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BigV 12-06-2011 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 778134)
Griff just posted an interesting graph showing
daylight hours of light during the year vs latitude.

Does the equator area demonstrate the tilt of the earth towards the sun ?

Check it out...

It does not.

Griff 12-07-2011 05:40 AM

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This is an interesting graph for December 7th.

Pete Zicato 12-07-2011 03:31 PM

Too big and large to bring over, but interesting trivia re: ceo pay vs average worker.

http://www.payscale.com/ceo-income

infinite monkey 12-07-2011 03:39 PM

Wait. What? WHAT? What? What? What? (I've gone off the deep end, get me to Bellevue) WHAT?

101 MILLION DOLLARS? That's like a million per dalmatian.

That. Doesn't. Even. Make. Sense.

:headshake

The freaking .0000000000000000000001%.

HungLikeJesus 12-07-2011 05:13 PM

I'm running for CEO.

infinite monkey 12-13-2011 09:03 AM

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Which college degrees are worth the debt?

http://www.crisp360.com/info/which-c...#ixzz1gHhEH1Xm

Pico and ME 12-13-2011 09:15 AM

Engineering has always been the one major with a good payout. If only I had been good in maths...sigh.

infinite monkey 12-13-2011 09:17 AM

Me to. I done good in English. No money in it, tho. :lol:

Yet my differential aptitude test in HS suggested I be a rocket scientist. Yeah. Right. Is there a job for 'good test taker'?

kerosene 12-13-2011 06:45 PM

That was very enlightening. I wish there was something like this for master's degrees.

HungLikeJesus 12-13-2011 07:23 PM

It seems like every time you get another degree your income goes down.

kerosene 12-13-2011 07:26 PM

I should have never gone past 6th grade, dammit! :D

Lamplighter 12-13-2011 09:00 PM

Please stop now, for a breather.

Higher education (degrees) may be just union cards for some,
but it can be so much more... leading to a life with more interests
and appreciation of things, other than the "job".

OMG, but I hated it when my folks sat around the dinner table,
and bitched about their "jobs". Who said what... What was said back.

My folks encouraged me to go on to college, and then through grad school, and then post-doc.
By then, my HS friends were in jobs, had families, and had "things".

While in college, I was jealous and frustrated. It took several years
to catch up on the $, but I believe my life and my family's life were
so much better due to time in college and university.
And, I enjoyed my career... a lot.

Debt is one thing, but it's not irreversible.
Earning a living is necessary, but it's not sufficient.

Undertoad 12-14-2011 11:40 AM

TXTing while driving: dangerous, but not as dangerous as you'd think

http://cellar.org/2011/crashes1.jpg

http://cellar.org/2011/crashes2.jpg

link

classicman 12-14-2011 11:49 AM

If you add the three red ones together from slide 2 (all cell phone related) it totals up to about 400,000 and the second deadliest cause behind inattention.

Clodfobble 12-14-2011 11:52 AM

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No Driver Present
What does this mean? The car is in motion but no one is behind the wheel?

Pico and ME 12-14-2011 11:58 AM

I don't understand the 'no driver present'.

eda - me too, lol

classicman 12-14-2011 12:07 PM

Just guessing here -
The car was hit by another car while parked?
The car rolled down a hill or was left in gear?
The driver was :doit: in the backseat?

glatt 12-14-2011 12:17 PM

Gotta be a parked car getting hit by something. Our car has been in two accidents and both were no driver present. (Can't avoid the idiots trying to hit you if you aren't in the car.)

Undertoad 12-14-2011 12:19 PM

But no driver present only represents about 210 crashes (n.b. classic, the numbers aren't listed in thousands)

It's gotta be, they left off the e-brake and the car rolled downhill until it hit a moving vehicle.

glatt 12-14-2011 12:25 PM

I call BS on the whole "Not Distracted" category. I assume it's self reporting. Enough said.

Lamplighter 12-14-2011 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 780245)
What does this mean? The car is in motion but no one is behind the wheel?

The "caller" died in the accident ? :rolleyes:

infinite monkey 12-14-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 780259)
I call BS on the whole "Not Distracted" category. I assume it's self reporting. Enough said.

Exactly.

For garsh sakes, people are killing each other out there to get a text out.

Ridiculous.

classicman 12-14-2011 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 780259)
I call BS on the whole "Not Distracted" category. I assume it's self reporting. Enough said.

Yes it was ... They texted their answers in. :eyebrow:

Gravdigr 12-19-2011 05:29 AM

This Just In From The "Yeah, No Shit" Files
 
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India...yeah, no shit.

Undertoad 12-19-2011 04:06 PM

http://cellar.org/2011/North Korea v...orea FIXED.jpg

Sperlock 12-19-2011 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 781249)
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India...yeah, no shit.

Actually, there's probably a lot of it. :rolleyes:

Gravdigr 12-20-2011 12:19 AM

Word.

classicman 12-22-2011 04:29 PM

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For the pilot who rarely posts here anymore ...

classicman 12-27-2011 02:49 PM

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Since the Pres has decided to ask for congress to raise the debt ceiling again, I thought this was fitting.
(note the team in power at the bottom)

infinite monkey 12-27-2011 04:01 PM

One time I drank these crazy fizzy drinks and floated up into the air and I thought I hit the debt ceiling. Turns out it was only the glass ceiling. :lol:

HungLikeJesus 12-27-2011 05:00 PM

I bet you got dressed in the basement after that.

glatt 12-29-2011 09:08 AM

I think it's funny that the Republicans are represented by pink. Not that I care, but because I know they do.

BigV 12-29-2011 04:52 PM

is the house control part of the graphic correct toward the later part of the axis?

glatt 12-30-2011 08:13 AM

looks wrong to me

classicman 01-06-2012 02:54 PM

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Here are a couple interesting, if not frightening from yesterday's MJ show.
This link will take you to their page. I couldn't find the video of the segment on youtube.

ZenGum 01-06-2012 05:24 PM

First graph ... defense, discretionary and other mandatory will flatline for 30 years? :eyebrow: :headshake
It is worth noting that the biggest consistent increase is in health care. In fact, if you spent less on that, it might cut back the social security obligations a bit too. :bolt:

Second graph ... incomprehensible. What is the vertical axis? What was at zero in 2008?

classicman 01-06-2012 09:45 PM

Go to the link ZG ...
The first graph - These are current projections as a % of GDP.
The second graph is employment change from 2008. Based upon employment in 2008. Thats why its at 0.

ZenGum 01-07-2012 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 785742)
Go to the link ZG ...
The first graph - These are current projections as a % of GDP.

I find those projections to be highly implausible.

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The second graph is employment change from 2008. Based upon employment in 2008. Thats why its at 0.
Okay, thanks, that makes some sense, at least.

classicman 01-17-2012 01:44 PM

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Government spending vs Unemployment

classicman 01-17-2012 01:44 PM

oops - from here admittedly biased source, but if the numbers are correct, it is an interesting trend.

HungLikeJesus 01-17-2012 02:13 PM

It would be interesting to see those two parameters plotted against each other.

From the link:
Quote:

Auto sales peaked in 1985 (11 million) and have been declining at a fairly steady rate since 1999. In 2009, Americans bought just 5.4 million passenger cars. As a result, the median age of a registered vehicle in the U.S. is almost 10 years.
Maybe cars have just gotten so much better that they don't need to be replaced every three to five years.

Happy Monkey 01-17-2012 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 788607)
Government spending vs Unemployment

There doesn't appear to be a consistent leader between the two, so I would guess that neither causes the other; they are correllated because they are both related to the strength of the economy in general.

ZenGum 01-17-2012 10:44 PM

Well, rising unemployment can lead to government stimulus packages, which would explain the correlation in 2008-2010. Man, those lines got ugly there, didn't they?

Gravdigr 01-18-2012 10:47 AM

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classicman 01-18-2012 11:26 AM

Can't get the pics out, but a good look at a couple more.
I'm in this BIG EFFIN RED area with a few other dwellars.

27+ weeks 45.9% Gah!

Wall Street Journal

tw 01-18-2012 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 788731)
Well, rising unemployment can lead to government stimulus packages,

When recessions occur, unemployment goes up. A government that continues spending normally also goes up on that chart. A reduced GDP and unchanged government spending appears on that chart as increased government spending.

The chart would have to be deceptive. On that chart, both unemployment and government spending must go up when GDP goes down. Those trends report nothing useful or informative.

ZenGum 01-18-2012 10:50 PM

That, sir, is a Good Point.

xoxoxoBruce 01-19-2012 10:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 788907)
Can't get the pics out, but a good look at a couple more.
I'm in this BIG EFFIN RED area with a few other dwellars.

27+ weeks 45.9% Gah!

Wall Street Journal


classicman 01-19-2012 10:22 PM

tx xob

classicman 01-20-2012 09:49 PM

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classicman 01-20-2012 09:50 PM

What happened in 1980 - Privatization or what?

Lamplighter 01-20-2012 10:07 PM

Ronald Reagan

classicman 01-20-2012 10:10 PM

yeh, I got that much ... and?

Pico and ME 01-20-2012 10:36 PM

Is that when the war on drugs started?

Lamplighter 01-20-2012 10:57 PM

From Classic's graph link in Wikipedia...

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Marijuana constitutes almost half of all drug arrests, and between 1990–2002, marijuana accounted for 82% of the increase in the number of drug arrests . In 2004, approximately 12.7% of state prisoners and 12.4% of Federal prisoners were serving time for a marijuana-related offense.[53]

The practice of imposing longer prison sentences on repeat offenders is common in many countries, but the Three strike laws in the U.S., which mandate 25 year imprisonment and were implemented in many states in the 1990s, is very extreme in comparison with most European countries. During the first 9 years after Nixon coined the expression War on Drugs, statistics show only a minor increase in the total number of imprisoned which implies that some factor other than the declaration of "war" is the primary contributor to the incarceration rate.
Reagan, as Governor of Calif pushed the de-institutionalization of patients with mental illness...
proposing instead they be treated in their local communities with the State providing funds.
The funding never happened.
Then, as President, this de-institutionalization program spread across the nation.

classicman 01-20-2012 10:59 PM

That seems to be a big part of it P&M...
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Much of that surge is the result of public policy, such as the war on drugs and mandatory minimum sentencing. Nearly 1 in 4 of the inmates in federal and state prisons are there because of drug-related offenses, most of them nonviolent.
Narcotic-related arrests

New drug policies have especially affected incarceration rates for women, which have increased at nearly double the rate for men since 1980. Nearly 1 in 3 women in prison today are serving sentences for drug-related crimes.

classicman 01-20-2012 11:01 PM

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A major cause of such high numbers is the length of the prison sentences in the United States. One of the criticisms of the United States system is that it has much longer sentences than any other part of the world. The typical mandatory sentence for a first-time drug offense in federal court is five or ten years, compared to other developed countries around the world where a first time offense would warrant at most 6 months in jail.[16] Mandatory sentencing prohibits judges from using their discretion and forces them to place longer sentences on nonviolent offenses than they normally would do.
bold mine

ZenGum 01-20-2012 11:07 PM

Regarding the politicians who wrote those laws, were they being lobbied by the owners of private prisons, perhaps? :eyebrow:


Minor point - the graph suggests the growth in prison population has slowed since 2000, but the last column is only from 2000 to 2006, but is still drawn as wide as the other ten-year columns. Probably growth has continued at the same rate.

Lamplighter 01-21-2012 12:09 AM

Prisons, Privatization, And Public Values *
Stephen McFarland
Chris McGowan 
Tom O'Toole
Presented to Prof. Mildred Warner 
Privatization and Devolution CRP 612 
December 2002

Introduction to Prison Privatization

Quote:

The movement towards the privatization of corrections in the
United States is a result of the convergence of two factors:
the unprecedented growth of the US prison population since 1970
and the emergence out of the Reagan era of a political environment
favorable to free-market solutions.


Since the first private prison facility was opened in 1984, the industry has grown rapidly;
gross revenues exceeded $1 billion in 1997. This paper will examine the industry's growth
in the US in recent decades, and its current scope. The evidence for and against
claims that private prisons can realize gains in efficiency will be weighed,
and implications of privatization for other public values including safety, justice, and legitimacy will be examined.
<snip>
A note in passing: The GEO Corporation used to be named the "Wackenhut Corrections Corporation"
Sounds a bit like McCain's "Wack-A-Mole" theory of war. :D

Griff 01-21-2012 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 789596)
From Classic's graph link in Wikipedia...



Reagan, as Governor of Calif pushed the de-institutionalization of patients with mental illness...
proposing instead they be treated in their local communities with the State providing funds.
The funding never happened.
Then, as President, this de-institutionalization program spread across the nation.

Not to defend the resultant lack of care, but we cannot gloss over what those institutions were and occasionally still are. Abuse and neglect were rampant the system needed to be bulldozed not tweaked. Even today the institutionalized mentally ill suffer at the hands of insensitive, sometimes abusive, poorly trained staff. My SiL is trying to cleanup one such public facility in NYS. You would not believe how many workers are on administrative leave when they should have been fired and maybe prosecuted. Cuomo is rightfully pissed about it.

Oh and legalize it. You know, if Obama put a legalization plank down, I'd be back on board in a heartbeat. Hell I might even put a election sign by the road.


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