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henry quirk 12-14-2012 08:58 AM

right to work/unions
 
The floor is yours: educate us.

Happy Monkey 12-14-2012 05:03 PM

The right to mooch.

BigV 12-14-2012 05:38 PM

see: Little Red Hen.

sexobon 12-14-2012 08:21 PM

As corporations are being treated more and more like human entities, with the courts upholding rights and privileges thereof, it's only a natural progression that corporations would want to enter into monogamous civil unions with their employees to the exclusion of courting third parties. Oppression of nontraditional civil unions between corporations and individual people should not be tolerated. Potential life partners (i.e. employees) should not be denied the opportunity for benefits; or, a legal say-so in the interests of a prospective employer by those who believe that only their kinds of unions are legitimate. Everyone should have a right to work on their unions. I don't think I could discuss anything else with anyone who doesn't agree. Those who believe otherwise are bitter-scorned and I'm afraid of them.

Lamplighter 12-14-2012 08:28 PM

But the churches still will not support such monogamous civil unions,
particularly if they are ordained by the government, and so demand
equal coverage of health care and reproductive rights.

ZenGum 12-14-2012 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 843895)
As corporations are being treated more and more like human entities, with the courts upholding rights and privileges thereof, it's only a natural progression that corporations would want to enter into monogamous civil unions with their employees to the exclusion of courting third parties. Oppression of nontraditional civil unions between corporations and individual people should not be tolerated. Potential life partners (i.e. employees) should not be denied the opportunity for benefits; or, a legal say-so in the interests of a prospective employer by those who believe that only their kinds of unions are legitimate. Everyone should have a right to work on their unions. I don't think I could discuss anything else with anyone who doesn't agree. Those who believe otherwise are bitter-scorned and I'm afraid of them.


:lol: :lol2:

It's the work/divorces that get really messy.

toranokaze 12-14-2012 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 843896)
But the churches still will not support such monogamous civil unions,
particularly if they are ordained by the government, and so demand
equal coverage of health care and reproductive rights.

They have that it is called a merger, and when they were sick ( lossing money on bad bets) we gave them free medicine( a bunch of money) you know government health care for corporations.

Spexxvet 12-15-2012 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 843897)
:lol: :lol2:

It's the work/divorces that get really messy.

And the battle over custody of the widgets.

xoxoxoBruce 12-15-2012 12:39 PM

The founding fathers set up a three way balance of power between the executive, legislative, and courts, to keep everything cool. They couldn't foresee the rise of corporations giving the power/money to a small segment of privileged.
The result was an economic roller coaster, recession after recession, as the power was now a two way between the government and the robber barons, with the people just collateral damage.

The great depression was the last straw, so FDR & Co passed laws for unions to make the people the balancing third party. It worked well, making the country thrive, keeping the wealthy rich, and building a consumer middle class. Go us and U.S.

Unions are like mini-democracies, and as the workers got complacent they neglected the union and government, letting scumbags take control. But even as the scumbags were making themselves rich, they were still doing well by the workers.

Enter a new type of robber barons who had all the money they could ever need but wanted more just for bragging rights, and didn't give a shit about the country. They needed to break the power balance, and even buying politicians/lobbyists the federal government was too strong.

That left the unions as the only viable target. The only way was to break the unions by circumventing them with a "global economy", then a state by state campaign to castrate the unions with anti-collective bargaining and "right to work" laws.

xoxoxoBruce 12-15-2012 09:30 PM

This guy has his head on straight.

tw 12-16-2012 11:23 AM

Everyone always had the right to work in any state. Unions are created by adversarial management. Need to eliminate unions? Then first eliminate the reason for unions.

ZenGum 12-16-2012 05:05 PM

Unions are absolutely necessary, because they give the 1% someone else to blame when they shut down the factory and move production to China.


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