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HungLikeJesus 06-07-2007 11:38 AM

Sheriff calls for guns on campus
 
In a recent editorial, Larimer County (Colorado) Sheriff Jim Alderden wrote, "One of the real tragedies of the situation at Virginia Tech is that misguided administrators created a gun-free zone."

Colorado State University allows students and faculty to carry concealed firearms on campus. Alderden says the last thing universities should do right now is create more gun control.

"When you create an area where law-abiding citizens can't defend themselves, it just creates a greater opportunity for those who are criminally-minded," Alderden said.

You can read the rest of the article here.

Of course, not everyone agrees with this, but I think he makes a good point.

wolf 06-07-2007 01:15 PM

Good for him.

rkzenrage 06-07-2007 01:49 PM

Outstanding!

Flint 06-07-2007 02:00 PM

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Do y'all have your tickets...? To the gun show!

Urbane Guerrilla 06-08-2007 10:28 AM

I've said elsewhere it's a bad idea, this creating hunting preserves for crazies. Glad to see somebody will say the same ex officio or is it ex cathedra?

(Did half my growing up in Larimer County.)

BigV 06-08-2007 05:30 PM

I await the second half with breathless antici

















































pation.

fargon 06-08-2007 05:37 PM

All it would have taken is one trained, armed citizen and it would have been over.

piercehawkeye45 06-08-2007 05:45 PM

It will rarely work like that. Campuses are too big and the risks of putting guns in campuses are too high.

freshnesschronic 06-08-2007 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 352613)
It will rarely work like that. Campuses are too big and the risks of putting guns in campuses are too high.

Sorry Pierce, ol' mate. But we just attend huge campuses like Minnesota and Illinois, our 30, 40k student bodies aren't the norm. Some campuses are smaller than some urban high schools. I know kids going to 1400 or 3000 small private colleges whilst Lane Tech High School in Chicago has nearly 6000 pupils!

rkzenrage 06-08-2007 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45
It will rarely work like that. Campuses are too big and the risks of putting guns in campuses are too high.
How is a campus any different than anywhere else?
What the hell are you talking about?

piercehawkeye45 06-08-2007 07:41 PM

Ok, maybe I was leaning more towards bigger campuses for that argument.

What sums my argument up is, the good of putting guns on campuses will not outweigh the bad. The chances of a shooting on campus occurring is one in a million and then the chances of actually being able to stop it is another one in a million. The chances of some fucking prick getting a gun, getting drunk, and using it to show off or intimidate others is much higher. I'm not saying that will happen a lot but the chances are much greater than actually stopping a school shooting for various reasons. And, as I've said many times, campuses do a lot for protection so you do not need one if you use the resources they provide you.

TheMercenary 06-08-2007 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 352659)
And, as I've said many times, campuses do a lot for protection so you do not need one if you use the resources they provide you.

It really depends on where you go to school. Some schools have better resources than others. We have a school down here that is basically imbedded with the city of Savannah, it is called SCAD. They have clusters of buildings that are owned by the school but they are all over the city. There is a LOT of crime here. The SCAD cops don't even carry guns. They have to depend on the local cops, who have their hands full already to take care of the kids. It does not work very well. We already have CCW permits for state residents but the majority of these kids are from all around the states.

rkzenrage 06-08-2007 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 352659)
Ok, maybe I was leaning more towards bigger campuses for that argument.

What sums my argument up is, the good of putting guns on campuses will not outweigh the bad. The chances of a shooting on campus occurring is one in a million and then the chances of actually being able to stop it is another one in a million. The chances of some fucking prick getting a gun, getting drunk, and using it to show off or intimidate others is much higher. I'm not saying that will happen a lot but the chances are much greater than actually stopping a school shooting for various reasons. And, as I've said many times, campuses do a lot for protection so you do not need one if you use the resources they provide you.

None of that addresses that fact that owning and carrying a weapon is an adult's right & responsibility.
Being on a campus means nothing.

piercehawkeye45 06-08-2007 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 352697)
It really depends on where you go to school. Some schools have better resources than others. We have a school down here that is basically imbedded with the city of Savannah, it is called SCAD. They have clusters of buildings that are owned by the school but they are all over the city. There is a LOT of crime here. The SCAD cops don't even carry guns. They have to depend on the local cops, who have their hands full already to take care of the kids. It does not work very well. We already have CCW permits for state residents but the majority of these kids are from all around the states.

Good point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkzenrage
None of that addresses that fact that owning and carrying a weapon is an adult's right & responsibility.
Being on a campus means nothing.

A campus is much different from the surrounding areas. It is much safer......er....usually (thank you Merc) much safer and usually more patrolled. There will always be violent crimes with or without guns and I think a lot of universities, especially mine, has done a great job of keeping the students safe without the need to carry a gun for protection.

The time I can think of supporting guns on campus is if the students vote to allow guns be on that campus, if there is no vote or the vote loses, then guns should stay banned. That is the only fair and safe way I see campuses and gun control working out.

rkzenrage 06-08-2007 09:43 PM

It is not up to others to say what a free person needs.


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