any aids.

Pamela 03-05-2016 07:48 PM

I used to do that all the time (and still sometimes do).
Indoor docks are scary until you get used to them, then they are actually easier than outdoor docks because you can see the entrance more easily than mere lines on the ground.

Gravdigr 03-06-2016 05:06 PM

Cool vid, Mr. C.

Gravdigr 03-19-2016 01:38 PM


xoxoxoBruce 03-19-2016 01:50 PM

Better off hitting the asshole. If you don't like someone on your tail move the fuck over.

Gravdigr 03-19-2016 02:30 PM

If you don't like crashing, get off of my ass.

Gravdigr 03-19-2016 03:17 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Attachment 55654

xoxoxoBruce 03-19-2016 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 955825)
If you don't like crashing, get off of my ass.

If you don't like crashing get the fuck over where you belong.

Gravdigr 03-20-2016 01:56 PM

I won't be the one crashing. I'll be the one brake-checking the tailgater. Also, I don't camp out in the passing lane.

xoxoxoBruce 03-20-2016 03:39 PM

If you brake check, prepare to be crashed into.

Gravdigr 03-21-2016 03:55 PM

I'm always prepared to be crashed into.

Because people.

You sound as though you enjoy tailgating.

xoxoxoBruce 03-21-2016 06:36 PM

Not at all, I like the fact the left lane bandits won't move unless they are tailgated, even less. I've been pondering James Bondish forward facing rocket launchers. Not for real military blow'em up rockets, but 4th of July class C rockets to fire a foot above their roof. That should get their attention.

Griff 03-21-2016 08:06 PM

Who was the tailgated vehicle supposed to cutoff, the tractor trailer or the car on the on ramp?

xoxoxoBruce 03-22-2016 12:03 AM

He didn't have to cut off anyone, there was enough room to pull an aircraft carrier in front of the truck. If you're far enough ahead for the truck to see your blinky, it's not a problem IF YOU DON"T SLOW DOWN. The trouble comes when they pass the truck, pull in then slow to a speed slower than the truck is traveling. It's stupid, dangerous and very very rude.

A guy was telling me how he always uses his blinkys, always gives the passed vehicle plenty of room, doesn't travel more than 5 over, and just loves his cruise control which he uses all the time. When he comes up on a truck doing 5 less than he is he just puts on his blinky, changes lanes, and when well past the truck puts on the blinky and moves back.

I told him passing that truck with a 5 mph differential, just tied up the left lane for 15 fucking miles. He said, so? He's lucky there were several witnesses including two cops. I couldn't even yell at him in case I got a chance to dismember him later. :mad:

Clodfobble 03-22-2016 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Not at all, I like the fact the left lane bandits won't move unless they are tailgated, even less.

I have found flashing headlights to be both more polite and far more effective. You flash your lights, I know you mean to tell me something. You tailgate me, you might just be a jerk, and if I move over (thus screwing up the flow of the lane next to me, which is likely crowded as well,) you might not even pass me.

Also, where is the line of what is "fast enough" for the fast lane? Just this past Sunday I was going 90--no exaggeration whatsoever--and got passed on the right by a guy flipping me off and waving me out of the fast lane like I was a grandma going 5 under. It's all relative.

xoxoxoBruce 03-22-2016 07:34 AM

I haven't found the headlights to be effective in daylight.
You only screw up the flow of traffic in the lane next to you if it's packed so dense everybody is crawling. Traffic doesn't move in a continuous flow, it moves in packs, mobs, with breaks in between. One of the things I noticed a very long time ago, before mobile radar, and used it as a defense strategy. If a car is coming up fast from the rear in the left lane, and passes a group of three or more cars in the right lane, if not one of that group pull out to pass after he goes by them, it's a cop. Now that strategy is outdated, but traffic habits haven't changed except to add more clueless dolts who are now distracted as well. Oh, and there's more angry armed people out there.

There is no line, there is no fast enough. Travel at what's comfortable for you, but always have situational awareness and let faster traffic by.

Two rules of the road:
1- Don't hit the car in front.
2- Don't impede the car behind.
Then you will live long and prosper.

xoxoxoBruce 03-24-2016 09:25 PM

Unique way to steal a car. I can't embed it though.

xoxoxoBruce 04-03-2016 03:05 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Must be from MO.

Pamela 04-03-2016 05:32 PM

I really dislike it when guys (and it is ALWAYS guys) put that on their trailers. If we are gonna flash bewbage, we're gonna do it, demanding takes the fun out of it.

xoxoxoBruce 04-03-2016 08:08 PM

He's just letting the world know he's open to being flashed in case someone gets the urge. Please. :haha:

Gravdigr 04-05-2016 01:31 PM


xoxoxoBruce 04-05-2016 02:08 PM

He honked for them to move but they didn't so he flamed them. :o
Boys and girls, if you see a tanker laying on it's side... run, don't walk.

Gravdigr 04-05-2016 04:26 PM

I think they were trying to scream the fire out.

Gravdigr 04-08-2016 03:06 PM



I don't know how that very lucky woman ain't hamburger meat.:headshake

Pamela 04-09-2016 08:11 PM

Nice save from a trailer jackknife. Those are HARD to stop. You have to grab the Johnson bar (trailer brake handle) real fast and juuuust apply the brakes to the trailer enough to pull it out without losing control entirely.

xoxoxoBruce 04-09-2016 11:18 PM

Probably hitting the tree helped kick the trailer back over.

Gravdigr 04-10-2016 02:43 PM

I know I would have grabbed my johnson...

Gravdigr 04-19-2016 02:38 PM



I don't know if it will be visible to all, but...See that water spewing out the exhaust stack? I bet that's not good.

xoxoxoBruce 04-19-2016 02:41 PM

water to water heat transfer makes the radiator very efficient. :rolleyes:

xoxoxoBruce 04-28-2016 06:54 PM

1 Attachment(s)
This could be for most any trucking company. The small lettering consisting of old stick on letters half peeled off, at the bottom, says M F DRIVERS ONLY. Can't be male, female, as there aren't any other kind. Monday through Friday Maybe?

Pamela 04-29-2016 01:56 PM

Looks like my company.

Symi 05-14-2016 05:55 AM

Well truly said IO have ni idea about this, but I will share about this with my friends and so sure about that they will have some information about this.

Gravdigr 05-14-2016 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 958700)
The small lettering consisting of old stick on letters half peeled off, at the bottom, says M F DRIVERS ONLY. Can't be male, female, as there aren't any other kind. Monday through Friday Maybe?

"Members Only"

Gravdigr 05-14-2016 04:16 PM


classicman 05-15-2016 09:12 AM

HEY!!!! You forgot your rear tires.

Pamela 05-15-2016 05:31 PM

Obviously clipped a Jersey Barrier merging or curving and flipped his trailer, which pulled the whole rig over. Nasty to see happen right THERE, I imagine.

Gravdigr 05-17-2016 01:30 PM

1 Attachment(s)
No. No one is this stupid. Are there really people this stupid? Tell me there aren't. Please. Lie to me if you must.

Attachment 56559

xoxoxoBruce 05-17-2016 02:27 PM

But, but, the Garmin says...

glatt 05-17-2016 02:52 PM

The camera lies.

The rear of the truck is in the gravel parking lot under the wires. He pulled a little out of the way to make room for the forklift to maneuver. He'll be backing up into the gravel parking lot in a minute.

Pamela 05-17-2016 09:22 PM

Yes, people ARE that stupid. Bruce nailed it.

Gravdigr 05-18-2016 10:57 AM

I said ya could lie to me, damn.

xoxoxoBruce 05-25-2016 10:05 PM

Quote:

Now, Johnny Isakson, the senior U.S. Senator from Georgia, wants to keep those trucks from going faster than 65 mph.

“We'll put speed governors on all trucks at 65 miles an hour,” Isakson said. [That] controls the speed they'll go [and] keeps them under the speed limit, which is most times 70 [mph] but is far more safe for the people on the highways with them.”
link

Pamela 05-26-2016 09:16 PM

Of course, limit the trucks with expert drivers but not the cars, which essentially have no top limit and drivers who for the most part, learned from a family member at 16 and have had no further training since. I see them all day long, ten to twenty mph over, changing lanes illegally, tailgating, exiting from the left lane, failing to yield the right-of-way and much more.

Big companies are behind the push for a de facto national speed limit on one class of vehicle, a la Canada because it will eliminate the competition from independent drivers who can't haul more but can do it faster than they can.

I would rather see mandatory black boxes in all cars and trucks (we already have them) but coupled to dashcam footage from the front and both sides. Then the lying and misdirections from all involved will cease and have the added benefit of cutting down on frivolous lawsuits.

Gravdigr 05-27-2016 11:16 AM

Well now you're just making sense.

Undertoad 05-27-2016 11:42 AM

I went and looked up what made them want to put in limits. It was an incident last year, when 5 students were killed when a truck driver was texting and apparently it was porn and he wasn't paying attention and etc.

So this is where "safety" fails us. If he is on that stretch of road at 75 instead of 65, he is actually on it for a smaller amount of time, and less of that time is unattentive. Students are run into at 75 instead of 65, but it probably happens less often.

You could lower the speed to a rate where it guarantees no road fatalities... except for the fatalities where a critical medical package doesn't arrive on time, or because all goods and services are slightly more expensive due to shipping costs... or because we're on I-95 for 27 hours just trying to get to Orlando and we shoot ourselves and our family...

And, really, after my Tesla test drive, I see it's obviously only a few years out: automation is going to address this. Leave the speeds where they are, because the systems will prevent anyone running into students.

At any speed. Raise the limits, that's the future.

glatt 05-27-2016 11:47 AM

When the system gets advanced enough, we won't need traffic signals any longer, and pedestrians will have homing beacons they wear (probably built into their phones) that make the cars stop for them as they approach a curb to cross the street.

xoxoxoBruce 05-27-2016 01:14 PM

Oh that's great, and of course mandatory transponders, especially for the children, won't somebody think of the children? You sure as fuck will when you're tied up in traffic because some kid(s) are playing fucking games. Ever watch a kid keep pushing the pedestrian button, like for an hour? And if the little bastard approaches the curb all the cars stop? How far from the curb? From which direction? Jr on a dead run down an alley or side street can run out into traffic in how many nanoseconds? Oh, and the cars will stop in zero feet? Science, bitches.

You're utopia where anyone can just walk out in the street without fear, will be a fucking nightmare. There is only one way to keep people from getting hit by vehicles, and that's to eliminate one or the other. Building utopia in any existing city is not possible. And don't give me crap about this or that city did this or that to make downtown more "pedestrian friendly". Oh, they closed off two of seven thousand streets, isn't that cute.

Quote:

Reaction Distance
One such factor is the perception of an impending danger. The driver of a passenger vehicle usually takes 1.5 seconds to perceive a dangerous situation and apply the brakes. This time is about the same for the average truck driver.

Weight
Another factor that impacts the time it takes for the vehicle to stop is the weight of the vehicle. Even though semi trucks have larger brakes than other vehicles, it usually takes the semi truck much longer to stop because of the much larger weight of the semi truck. Cars have an average weight of 5,000 pounds while a semi truck can weigh up to 80,000 pounds.

Therefore, a car takes about 124 feet to come to a stop when traveling at 40 miles per hour from the time that the driver perceives the danger. In comparison, a truck driver takes approximately 169 feet from the danger perception time when traveling at the same speed.

Speed
A critical component of calculating stop times is to know the speed that the vehicle was traveling right before the accident. The faster the vehicle is traveling, the longer it will take to come to a complete stop. In comparison to the figures noted above, a passenger vehicle will take about 316 feet from the awareness point when traveling 65 miles per hour. The semi truck takes about 525 feet before coming to a complete stop.
link

So with your magic braking system cutting the 1.5 seconds reaction time to near zero(which I doubt unless your brakes are going to lock up the moment it senses there might be a danger), at 65 mph you start stopping 140ish feet sooner. It still takes 316/525 feet to stop, IF it's perfect traction, perfect mechanical condition, and the acquired target isn't too smart.

Some truck driver jerking off on a smartphone? It doesn't matter what speed he's going. No technology will make that fool safe on the road.

glatt 05-27-2016 01:24 PM

LOL

Yeah. Don't blame me. It's the way the technology is going. If all cars are computer controlled, there is no reason for traffic signals except pedestrians. Pedestrians have a right to cross the street, so you have to find a technological solution.

Look at it this way, you wait for every red light for no reason, or you wait for an occasional pedestrian and have only green lights the rest of the time.

Doesn't matter anyway, you'll be letting the car drive, and you'll just be posting to the cellar. They are going to ban human driven cars eventually.

Gravdigr 05-27-2016 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 961081)
You're utopia...

And don't call me Utopia.

Undertoad 05-27-2016 02:49 PM

Hey, we evolved from horse & buggies, to trains, to cars, to planes, to jets. Every advantage is always used, and every big danger, we figure out and are carefully taught. It's not like day one we have nothing, and then day two our worst fears spring to life. But the evolution happens pretty quickly when it needs to, when there's a big advantage.

we're adults, we got this

D'ya ever think about the *crazy* amount of information in your head just about transportation signals alone? Colors of signs, shapes of signs, colors of lines, numbers of lines, colors of lights, placement of lights, implied limits, real limits; everything in our world is oriented around this one system. We spend years learning it.

Gravdigr 05-27-2016 02:55 PM

And, then, BAM!, flying cars.

xoxoxoBruce 05-27-2016 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 961085)
Yeah. Don't blame me. It's the way the technology is going.

No, it's what urban nerds and control freaks are thinking. It's against the laws of nature, stupid people should die... without reproducing.
Quote:

If allcars are computer controlled, there is no reason for traffic signals except pedestrians.
Ever hear of cross streets? Why bother with cars when mass transportation does the same thing? Oh, that's right, that's not feasible for 90% of the country.
Are you going to have traffic interweave? Fine, let the hoofers weave too, or take the pedestrian bridge. Although they're probably not smart enough to use it, or won't look up from their phone long enough to see it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 961091)
Hey, we evolved from horse & buggies, to trains, to cars, to planes, to jets. Every advantage is always used, and every big danger, we figure out and are carefully taught. It's not like day one we have nothing, and then day two our worst fears spring to life. But the evolution happens pretty quickly when it needs to, when there's a big advantage.

You do realize there are a lot of people in this country who have never seen a jet plane on the ground, don't you?
Quote:

we're adults, we got this
We're adults, we don't want or need this.
Quote:

D'ya ever think about the *crazy* amount of information in your head just about transportation signals alone? Colors of signs, shapes of signs, colors of lines, numbers of lines, colors of lights, placement of lights, implied limits, real limits; everything in our world is oriented around this one system. We spend years learning it.
It's obvious some NEVER ever learn it. But the sum total is a drop in the bucket compared to the useless shit you've cataloged, indexed and stuffed in your noggin, instead of stuff that could save your life.

What does a flashing yellow light mean?
Slow down.
What... does... a... flashing... yellow... light... mean?
Slow down.
What... does..... a...... flashing...... yellow....... light....... mean?

Now there's something that might save my life someday. http://cellar.org/2015/shades.gif

xoxoxoBruce 06-02-2016 12:17 AM

Texas...





Clodfobble 06-02-2016 07:36 AM

I'm going to be on that exact stretch of road Saturday morning.


Looks like a minivan cut off a semi, which rear-ended it, but it was pulling a ramped, empty bed, so when the semi behind that rear-ended the first semi, it went flying through the air like a Dukes of Hazzard episode.

xoxoxoBruce 06-02-2016 07:44 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Exactly, and by the skid marks he wasn't on the brakes long before impact.

glatt 06-02-2016 08:16 AM

And the lesson I take away from this is that the red truck filming the whole thing was at a nice safe following distance, so he/she had plenty of time to avoid the whole mess.

High speed traffic without the appropriate following distance is just one idiot away from a disaster. Moron does something stupid and there is no room for the other drivers to avoid.

Idiots shouldn't be. But that's never gonna happen.

So when traffic gets more dense, it needs to slow down so the smaller following distances are appropriate for the speed.

edit: Our red truck is 4 seconds behind the burning truck. 3 seconds should be the minimum, but 4 seconds is even better.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:10 AM.

Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.