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GunMaster357 05-31-2010 10:41 AM

Israeli naval commandos stormed a flotilla of ships
 
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JERUSALEM — Israeli naval commandos stormed a flotilla of ships carrying aid and hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists to the blockaded Gaza Strip on Monday, killing nine passengers in a botched raid that provoked international outrage and a diplomatic crisis. Dozens of activists and six Israeli soldiers were wounded in the bloody predawn confrontation in international waters. The violent takeover dealt yet another blow to Israel's international image, already tarnished by war crimes accusations in Gaza and its 3-year-old blockade of the impoverished Palestinian territory.

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I think the shit has just hit the fan.

Right now, estimations run from 10 to 20 killed and many wounded.

richlevy 05-31-2010 11:03 AM

You might hear references to the Altalena Affair in this discussion. This was an altercation between Jewish insurgents and the Jewish army before Israel independence.

Also there is the Karine_A_Affair which was 2002 and involved 30 tons of weapons bound for Palestine.

I'm curious if weapons will be found on board the ships.

Still, it was a stupid move. The loss of support will probably outweigh the short term tactical advantage even if weapons are found. Taking the ship in international waters could be construed to be an act of piracy. If Israel wanted to create a blockade, they should have declared one and intercepted the ship along their coast.

Undertoad 05-31-2010 04:46 PM

Botched to say the least: sending soldiers with paintball guns into an angry mob, as an opening move.


GunMaster357 06-01-2010 02:03 AM

As I said in another thread, politicians react, they don't act.

I'm beginnig to think that to get elected, you have to be as empty headed as a blonde.

And comparing a politician to a blonde might be construed as an insult for blondes.

TheMercenary 06-01-2010 12:37 PM

I wonder if they were in international waters or waters where they claim they are territorial, most countries have a difference and even those boundries are disputed by adversaries.

classicman 06-01-2010 12:49 PM

Everything I've seen says international. Bad move on a number of levels - IMO.

TheMercenary 06-01-2010 12:58 PM

If they have found supposed ships in the past that were suppose to carrying "humanitarian aid" and was found to be full of weapons I think I would stop every ship too.

classicman 06-01-2010 01:34 PM

Thats your choice, but don't do it in international waters.

classicman 06-01-2010 01:35 PM

OH and I just read something about this group that has been found to be less than a charitable organization repeatedly in the past.

Bullitt 06-01-2010 02:37 PM

According to the BBC: "The UN Charter on the Law of the Sea says only if a vessel is suspected to be transporting weapons, or weapons of mass destruction, can it be boarded in international waters. Otherwise the permission of the ship's flag carrying nation must be sought."

Israel complains its soldiers were attacked, but what kind of welcome were they expecting exactly? Lei's and a BBQ?

jinx 06-01-2010 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richlevy (Post 659619)
I'm curious if weapons will be found on board the ships.

Reminded me of this Time article about the Arctic Sea hijacking.

classicman 06-01-2010 08:53 PM

No weapons - kids toys, and medical equipment so far.

Undertoad 06-01-2010 09:18 PM

Arab Media Reports on Flotilla Participants: Writing Wills, Preparing for Martyrdom, Determined to Reach Gaza or Die

TheMercenary 06-02-2010 08:57 AM

They went looking for a confrontation. They got one.

TheMercenary 06-02-2010 09:50 AM

Biased, but worth looking into:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...897667,00.html

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VIDEO - The ongoing interrogation of passengers who were aboard the Marmara – the Gaza aid flotilla's flagship – revealed that the majority of those who attacked the Israeli Naval Commandos boarding the ship have direct and indirect Global Jihad ties.

Israel's investigation has revealed some 100 people infiltrated the peace and humanitarian aid activists making their way to Gaza, with the explicit design to attack Israeli soldiers using cold arms.


Some among that group are believed to have ties with World Jihad groups, mainly al-Qaeda.

The majority of suspects are Turks, but some are Yemenites and Indonesian. One Yemenite Islamist was photographed with a dagger in his belt prior to the raid.

The suspects are not cooperating with investigators. Most of them have no identification papers, and Israeli authorities are still trying to ascertain their identity.

Nevertheless, it is clear that the majority were recruited by the same IHH handler who organized the flotilla.


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