A New World Order
 

Which of these hasn't already happened?

8)all under the supervision of the world body.

Even if Obama supports the final version of this new accord (and he hasnt yet), it's passage in Congress is highly unlikely.

Like the Kyoto accord, US probably wont sign it.

Thank God. But it is only a matter of time.

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In your delusional dreams. :tinfoil:

I've used up my outrage quota for this year.

Well, hang on... I'll give it one more try...

Grrr

Yep, all out.

Well, I for one really think we need to get this under control, and the United States is the worst offender.

I know President Obama is getting a lot of flak for the cap and trade part of the budget. Energy companies have come out and said they will pass any fines onto their customers. Now, is it RIGHT for a company to have their customers pay for fines they get for practicing bad business? I think NOT. IF it passes, and I have a feeling that part might not, but IF it does, it should be written in that energy plants have to eat that, and CANNOT pass it on to their customers. After all, they have been fighting this for years.

orly?

It wouldn't be if you'd eating that broccoli. :fart:

I think cap and trade is a fantasy system trading on nothingness. Just like the BS of "carbon footprint".

orly!

The US is number one in the world in anthropogenic CO2 emissions...unless China has passed us in the last year.

Cap and trade worked pretty well in the US for reducing sulphur dioxide and nitrous oxide emissions as part of the phase-out of leaded gas and CFCs.

IMO, for CO2, a straight carbon tax would be better, but politically unacceptable.

The beauty of statistics - you get to see what you want.

I wouldnt be surprised if China surpassed the US in 2006...but I dont think any official stats to that effect are available yet.

So we are now probably number two...and both the US and China are millions of metric tons above any other country....which IMO means we both should be taking the lead on reducing emissions, but as a US citizen, I cant have much impact on China (well, maybe boycott "made in china" products)

The per capita emissions is interesting...US - #10, China - #91...but not as relevant to me, particularly since the top nine countries are so small, their impact is neglible.

I'm more concerned about total metric tons and what we can do to lower ours....not because of the still debatable impact on climate change, but because IMO, its good public policy to lower greenhouse gas emissions in an environmentally and economically sustainable manner.

Much like the environmental programs of the 70s - clean water act, safe drinking water act, solid waste disposal act, toxic materials disposal act, and clean air act (which Bush rolled back to some extent)....,all were beneficial and despite all the industry dire warnings at the time, there were little or no adverse economic impacts...and in fact, they stimulated the development of cleaner technologies.

Not if it costs us billions while China can continue to chug along and build a new coal fired plant each week with no controls.