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Mad Professor 04-02-2009 04:36 PM

Un-American
 
I realise most dwellars are from the US, so thought I'd put this one out.

Does the phrase "Un-American" still have any currency in the States, and if so what does it mean to you? Here in the UK we have become progressively more ethnically and culturally diverse, such that we are now having debates about what it is to be British, and we're having something of a national identity crisis. But we have never as far as I know used terms like "Un-British". Do many people in the States hold a strong sense of national identity/pride, or hold a set of principles which would lead to calling someone or something "Un-American" for whatever reason?

limey 04-02-2009 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Professor (Post 552370)
...we are now having debates about what it is to be British, and we're having something of a national identity crisis. But we have never as far as I know used terms like "Un-British"....

No we say "that's just not cricket" instead!

Pie 04-02-2009 04:44 PM

I think it's a badge of pride.
I'd rather be called "unamerican" than "a great american" or some such twaddle.

Beestie 04-02-2009 04:44 PM

It used to mean something bad about the person it was directed to.

Now, it often means something bad about the person who says it.

Mad Professor 04-02-2009 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by limey (Post 552372)
No we say "that's just not cricket" instead!

what, even in Scotland? ;)

Beest 04-03-2009 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mad Professor (Post 552377)
what, even in Scotland? ;)

only with more 'hoots!' and 'Jimmys!"

Flint 04-03-2009 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Beestie (Post 552375)
It used to mean something bad about the person it was directed to.

Now, it often means something bad about the person who says it.

Bravo.

Once on Audiogalaxy, someone said that Bill Maher was un-American (at the time there was a controversy over some 9/11 comments he made, which I believe eventually got him fired) and anyway I told the guy it was un-American to call someone un-American, after which ensued a vicious debate for the next three days over whether I was allowed to call him un-American at the same time I was objecting to the use of the term un-American. I got the guy so mad he was posting in all caps. I think his head eventually exploded.

Shawnee123 04-03-2009 11:41 AM

LMAO. Exploding other's heads is definitely un-American.

Pie 04-03-2009 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 552557)
LMAO. Exploding other's heads is definitely un-American.

Au contraire, it's in our best rhetorical tradition!

limey 04-03-2009 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Professor (Post 552377)
what, even in Scotland? ;)

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Originally Posted by Beest (Post 552550)
only with more 'hoots!' and 'Jimmys!"

Limey - English and living in Scotland since 2001 (and 1988-94) ... :D

Yznhymr 04-03-2009 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie (Post 552375)
It used to mean something bad about the person it was directed to.

Now, it often means something bad about the person who says it.

Agreed! But it's still cool to "Buy American."

P.S. This is my first posting using a handheld device. Cumbersome, but helps when I need my Cellar-fix away from the PC.

xoxoxoBruce 04-04-2009 03:00 PM

And just what are you doing with that other hand? :eyebrow:

Wait, I don't think I want to know... aw, yeah I do. :blush:

skysidhe 04-04-2009 03:13 PM

To me saying unamerican means anti America or against America. To feel like one want's go live in another country like I do sometimes doesn't mean unamerican it just means I want a different lifestyle.

TGRR 04-04-2009 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Professor (Post 552370)
Does the phrase "Un-American" still have any currency in the States, and if so what does it mean to you?

It represents the fact that, while we LEGALLY have freedom of speech, we will use peer pressure and market forces to squelch it entirely.

Flint 04-04-2009 10:31 PM

That's so dead-on.


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