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Gravdigr 12-18-2019 03:21 PM

Do their tongues hang out when flying?

xoxoxoBruce 12-18-2019 11:14 PM

They'd have to spin with the prop then you'd need windshield wipers.

xoxoxoBruce 12-22-2019 09:45 PM

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ac130 they've been building since 1954... no not this one. :p:

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Before Sikorsky came over from the dark side...

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Carruthers 12-29-2019 09:46 AM

I have a feeling that I have already posted this but it's worth another look.

Those of a sensitive disposition might be offended by the use of strong language.

The rest of us will just have a good laugh. ;)


sexobon 12-29-2019 10:14 AM

Here.

Just as good the second time around.

Someone should make an animated GIF out of that.

Carruthers 12-29-2019 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1043748)
Here.

Just as good the second time around.

Someone should make an animated GIF out of that.

Ta! :thumb:

xoxoxoBruce 01-12-2020 09:21 AM

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Smart Ruskie, don't need a hangar when you're a Ninja Turtle...

Diaphone Jim 01-12-2020 11:18 AM

Went over like a lead balloon.

xoxoxoBruce 01-13-2020 12:19 AM

At least a corrugated sheet steel balloon. :haha:

Gravdigr 01-14-2020 06:41 PM

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Move along folks, nothing to see here...

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...just a sleepy-eyed, flying whale with an underbite, move along.









Whale of a plane though.

xoxoxoBruce 01-14-2020 10:11 PM

Empty weight: 127,500 kg (281,089 lb)
Capacity: 50,500 kg (111,333 lb) payload
Max takeoff weight: 227,000 kg (500,449 lb)

sexobon 01-14-2020 10:38 PM

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Maybe it eats those Spirit Airlines flying bananas.

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Carruthers 01-15-2020 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 1044683)
Move along folks, nothing to see here...


...just a sleepy-eyed, flying whale with an underbite, move along.


Whale of a plane though.

I've occasionally seen one of these monsters but only at great altitude when trailing.

They fly between the Airbus factory near Chester, where wings are manufactured and, I believe, the assembly plant in Toulouse.

If I've managed to be looking at FR24 at the right time I've nipped outside to see for myself but, despite their size and even with the aid of a good pair of binoculars, you don't see much when they are five or six miles up!

Diaphone Jim 01-24-2020 02:55 PM

I'm never quite sure how to introduce a new topic, but I spent some time this morning looking for information on the C130 fire tanker that crashed in Australia a few days ago.
A couple of overviews with imbedded vids:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-...cooma/11894892

https://fireaviation.com/tag/t-134/

There is some duplication but it is a very interesting and tragic story.

One thing I couldn't find is how they got the fairly short range 130 to Australia.
This details the fatal flight:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N134CG/history

but not the transpacific trip. If anyone is a member, the info is available and I would like to learn it.

They can refuel in flight and it is always exciting to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu3KCyTth0o

They might have hopped around the northern Pacific, but that seems to be tough even for modified jet tankers.

xoxoxoBruce 01-24-2020 11:42 PM

Maybe they filled the retardent & water tanks with fuel and ran a hose to the fuel tank. Or set it on one of those empty container ships returning to China. ;)

xoxoxoBruce 02-01-2020 08:59 AM

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Send the AWACS out to choose who we'll kill tomorrow.

xoxoxoBruce 02-03-2020 10:58 PM

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This family was 5 miles from Aspen, CO when the instruments went crazy and it appeared the engine would quit.
He had to make a split second decision and chose to pull the chute on the Cirrus airplane while he was still
high enough for it to work. The plane ended up in waist deep snow with the chute snagged on a tree which kept
then from sliding down the slope. No one hurt and rescued by the next day as rescue crews snowshoed in.
Took them 3 hours to shoeshoe out.

The plane and chute system from Cirrus Aircraft, Duluth, MN.
Parent organization: Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC)

Clodfobble 02-04-2020 07:28 AM

Wow--I've never seen a parachute on a plane, before. I guess it does make more sense than properly training everyone who gets on how to use a personal chute.

xoxoxoBruce 02-04-2020 08:10 AM

It was first certified in a Cessna in 1998.
Quote:

As of 18 December 2018, CAPS has been activated 98 times, 83 of which saw successful parachute deployment. In those successful deployments, there were 170 survivors and 1 fatality. No fatalities have occurred when the parachute was deployed within the certified speed and altitude parameters, and only one anomalous unsuccessful deployment has ever occurred within those parameters. Some additional deployments have been reported by accident, as caused by ground impact or post-impact fires, and 19 of the aircraft involved in CAPS deployments have been repaired and put back into service.[20]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus...rachute_System

Carruthers 02-17-2020 04:32 AM

Taken during Storm Dennis, Saturday last...



Foreshortening of distance due to telephoto lense effect and camera angle probably conspire to make this look worse than it was.

That said it was 'interesting'. :eek:

xoxoxoBruce 02-17-2020 09:44 AM

That's what happens in strong winds, the trick is keeping the wings level. If the wings don't touch first it should be OK even at obscene angles of approach. It helps that the passengers can't see out the windshield. ;)

Carruthers 02-17-2020 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1046741)
That's what happens in strong winds, the trick is keeping the wings level. If the wings don't touch first it should be OK even at obscene angles of approach. It helps that the passengers can't see out the windshield. ;)

I believe that the C-5 Galaxy landing gear aligns itself with the extended centre line of the runway so even if the aircraft is crabbing down the approach the wheels will still point in the right direction, within certain limits, no doubt.
I stand to be corrected but I think that the B-52 has a similar capability.

My own attempts at crosswind landings were rarely a thing of beauty.
Being a cautious soul I tended to kick off the drift too early, but on days when I wasn't I'd kick it off too late.
Occasionally I got it right but it tended to be more by good luck than good management. :eek:

Diaphone Jim 02-17-2020 11:26 AM

That put some strain on the gear and wear on the tires!
I saw a Dennis landing yesterday with incredible wing flexing.

xoxoxoBruce 02-17-2020 11:47 PM

I wasn't aware the B-52 could do that so I checked and it can, 20 degrees left or right. Then checked to see how far a C-5 could turn and it was also 20 degrees.
But I found on airlinersdotnet a discussion claiming The C-5A had this feature, the C-5B did not, then it was removed from all the C-5As. The reasons given were maintenance issues, complexity and improved landing techniques. Sounds like military bullshit to me.

Carruthers 02-18-2020 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1046759)
I wasn't aware the B-52 could do that so I checked and it can, 20 degrees left or right. Then checked to see how far a C-5 could turn and it was also 20 degrees.
But I found on airlinersdotnet a discussion claiming The C-5A had this feature, the C-5B did not, then it was removed from all the C-5As. The reasons given were maintenance issues, complexity and improved landing techniques. Sounds like military bullshit to me.

That probably means that they just lowered the crosswind landing limits. :rolleyes:

xoxoxoBruce 02-18-2020 09:09 AM

Yeah, the cross wind is too strong so just keep flying around until you run out of fuel and crash into the children's hospital, grammar school, and SPCA. :haha:

Gravdigr 02-19-2020 08:50 AM

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...until you run out of fuel and crash into the children's hospital...

Well, the ambulance will get there quicker...

Diaphone Jim 02-19-2020 11:30 AM

Where there is enough room, crossed runways partially solve crosswind problems.

xoxoxoBruce 02-19-2020 01:38 PM

Right, most of international/commercial airports have runways in two orientations. Some even have three where, like you said, they have room, and the winds are capricious.

xoxoxoBruce 02-21-2020 12:21 AM

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An image search gives me, "Handley Page HP42 Western, G-AAXC, named 'Heracles', owned by Imperial Airways, at Croydon Airport near London in 1936."

Carruthers 02-21-2020 09:34 AM

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A while back I posted a 'colourised' B&W print of another Imperial Airways HP42 on a refuelling stop in Jordan in 1931.

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I knew that Croydon airport ceased to exist decades ago and had largely disappeared under suburban concrete, but what I didn't know was that the airport buildings are still there in the middle of an industrial estate.

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Street View Link

Griff 02-21-2020 11:04 AM

That's pretty neat.

We have a lot of closed airfields in the US but I think they tend to be way out in the boonies where re-purposing is hit or miss.

Gravdigr 02-24-2020 11:33 AM

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For sale: one slightly used A-10 Thunderbolt II:

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Previously owned by a li'l ol' lady from Pasadena...

BigV 02-24-2020 03:01 PM

that'll buff right out

xoxoxoBruce 03-19-2020 11:41 PM

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Pan Am Clipper landing in San Francisco Bay after it's first round trip to Hawaii.

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And a Stewart M-2

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BigV 03-20-2020 12:09 AM

At the local Habitat for Humanity, they take donations and sell them. Today I drove by and saw a pair of airplane wing frames stacked outside.


WEIRD.

xoxoxoBruce 03-20-2020 07:35 AM

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WTF is this? Looks like it lit a fart.

Griff 03-20-2020 07:39 AM

A good way to get killed?

Diaphone Jim 03-20-2020 11:51 AM

Probably a security violation just to look at it.

BigV 03-20-2020 01:25 PM

a work in progress

Carruthers 03-21-2020 05:26 AM

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WTF is this? Looks like it lit a fart.

I think it might be a MiG 15 exhibited at Air Zoo Aerospace & Science Museum, Kalamazoo, MI.

It appears to have been operated under the civil registration of N621BM at one point.

Admittedly the engine looks a little long vis-a-vis the fuselage but it may be an illusion.

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xoxoxoBruce 03-21-2020 08:26 AM

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Could be the MIG but the wings look different. The end shape could be angle of the photograph but the struts coming over the top of the wing look different.:confused:

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Looking at both I think you're right about being a MIG, maybe a different one.

Carruthers 03-21-2020 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1048965)
Could be the MIG but the wings look different. The end shape could be angle of the photograph but the struts coming over the top of the wing look different.:confused:

Two things sent me in the MiG direction.
One was the old Soviet red star marking outboard of the wing fence, and the second was the fences themselves.
Also, note the antenna by the rear of the cockpit blister at an angle to the fuselage top line; it's the same in both pictures.
Admittedly I'm not 100% sure, but find myself firmly in the 'it'll do for the minute' category.

xoxoxoBruce 03-21-2020 08:45 AM

Aha fences, I didn't know what they're called. Makes perfect sense, thank you. :smack:

Diaphone Jim 03-21-2020 11:58 AM

I'm not seeing much resemblance between the top airplane and ol' 1621.
Wing angles and their sculptured top surfaces (fences) are different as are the overall proportions.
That huge engine wouldn't fit I think.
Looking forward to more discussion.

Carruthers 03-21-2020 05:16 PM

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Gentlemen, I think that we may be looking at a MiG 17.

What I hadn't noticed is that there are three fences on the wing of the aircraft in the initial photo, the one nearest the fuselage not being particularly conspicuous.

Also the outboard fence stops, not unreasonably, at the aileron.

Shown quite well here:

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And as far as that engine is concerned:

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Apologies for brevity but it's past my bedtime. :blush:

Quick PS: Bruce, see the caption to the first photo in the second link.

xoxoxoBruce 03-21-2020 11:41 PM

By jove I think you have. Mig 17 it is. :notworthy

No need to upset your circadian rhythm over this stuff. ;)

Carruthers 03-21-2020 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1049037)
By jove I think you have. Mig 17 it is. :notworthy

No need to upset your circadian rhythm over this stuff. ;)

Circadian rhythm long since shot to bits!

It's 0445... what on Earth am I doing here?

xoxoxoBruce 03-24-2020 02:14 AM

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Drive your car to Crydon and it becomes carry-on....

xoxoxoBruce 04-01-2020 09:36 AM

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First plane with cat tracks...

xoxoxoBruce 04-02-2020 01:33 AM

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Fly Howard, fly...

Diaphone Jim 04-02-2020 10:56 AM

Beautiful and historic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:H...elageUnder.JPG

'individually machined flush rivets that left the aluminium skin of the aircraft completely smooth."

Griff 04-02-2020 11:32 AM

Dead sexy.

BigV 04-02-2020 02:16 PM

yeah, but what about the plane Griff?

Griff 04-02-2020 02:17 PM

Howard is at least dead.

xoxoxoBruce 04-04-2020 11:25 AM

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Maybe, but Howard was pretty sneaky. :unsure:

This looks like a big family...

Diaphone Jim 04-04-2020 07:19 PM

Speaking of Howard Hughes, I found this while mindlessly internet surfing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Hj_KcE7_M

Just one of Kermit Weeks' 140 airplanes.

xoxoxoBruce 04-05-2020 12:36 AM

Like owning a horse not allowed out of its stall. Damn shame. :(

xoxoxoBruce 04-05-2020 05:01 AM

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European traffic is down...

Carruthers 04-05-2020 05:15 AM

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And that's about all I've seen this morning.

Just passing north of Oxford as I type.


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