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Flint 08-15-2008 09:06 AM

Do you trust Diebold to elect our President?
 
Have we really got the glitches worked out of this electronic voting thing?
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Thursday, August 07, 2008

DAYTON — Four area county boards of elections are parties to a breach-of-contract lawsuit counterclaim filed by the Ohio Secretary of State on Wednesday, Aug. 6, against the maker of touch-screen electronic voting machines.
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All four local counties found Premier's tabulation software failed to upload votes from memory cards, while equipment indicated the votes had been counted.
The best part:
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Premier spokesman Chris Riggall had not seen the counterclaim and declined comment on it. But he blamed the vote tabulation problems on McAfee anti-virus software on computer servers.
Which brings me to this analysis of the situation: You're doing it wrong!

BigV 08-15-2008 10:11 AM

B -- That is funny as hell.

A -- The myriad ways for this to go wrong are *uncountable* (rimshot). Why the obdurate resistance to a PAPER TRAIL is ... beyond my comprehension. We trust ATMs to conduct a transaction (with a small number of errors per many transactions), but the receipt at the end is our (depositor/voter) assurance that the machine did what we want. Why can't I get a receipt of my voting record? Hmm?

lookout123 08-15-2008 10:18 AM

sometimes i trust faulty machinery more than The People, so...

Griff 08-15-2008 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 476381)
sometimes i trust faulty machinery more than The People, so...

That appears to be the GOP's plan.

regular.joe 08-15-2008 02:04 PM

The electoral college is using these machines? I think they still have to deliver their votes to congress in sealed envelopes.

BigV 08-15-2008 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by regular.joe (Post 476416)
The electoral college is using these machines? I think they still have to deliver their votes to congress in sealed envelopes.

Of course not.

This erosion of confidence is much further upstream. But you knew that.

TheMercenary 08-16-2008 09:22 AM

This is for all you sore losers who felt the Diebold or some other shadowy organization threw the presidential elections.
http://thejiveman.files.wordpress.co...infoil-hat.jpg

Elspode 08-16-2008 09:44 PM

I trust Diebold to do what any good American business would do, and that is to make sure that whoever comes up with the most money wins.

Happy Monkey 08-17-2008 07:38 PM

Dieboldhttp://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/voting_machines.png

BigV 08-21-2008 12:19 PM

Bwaahahahahahahahaha!

States rush to dump touchscreen voting machines

...The makers of the machines have offered to buy back the $5000 machines for $1 each... hahahahahahah
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Last year, Ohio produced a 1,000-page report cataloging a host of problems with the state's voting machines. Since then, a glitch blamed on conflicts with anti-virus software initially caused hundred of votes to be dropped as they were uploaded to tallying servers.
Sooo funny! They even quote the same comic as HM.. brilliant.

Elspode 08-21-2008 07:04 PM

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Since then, a glitch blamed on conflicts with anti-virus software initially caused hundred of votes to be dropped as they were uploaded to tallying servers.
Typical. Here McAfee was doing its job, dumping votes for the wrong candidates, and everybody gets upset.

richlevy 08-21-2008 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 477419)
Bwaahahahahahahahaha!

States rush to dump touchscreen voting machines

...The makers of the machines have offered to buy back the $5000 machines for $1 each... hahahahahahah


Sooo funny! They even quote the same comic as HM.. brilliant.

I love this part.

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Of course, finding a buyer for thousands of bulky machines that have been judged buggy and insecure may not be so easy. AP reports that some states have resorted to peddling the devices on sites like eBay or Craigslist, while others are hoping to unload them on developing nations.
Maybe the one thing we got right in Iraq was purple fingers and paper ballots.

Crimson Ghost 08-21-2008 09:27 PM

Do I trust Diebold to elect our President?

I don't trust our President to sit the right way on the toilet.

smoothmoniker 08-25-2008 01:08 PM

What would make you trust electronic voting? Paper receipts? Open source code?

Serious question. This seems to be the inevitable progression of voting technology, we should start figuring out what parameters we want to insist on for the boxes that do the counting.

Paper receipts don't inspire much confidence in me. Maybe because I doubt that enough people would hang on to them to make it useful in case of glitches (intended or otherwise).

Open source code would make me much, much more confident. Open up the machines to the millions of knowledgeable eyes that gave us linux & such, and let them sift it with a fine-toothed comb. The bad people already know how the make the machines do bad things. Open source accountability will force the people in charge to fix the problems.

It's the modern equivalent of having Jimmy Carter sit over your shoulder while you count ballots.

Clodfobble 08-25-2008 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker
Paper receipts don't inspire much confidence in me. Maybe because I doubt that enough people would hang on to them to make it useful in case of glitches (intended or otherwise).

I was always under the impression that paper receipts would be put into a box at the polling station, just like standard paper ballots, to be brought out and counted only if there was a dispute.


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