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classicman 09-08-2011 01:36 PM

What? No vampires in the early 50's?

Pico and ME 09-08-2011 01:41 PM

That decade was reserved for giant mutant ants and killer aliens.

Pete Zicato 09-09-2011 08:43 AM

What if? (from Roger Ebert's Journal)

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/asse...672-39243.jpeg

Griff 09-09-2011 08:54 AM

Nice one Pete.

Undertoad 09-09-2011 09:59 AM

http://cellar.org/2011/germanypower.jpg

German power production percentages.

Spexxvet 09-09-2011 10:13 AM

Where did that come from, UT?

Undertoad 09-09-2011 10:32 AM

http://www.euronuclear.org/info/ency...ow-gen-ger.htm

HungLikeJesus 09-09-2011 11:40 AM

That data is from 2008. In 2010, PV generated about 2% of the total power mix in Germany, and it's still increasing in 2011, though they've reduced the FIT.

Edit: (from: http://www.germanenergyblog.de/?p=5436)

2010* Nuclear 23% Lignite 23% Hard Coal 18% Natural Gas 14% Renewables 17% Heating Oil, Pumped Hydro, Others 5%

* rounded estimate
On the renewable side, wind power provided 6.2%, biomass 4.7%, hydro power 3.2%, photovoltaics 2% and waste power plants 0.8%.

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Here's US generation by source for 2009.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._source_v2.png

classicman 09-09-2011 02:20 PM

Creating solar energy is not the problem. Getting it to where it is needed/consumed is.
Part of the solution could be Gov't spending on the transmission of the energy created, no?

Gravdigr 09-09-2011 03:51 PM

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classicman 09-09-2011 04:22 PM

neat chart, but You could fit about 85.5 Cubas in the US.

HungLikeJesus 09-09-2011 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 755486)
Creating solar energy is not the problem. Getting it to where it is needed/consumed is.
Part of the solution could be Gov't spending on the transmission of the energy created, no?

One of the big benefits of solar is that it's a distributed resource. Solar can be installed on just about every house, apartment building, office building, warehouse, freeway median, parking canopy, etc., which eliminates transmission and distribution issues and costs. It can also provide shading, reducing the need for air conditioning. Plus, it tends to be most productive during the hottest part of the day, further reducing air conditioning loads and reducing strain on the aging grid.

Lamplighter 09-09-2011 06:02 PM

...and there's no fracking with solar

Lamplighter 09-11-2011 02:33 PM

Tax on gas guzzlers
 
I did not know EPA and IRS administer a program to tax gas guzzlers.

In 2010 there were only 2 Ford- and 4 GM-models on the list.
The others seem to be the more expensive (heavy) foreign cars.

At first it made me feel a bit happier to realize the wealthy were paying
for something I don't/won't/can't buy for my family. Then I got to thinking...

Why are these gas-guzzlers getting away with a one-time tax ?
At the worst 12.5 mpg, the $7,700 tax is equivalent to
about 2000 gal of wasted gas to drive 25,000 miles (~ 2 years).

Wouldn't it be more rational if this same tax was applied annually...
half to pay for the wasted gas, and half as a penalty polluting the air around me.

HungLikeJesus 09-11-2011 05:54 PM

Well, there are state and federal taxes on gasoline, so they are paying a penalty for the extra gas they use.

ZenGum 09-11-2011 06:58 PM

I'm a bit late but ...

That graph of German energy has some shenanigans in it.

It shows separate categories for "hard coal" and "lignite".

Lignite is coal. It is also called brown coal or soft coal, as opposed to anthracite/ black coal/ hard coal. It is by far dirtier in terms of CO2 and other pollutants.

IMHO, these two should have been given parallel names (either lignite and anthracite, OR brown coal and black coal) and they should have been adjacent on the pie chart. As it is it hides how much energy Germany really got from coal.

HOWEVER! Post Fukushima, Germany has decided to phase out all nuclear energy, and replace it with solar. They should be there in 10 years. They have also made big reductions in energy use.

footfootfoot 09-11-2011 07:57 PM

Obviously Germany's not in it for the hunting. They've gotten soft when it comes to profits over people.

Lamplighter 09-12-2011 09:18 AM

EPA Green Book air quality 1978 - 2010
 
The EPA Clean Air Act was established in 1974

Non-attainment = failed to mean standard
W = whole county
P = partial county

What happened in 2004 in OH, PA, WV, and many other states ?

HungLikeJesus 09-12-2011 01:21 PM

We've been focused on energy lately, so I thought that this was appropriate. This site shows energy expenditure per capita for 2009 (though without much explanation).

http://energy.gov/maps/2009-energy-expenditure-person

Click on the states to get more details. I would have thought that California would be high, and Texas and Wyoming would be low, but that's not the case. It would be helpful to see a breakdown by end-use.

glatt 09-12-2011 01:57 PM

Well, the biggies for energy use are climate control and transportation, so a rural state, where you have to drive just to get to your mail box, would require more energy use than a city. And a temperate climate like California where you don't need much heating or cooling would be better too. Also, the cost of energy is going to depend on where the energy comes from, and the industry regulations you have in place.

Clodfobble 09-12-2011 08:18 PM

Yeah, when you pack a lot of people into a small space, your rating on that chart gets better. Even in the areas where Texas has a high population, we're still really spread out. We have no viable/widespread public transportation in any of our cities.

Plus, heating is done by gas in most of the country, but cooling is still generally electric, which is less efficient. And we do way more cooling here than we do heating.

footfootfoot 09-13-2011 11:05 AM

Do you use swamp coolers or is it too humid in Texas?

Sundae 09-13-2011 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 755846)
... a temperate climate like California where you don't need much heating or cooling

YMMV!

Clodfobble 09-13-2011 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot
Do you use swamp coolers or is it too humid in Texas?

I have no idea what one of those is, so I'm going to guess it's too humid. It's just giant outdoor fan units, usually 2 of them for any house over about 1700 square feet.

footfootfoot 09-13-2011 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 756099)
I have no idea what one of those is, so I'm going to guess it's too humid. It's just giant outdoor fan units, usually 2 of them for any house over about 1700 square feet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporative_cooler

classicman 09-13-2011 10:19 PM

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This makes the issue pretty obvious...

classicman 09-13-2011 10:20 PM

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There are some "interesting" stats from this link.

glatt 09-14-2011 11:10 AM

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Chesapeake Bay has been having trouble for a long time (decades) with nitrogen rich runoff from farms and suburbs. It causes algea to grow, which kills the fish and shellfish in the Bay. The recent flooding is going to have a huge impact on the Bay. The amount of shit (literally) that has contaminated the Bay this week is remarkable.

Here's a picture from before the flooding. Taken August 23, 2011. Followed by a picture taken yesterday. (Thanks, NASA!)

infinite monkey 09-14-2011 11:14 AM

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Ugh, glatt. That sucks. :(

Here is a VERY interesting graph. Discuss amongst yourselves.

infinite monkey 09-14-2011 11:19 AM

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Since we've been discussing toast I thought this was interesting:

TheMercenary 09-14-2011 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 755087)
The popularity of Zombie movies, vs. the popularity of Vampire movies, in relation to which party is in the White House.

From "6 Mind-Blowing Ways Zombies and Vampires Explain America" at cracked.com

That rocks....

Gravdigr 09-14-2011 04:49 PM

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classicman 09-15-2011 07:19 PM

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classicman 10-02-2011 10:15 PM

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For Plt ...

plthijinx 10-03-2011 06:55 PM

magic smoke! so that's where that comes from!!

glatt 10-03-2011 07:14 PM

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classicman 10-12-2011 10:21 AM

Here are a compilation of charts related to the Occupy movement, but they are more than that.
The link is from Business Insider.

They cover unemployment, CEO pay, underemployment, wages, earnings, income inequality... too many to save and post.

Lamplighter 10-12-2011 10:51 AM

Classic, that link is an extremely well done presentation.
Almost mesmerizing to scroll from one chart to the next.
Hard to believe it wasn't part of something besides/before the OWS.

Now a question, will Merc resist joining the campers in the park ?
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glatt 10-12-2011 10:57 AM

Wow.

infinite monkey 10-12-2011 11:05 AM

I'd like to live in a tent city...somewhere pretty. Tents as far as the eye can see. People helping people. Utopia. Kumbaya and all that. Oh hell, then I remember what happened in Guyana.

I'd like to live on the moon...

classicman 10-12-2011 11:09 AM

I'm still reviewing it. I had to go make more coffee. My brain is still trying to absorb it all. The way they all relate is amazing. I am trying to mentally look at several of them overlapped with the same timeframe.

Gravdigr 10-18-2011 03:59 PM

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Harrumph.

Griff 10-18-2011 08:31 PM

Double Harrumph.

BigV 10-20-2011 01:39 PM

And that my fine friends is the magic of a linear scale. Hell yeah and fucking fuck cancer sideways.

TheMercenary 10-20-2011 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 762977)
Now a question, will Merc resist joining the campers in the park ?
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I plan on being there.... Driving this, hope you can make it.:):

TheMercenary 10-20-2011 06:53 PM

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Let's start with the obvious: Unemployment. Three years after the financial crisis, the unemployment rate is still at the highest level since the Great Depression (except for a brief blip in the early 1980s)
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Jobs are scarce, so many adults have given up looking for them. Thus, a sharp decline in the "participation ratio."

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And it's not like unemployment these days is a quick, painful jolt: A record percentage of unemployed people have been unemployed for longer than 6 months.
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And it's not just construction workers who can't find jobs. The median duration of all unemployment is also near an all-time high.
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That 9% rate, by the way, equates to 14 million Americans—people who want to work but can't find a job.
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And that's just people who meet the strict criteria for "unemployed." Include people working part-time who want to work full-time, plus some people who haven't looked for a job in a while, and unemployment's at 17%
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Put differently, this is the lowest percentage of Americans with jobs since the early 1980s (And the boom prior to that, by the way, was from women entering the workforce).






Brooks: Obama Told Me "Shovel-Ready" Jobs Don't Exist Last Year

classicman 10-20-2011 08:05 PM

no charts & no graphs ...
Post #106=FAIL

BigV 10-20-2011 08:06 PM

you forgot: no interest.

TheMercenary 10-20-2011 08:24 PM

:lol: Yea, Like #107 and #108!

zippyt 10-20-2011 09:52 PM

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I found this intresting

TheMercenary 10-20-2011 10:02 PM

Define Megaregion.


oops, sorry! I didn't post a graph in my question. My bad! Holy shit, what am I to do now? Anywhooo.

TheMercenary 10-20-2011 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 765763)
you forgot: no interest.

No wonder there are so many unemployed....

ZenGum 10-20-2011 10:09 PM

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TheMercenary 10-20-2011 10:27 PM

Thank you! That completely clears it all up!

classicman 10-21-2011 01:42 PM

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Hmmm...

ZenGum 10-21-2011 09:03 PM

Took me a moment to figure out why once a year they make nothing at all. Some kind of cyclical down turn? Weird accounting for tax reasons? Ohhhh, right .... :smack:

I'm off to the idiot sightings thread now. I have something to report. :(

HungLikeJesus 10-22-2011 09:28 AM

You mean in the fifth quarter? That is curious.

Griff 10-22-2011 09:39 AM

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Lamplighter 10-22-2011 10:05 AM

Classic really should check with Merc before posting a graph like that.

A steady rise following the creation of Obamanation ?

ZenGum 10-22-2011 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 766095)
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:lol: touche'


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