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Bitmap 04-30-2003 09:32 AM

An Art Project
 
i've been working on a art project where i take poly styreen blocks and melt them in gasoline. yes i know this makes Napalm. but i don't care. what i'm looking for is the destruction of the block. when experementing with this some one told me that melting styrofoam in gasoline also produces Cyanide gas. But this doesn't make any sence.
In the old days when CFCs were used to make styrofoam i could understand that being released, but CFCs are no longer used.
Does any one know the chemistry behind this? i've looked online but i couldn't find any thing.

Yes, i will post a video of the project when i'm done.

xoxoxoBruce 04-30-2003 06:53 PM

If you get tired of gasoline, MEK does wonderful things to foam.;)

Bitmap 04-30-2003 06:54 PM

MEK?

xoxoxoBruce 04-30-2003 06:58 PM

Methel Ethel Ketone.:3eye:

Bitmap 04-30-2003 07:05 PM

after a bit of google research
 
I've come to the determination that MEK is probably not what i want to use. Gasoline is dangerous enough. Thankyou

xoxoxoBruce 04-30-2003 07:14 PM

Yeh, you're probably right. But, it does really cool things to foam. We used to take a 55 gallon drum of MEK and hook up 2 Binks spray guns to wash down turbine rotors. Did all kinds of experiments with plastics and cockroaches.

Nothing But Net 04-30-2003 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Methel Ethel Ketone.:3eye:
I think she was my date to the Sophomore Prom.

xoxoxoBruce 04-30-2003 09:25 PM

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I think she was my date to the Sophomore Prom.
I'll bet she got you off.:p

Whit 05-01-2003 02:18 AM

     MEK is some good stuff. Get some gas or oil on your hands? MEK will clean it, and the top skin layer, right off. When I worked in a metal shop we would use it to cut through caked on, old grease. Worked like a charm, as long as you didn't breath.
     I don't know about the foam/gas mixture making cyanide, but I know it gives off something nasty. I'll call a friend tomorrow. He's into that kind of thing. Um... That sounds bad doesn't it?

Bitmap 05-01-2003 10:47 PM

<b>Whit:</b> That would be awesome!
Yea after some thinking i know it can't produce Cyanide there are no Nitrogen ions in the reaction. Cyanide: CN<sup> -1</sup><sub>&nbsp;</sub>

elSicomoro 05-01-2003 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by Whit
He's into that kind of thing. Um... That sounds bad doesn't it?
Don't ask, don't tell. :)

Whit 05-02-2003 05:48 PM

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Okay, here's what I found out. It's not cyanide gas that is released, it's styrene gas. Very toxic. I guess you don't have to be mental giant to get that STYrene might be found in STYrofaom... It seem that early on there was a problem with any kind of alchohol being served in styrofaom cups. Go figure.
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sorry for the lateness of the reply. Hope this helps. Though I guess you're left with the original position of doing it in a very well ventilated place. Like outdoors... With a mild or stronger breeze...

xoxoxoBruce 05-02-2003 06:21 PM

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alchohol being served in styrofaom cups.
Tea with lemon would dissolve them too.:vomit:

Bitmap 05-02-2003 07:43 PM

<b>Whit:</b> Thank you very much. And thanks for the smiles from the rest of you. :p


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