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Flint 06-15-2007 10:36 AM

You Can't Prove You Exist
 
You can't prove to me that you exist. Don't even bother, it's impossible.

Beestie 06-15-2007 10:41 AM

You can't prove I don't.

Flint 06-15-2007 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beestie (Post 355383)
You can't prove I don't.

It's generally assumed that you do. I'm questioning that assumption, not commenting on the chances that the opposite is true.

glatt 06-15-2007 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 355380)
Don't even bother

OK

Flint 06-15-2007 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint
Don't even bother

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt
OK

By acknowledging your attempt not to bother, you implicitly legitimze your subconscious desire to bother.

Rexmons 06-15-2007 10:53 AM

Quote:

An eccentric philosophy professor gave a one question final
exam after an entire semester dealing with a broad array of
topics.

The class was already seated and ready to go when the
professor picked up his chair, plopped it on his desk and
wrote on the board: "Using everything we have learned this
semester, prove that this chair does not exist."

Fingers flew, erasers erased, notebooks were filled in furious
fashion. Some students wrote over 30 pages in one hour
attempting to refute the existence of the chair.

One member of the class however, was up and finished in
less than a minute.

Weeks later when the grades were posted, the rest of the
group wondered how he could have gotten an A when he had
barely written anything at all.

They found his answer consisted of two words: "What chair?"

glatt 06-15-2007 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 355392)
By acknowledging your attempt not to bother, you implicitly legitimze your subconscious desire to bother.

You said "don't even bother" not "don't want to bother." Part of me wants to bother, but I see the futility, so I won't bother.

Oh, and who's words are you reading right now?

Shit! I attempted to convince you I exist. Damnit!

Spexxvet 06-15-2007 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 355380)
You can't prove to me that you exist. Don't even bother, it's impossible.

To whom are you addressing this?

Happy Monkey 06-15-2007 11:02 AM

I can prove I exist, but only to myself, not to you.

In fact, it is the only provable thing there is.

Flint 06-15-2007 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 355407)
To whom are you addressing this?

Well, I'm the only one present. If my boss walks in, this window goes away.

BigV 06-15-2007 11:03 AM

And yet you keep talking to me.

You keep creating those threads.

You keep listening for me to reply.

Your refusal to accept the proof does not negate the proof.









Besides, I don't exist. How's that possible?

Flint 06-15-2007 11:07 AM

I am neither talking nor listening.

Beestie 06-15-2007 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 355409)
I can prove I exist, but only to myself, not to you.

In fact, it is the only provable thing there is.

I wrote and erased a reply saying basically that proof itself is delusion. You seem to feel otherwise. How does one go about proving one's own existance.

Flint 06-15-2007 11:14 AM

Does proof require a concrete statement of the conditions that are to be met, therefore a total knowledge of the subject under consideration, therefore an impossible omniscience; in other words, is proof impossible? If we attempt proof of a limited data set, do we ignore the interrelationships it has with it's surroundings?

Happy Monkey 06-15-2007 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beestie (Post 355417)
I wrote and erased a reply saying basically that proof itself is delusion. You seem to feel otherwise. How does one go about proving one's own existance.

If existance is a delusion, then I am the deluded thing.


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