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Griff 06-01-2013 06:43 AM

Turkey in Trouble
 
Turkey is always the example when we talk about secular democracy in the world of Islam. Unfortunately the Islamists have won a couple elections in a row and Turks who don't want to be ruled by the religious have taken to the streets only to be met with tear gas and rubber bullets.

It looks very bad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22739423
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-980179
http://www.businessinsider.com/turke...cannons-2013-5

orthodoc 06-01-2013 06:51 AM

I saw that last night ... horrible photos and video. One great thing about technology and the net is that now everyone is a reporter. It's much harder for this stuff to be swept under the rug.

Griff 06-01-2013 08:33 AM

My brother worked in Turkey for a couple years. He really loved the people and their commitment to a secular state. The spark for this could happen here really. The state condemned a significant green space for a mall. It looks like the environmentalists were joined by people who support freedom of assembly (and a place to assemble rather than a private mall) and booze hounds pissed off by Islamic over-reach. The more I look at it the more familiar it feels. We start electing preachers we get the same thing. What is different is a secular conservative military willing to intervene. I don't think our military would step in but I also doubt its commitment to secular government.

xoxoxoBruce 06-01-2013 08:42 AM

All becuase the Imans told them a secular government is something to fear... and we proved it.

Griff 06-01-2013 08:45 AM

Looks like the back-pedaling has begun.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ist...&NewsCatID=341

I wonder what would have happened if the were allowed into the EU before the nutters got elected?

xoxoxoBruce 06-01-2013 08:56 AM

OK, they are going to back down, at least reduce the scope of the project to an acceptable level.

I guess that means the people, and the cops that brutalized them for five days, can go have tea together. Hey, it wasn't personal, just business.

Sundae 06-01-2013 01:30 PM

I've met quite a few Turks and I've really liked and respected them.
They've come to Britain for a better, more profitable and a more free life. What's not to like?

Oh and they love larger women and their version of misogyny is to give ladies they like free or highly discounted food; something that has never offended me. Then again if you have a lot of tanked-up male customers after the pubs close, maybe a porcelain-skinned lady who says please and thank-you is a breath of fresh air. Before I eat the onion anyway...

One of the barriers to Turkey's entry to the EU is their adherence to the death penalty.
Seems we deem it barbarous...

They've been a good friend to Europe, a mediator and reasonable East/ West buffer. Algeria, Morocco and Turkey are all on my wish-list for travel. Kebabs, souks and hamams/ massage do probably over-influence my opinion though.

Sorry, I did start off with the intention of making a real contribution to the debate, but I have Britain's Got Talent on in the background. I blame TV for dumbing down my posts. Well, that's what Sky News tells me anyway.

footfootfoot 06-01-2013 02:55 PM

Actually, their numbers are doing better than ever.

Griff 06-01-2013 03:45 PM

I rescued a few farm turkey poults from ineffective parenting a couple weeks ago. I put them back out in the shed today where one was immediately adopted by an insane broody hen (chicken). So there is a chicken with a turkey 1/3 her size under her now. All my birds are wack jobs.

Crimson Ghost 06-01-2013 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griff (Post 866805)
I rescued a few farm turkey poults from ineffective parenting a couple weeks ago. I put them back out in the shed today where one was immediately adopted by an insane broody hen (chicken). So there is a chicken with a turkey 1/3 her size under her now. All my birds are wack jobs.

It's fowl to threadjack...

Griff 06-02-2013 05:13 AM

If you love a thread set it free. If it comes back to you, it's yours. If it doesn't, maybe it wasn't that interesting.

US State Department speaks out

xoxoxoBruce 06-02-2013 10:46 AM

After the State Dept speaks out, Turkey strikes back.

Griff 06-02-2013 01:19 PM

seamless

ZenGum 06-02-2013 07:13 PM

The Assad regime in Syria has publicly rebuked Turkey for brutalising it's civilians.


:lol:


Just a tit-for-tat criticism, but it amused me.

Aliantha 06-02-2013 09:01 PM

I was wondering if thanksgiving had come early...

ba dum bum!

Thanks folks. I'll be here all week!


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