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Gravdigr 06-13-2011 04:43 PM

What Am I?
 
What's right? What's left? What's liberal? What's conservative? I'm happy to say I don't know. And that's no accident. I have purposely avoided left/right/liberal/conservative labels all my thinking life.

I am going to make a few statements on my thoughts and beliefs. Please comment on whether the statement leans left or right. Liberal or conservative. And label the group of statements, as a whole, left/right/liberal/conservative.

I will not go off on anybody, argue, tell you you're stupid or any of that shit. I promise.

Now, you guys, y'all can argue all ya want.:D

1. I think G.W. Bush was not the greatest president he might have been, but, I thank God that Al Gore was not our president on Sept. 11. I think we would have had thousands more dead Americans by now if he had been.

2. I think all high school grads/eighteen-year-olds should do a mandatory two year turn in the military.

3. I think marijuana should as legal as cigarettes/booze.

4. While a friendly regime is always preferable, I don't think who is in charge of {insert Middle-East country here} is really any of our business.

5. I think if you're a country, and you got the minds to produce nuclear weapons, or nuclear energy, the rest of the world should either bomb you out of existence, or STFU.

6. I don't think it matters who the President is, or what color, for that matter. The office of the POTUS is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the group of CEOs and board chairmen that actually run this country. (I know this contradicts statement #1, sue me.)

7. I'm not sure there is a God. I'm not sure there's not a God. But, I do believe more people have been killed over religion than by all the diseases and accidents in history.

8. I don't think having a felony conviction should prevent you from working anywhere but a bank, or a school.

9. I know there are situations, but, I am not a fan of bankruptcy.

10. I think the plaintiffs in stupid 'hot-coffee-in-my-lap'-type lawsuits should have to give half of their award to charity.

11. I think guns are cool.

12. I think the tax rate ought to be 30% flat rate across the board for every man woman and company, no matter how big.

13. I think we should only import items/goods into this country if no one here makes it.

14. I think if you're a company that exports goods to the US, you should have to have a factory(s) here.

15. I think this is as good a place as any to STFU.

So, am I right? Left? Liberal? Conservative? Need more info, just ask.

:corn:

classicman 06-13-2011 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)

So, am I right? Left? Liberal? Conservative?

Yes

piercehawkeye45 06-13-2011 06:34 PM

Someone who doesn't need an ideology. That's the way to go.

monster 06-13-2011 06:47 PM

fucked.

ZenGum 06-13-2011 07:02 PM

You're just a good ole boy,
Never meanin' no harm ...

Spexxvet 06-14-2011 08:33 AM

I'll play.
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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
1. I think G.W. Bush was not the greatest president he might have been, but, I thank God that Al Gore was not our president on Sept. 11. I think we would have had thousands more dead Americans by now if he had been.

Conservative. You have an opinion that cannot be proved either way, but since you believe a repubican would have done better, I would call that a conservative opinion.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
2. I think all high school grads/eighteen-year-olds should do a mandatory two year turn in the military.

Liberal.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
3. I think marijuana should as legal as cigarettes/booze.

Liberal.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
4. While a friendly regime is always preferable, I don't think who is in charge of {insert Middle-East country here} is really any of our business.

Liberal.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
5. I think if you're a country, and you got the minds to produce nuclear weapons, or nuclear energy, the rest of the world should either bomb you out of existence, or STFU.

Conservative.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
6. I don't think it matters who the President is, or what color, for that matter. The office of the POTUS is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the group of CEOs and board chairmen that actually run this country. (I know this contradicts statement #1, sue me.)

Conservative.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
7. I'm not sure there is a God. I'm not sure there's not a God. But, I do believe more people have been killed over religion than by all the diseases and accidents in history.

Liberal.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
8. I don't think having a felony conviction should prevent you from working anywhere but a bank, or a school.

Liberal.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
9. I know there are situations, but, I am not a fan of bankruptcy.

Conservative.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
10. I think the plaintiffs in stupid 'hot-coffee-in-my-lap'-type lawsuits should have to give half of their award to charity.

Thinking that some lawsuits are stupid or frivolous = conservative. Giving to charity = Liberal.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
11. I think guns are cool.

Gay :stickpoke::p: conservative

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
12. I think the tax rate ought to be 30% flat rate across the board for every man woman and company, no matter how big.

30%=Liberal. Flat tax=conservative.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
13. I think we should only import items/goods into this country if no one here makes it.

Liberal.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 739856)
14. I think if you're a company that exports goods to the US, you should have to have a factory(s) here.

Liberal.

DanaC 06-14-2011 08:42 AM

Compulsory military service is a 'liberal' view??

Spexxvet 06-14-2011 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 739928)
Compulsory military service is a 'liberal' view??

Oops! In my mind, I thought "service", like Peace Corp. I'm not sure that compulsory military service is a conservative view, either. That's a tricky one.

footfootfoot 06-14-2011 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 739928)
Compulsory military service is a 'liberal' view??

Yes, because it is the slightly sluttier sister of free healthcare for all citizens.

footfootfoot 06-14-2011 09:09 AM

My dad used to say "A liberal is only a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet."

For what it's worth.

Spexxvet 06-14-2011 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot (Post 739939)
My dad used to say "A liberal is only a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet."

For what it's worth.

My dad used to say "a conservative is only a liberal who hasn't been persecuted for not being christian, falsely detained and tortured, and kept in the underclass yet." :p:

Spexxvet 06-14-2011 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 739942)
My dad used to say "a conservative is only a liberal who hasn't been persecuted for not being christian, falsely detained and tortured, and kept in the underclass yet." :p:

"And forced to bear a child that she didn't want, and prohibited from marrying anyone (s)he wants" :p::p:

classicman 06-14-2011 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by spexx
Thinking that some lawsuits are stupid or frivolous = conservative. Giving to charity = Liberal.

:bs::redcard:

Most of what I've experienced has been contrary to that. I did a quick Google and found a few links which all seemed to say the same thing -
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-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.
Although the stats are from a few years ago, I would say they are probably still relatively accurate. Its about an even split with conservatives getting a slight edge.
I've been volunteering for a long time now and most of the people are not what I expected. I was surprised to find such a mix of young/old, wealthy/average, male/female... there were far more religious than not, but that is because they come as groups from their churches and (I think) skews the numbers.

classicman 06-14-2011 09:45 AM

Gravdigr - I'd say your pretty much in the middle of things.
Did you try taking the Political Compass quiz

DanaC 06-14-2011 09:54 AM

The religious aspect probably skews the liberal-conservative ratio as well.


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