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tw 10-28-2008 12:38 AM

Iraq is nearly over. BTW we won?
 
If the surge was working, then an American created civil war has ending. But if a mental midget even denies what is on the battlefield, then victory is impossible. “Mission Accomplished” was never against Al Qaeda. “Mission Accomplished” is what happens when your leaders are so simplistic dumb as to not even do Phase Four planning. Then make things even worse by disbanding the army and police.

Iraq is a nation divided in three and ripe for civil war. All sides are quietly assembling arms. Two factions – Shiites and Sunnis – want Americans out now. Third faction – Kurds – desperately need Americans to stay forever to protect them. The surge has never created a political settlement - never achieved a strategic objective. It may have only delayed a civil war that America created (by being George Jr dumb).

Smart Americans repeatedly cite one location where a new civil war might start – Mosul. From the NY Times of 28 Oct 2008:
Quote:

Fractures in Iraq City as Kurds and Baghdad Vie
American commanders are increasingly concerned that Mosul could degenerate into a larger battleground over the fragile Iraqi state itself. …
The Shiite-led government of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki is squeezing out Kurdish units of the Iraqi Army from Mosul, sending the national police and army from Baghdad and trying to forge alliances with Sunni Arab hard-liners in the province, who have deep-seated feuds with the Kurdistan Regional Government led by Massoud Barzani.
The Kurds are resisting, underscoring yet again the depth of ethnic and sectarian divisions here and the difficulty of creating a united Iraq even when overall violence is down. Tension has risen to the point that last week American commanders held a series of emergency meetings with the Iraqi government and Kurdish officials, seeking to head off violence essentially between factions of the Iraqi government. …
Worry is so high that the American military has already settled on a policy that may set a precedent, as the United States slowly withdraws to allow Iraqis to settle their own problems. If the Kurds and Iraqi government forces fight, the American military will “step aside,” General Thomas said, rather than “have United States servicemen get killed trying to play peacemaker.”
We created it. Now we must let them murder each other, do nothing, and yes – be blamed for these deaths. Time to be smart was when wackos in 2002 were using ‘big dic’ reasoning to cause those deaths. Maybe next time a dumb extremist American president does this again in 30 years, you will remember basic concepts that define when war is justified - as written by a Chinaman 600 years before Christ.

Hopefully, someone in Iraq will rise up to save Iraq from what we have created. Hopefully he will not be another Saddam. History implies otherwise. Meanwhile, we must admit what we have done – wasted $1trillion and so many American soldier lives to convert Iraq into a friend of Iran.

New American policy? Let them slaughter each other.

Urbane Guerrilla 10-28-2008 09:47 PM

I'm betting you will be proven wrong on each and every single point, tw. So far, that's what the record shows -- that you're the crazyman, and that things always work out more favorably than you'd like for America and for the aggresssive antitotalitarian strategy you disapprove of so strongly.

Irrational prejudices have a way of biting you.


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