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Aliantha 01-29-2009 01:39 AM

Dead mother incubator
 
You may be familiar with this story where a husband asked hospital staff to keep his brain dead wife on life support for two days in order to give their baby a high chance of survival.

Quote:

Two days after Jayne Soliman was declared brain-dead, her grieving husband saw her life-support machine turned off.

In a moment of unbelievable poignancy, he was then given their baby daughter to hold for the first time.

Doctors had kept 41-year-old Mrs Soliman's heart beating after she suffered a brain haemorrhage.

For 48 hours they pumped large doses of steroids into her body to help the baby's lungs develop.
I find it interesting that some people are against this decision by the husband and the hospital. More so because Dazza and I had a discussion about this very same topic quite a few months ago after I had a very near miss while driving. It was my very express wish that he keep me on life support until our baby could be born safely.

What do you think?

Kingswood 01-29-2009 04:53 AM

They did the right thing, IMO. Give the baby a fighting chance.

ZenGum 01-29-2009 05:48 AM

It would seem pointless not to. And it makes for an AWESOME band name. Dibs!

Pie 01-29-2009 09:03 AM

What would the mother have wanted? That's the only question that needs to be answered. Most mothers-to-be would rather do whatever they could to give their baby a better chance. Dad should know.

TheMercenary 01-29-2009 12:47 PM

Smart and logical choice by the family and hospital. In this country they probably would not have even given the father a choice.

Juniper 01-29-2009 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pie (Post 527969)
What would the mother have wanted? That's the only question that needs to be answered. Most mothers-to-be would rather do whatever they could to give their baby a better chance. Dad should know.

I think the father's wishes are important too. After all, the baby belongs just as much to him.

Pie 01-29-2009 01:07 PM

...And he would have chosen differently, why? :confused:

dmg1969 01-29-2009 01:10 PM

I couldn't see making a decision other than the one he made. Losing his wife would be bad enough. Why let the baby die too?

wolf 01-29-2009 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juniper (Post 528062)
I think the father's wishes are important too. After all, the baby belongs just as much to him.

Do you feel the same way if the life of the baby is to be ended?

Just asking because I'm genuinely curious as to how people approach this.

Cicero 01-29-2009 01:30 PM

See? I knew it would take a couple of posts for this to come up. lol
;)

wolf 01-29-2009 01:50 PM

Yeah. I hate being the one to have done it, but it followed naturally.

You expect a guy to shell out cash for it, he should have a say in all the other decisions.

Juniper 01-29-2009 01:51 PM

No, I don't mean he would have chosen differently. I mean, if people are against keeping her alive and think he made the wrong choice to prolong her life, why is "she would have wanted this" the only thing that matters? Why isn't it just as valid for the dad to say "I don't care what my wife would've wanted - I want that baby to live."

As far as ending the baby's life, actually, I don't think it's up to either of them. IMO if it is possible for the baby to survive by keeping the mother on life support, it would be unethical for anyone to choose otherwise. When you conceive, you are an incubator. Your body belongs just as much to the baby as to yourself. But then, I'm staunchly pro-life so I guess I'll get flamed now.

If he doesn't want the baby now that mom's dead, I'm sure there are many loving couples who would want to adopt a newborn. It's the older ones that are hard to place.

My original point, though, was para #1. I get weary of father's rights being disregarded.

But it doesn't matter. I'm just a dumb ass anyway.

Sundae 01-29-2009 02:07 PM

I would be very much against an abortion of a healthy viable foetus with a father ready to take in and take care of the child once it is born.

In that case, yes I would expect the mother to wait an extra two days in order for medical facilities to be available.

Do I think men have a right to insist their sexual partner carries an embryo to term if she has no wish to be a mother? No. I am an atheist, I have no belief in souls, I do not call a foetus a baby. If a man has a strong desire to be a father there are plenty of women in the world happy to comply with him. If he knocks up someone with the same views as me, perhaps he should have got to know his partner before having intercourse. I have always taken preventative measures, but do not feel having an unwanted child is acceptable if they fail.

The contraceptive pill is technically abortion. I took it for 10 years, no doubt aborting many clusters of cells. I've also taken the morning after pill more than once, potentially killing even more. I've been aware at every stage of what I am doing and how. At least that way if I burn in Hell I won't spend an eternity boring my neighbours with, "But I didn't know.....!"

I accept there are some (few) reasons why a viable foetus might be aborted. But as far as I am aware, the mother changing her mind is not one of them.

Cicero 01-29-2009 02:11 PM

Murderer!!

Just kidding. lol!!


I wonder how much cash a uterus and fetus go for these days........hmmmm? I think I would charge steeper prices than what would be affordable.

Sundae 01-29-2009 02:16 PM

I tried to donate eggs.
FAIL.

But at least I tried.


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