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ladysycamore 03-04-2004 03:28 PM

Sept. 11 Families Disgusted by Bush Campaign Ads
 
Sept. 11 Families Disgusted by Bush Campaign Ads

richlevy 03-04-2004 09:41 PM

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One of the ads shows the charred wreckage of the twin towers with an American flag flying amid the debris. Another ad — and a Spanish-language version of it — use that image as well as firefighters carrying a flag-draped stretcher through the rubble as sirens are heard. Firefighters are shown in all the ads.
So does this mean we Democrats can begin showing flag-draped coffins being unloaded at Dover, or the Vietnam VeteransMemorial, or just the pictures of the 500+ servicemen and women killed in Iraq?

I can't believe the Bush campaign went there. Especially the flag-draped stretcher.:mad:

jaguar 03-05-2004 01:59 AM

That's some cheap shit. I hope they get fucked at the polls for that one. Not that I didn't hope they get fucked at the polls anyway. Not that kerry is much better.

russotto 03-05-2004 12:43 PM

The Kerry campaign is only disgusted they they didn't think of it first. There is no shame in political campaigning.

As for me, I'm staying home, and I think that's the principled stand this time around. One guy who pushed for the PATRIOT act and other violations of civil liberties, and another guy who voted for the damned thing. Forget it.

Slartibartfast 03-05-2004 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by russotto

As for me, I'm staying home, and I think that's the principled stand this time around. One guy who pushed for the PATRIOT act and other violations of civil liberties, and another guy who voted for the damned thing. Forget it.

A non-vote doesn't send a strong enough message. Vote for an independant or third part candidate that doesn't stand a chance to make it in. This two party system is fucked, we need new input.

warch 03-05-2004 01:15 PM

A nonvote or third party vote is a vote for the originator of the Patriot act.

russotto 03-05-2004 01:37 PM

I believe a non-vote is marginally better than a third party vote. Third party votes are ignored and often the totals of the other candidates are rounded up to hide the minor parties. But not voting reduces the voter turnout number, which does get reported.

And warch: no, a non-vote is NOT a vote for the originator of the PATRIOT act, whoever that might be. It's simply not a vote.

Note that it's not really clear who originated the PATRIOT act anyway. The act is really a laundry list of law-enforcement wet dreams that they've been trying to get passed for years but the time wasn't right. What is clear is that BOTH major candidates support it.

warch 03-05-2004 03:05 PM

Bipartisan yeah, I remember the turnaround, but clearly introduced and quickly, aggressively pushed by the republican administration. (There is a sunset provision I'm hoping to cash in on.)
I'm not getting a perfect candidate. Seems the choice will be Kerry or Bush. I'm going with the lesser evil, in my mind, Kerry.

Why not write in for Russ Feingold?
I think refusing to show up is an easier out, not a strong strategy for change. But maybe youre right.

I was reading a piece by Sarah Vowell, where she sites a scene from the Breakfast Club:

Jock: Why do YOU have a fake id?
Geek: to vote.

I gotta vote.

Griff 03-05-2004 03:10 PM

When I look at the foreign policy positions of both candidates, I weigh them against 9-11 as instructed by Bush Co. Both of these clowns support interventionionism THE root cause of 9-11. Don't feed me any of that innocent America crap tonight...I'm in no mood.

jaguar 03-05-2004 03:17 PM

Give them jobs, cars and condos and they'll stop bombing you. It's fairly straight forward.

russotto 03-05-2004 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by jaguar
Give them jobs, cars and condos and they'll stop bombing you. It's fairly straight forward.
ROTFL. Give them jobs, cars, and condos and they'll use the condo as a base to build car bombs using materials stolen from their employers.

Appeasement never worked before and won't work now. And it's NOT all America's (or even the First World's) fault.

jaguar 03-05-2004 04:22 PM

I don't see much evidence of happy, wealthy individuals anywhere engaging in life endangering acts of terrorism on a major scale. I do see a long history of repressed impoverished people turning towards extremist causes that give them something to blame for their misfortune.

If Germany was not an impoverished mess after WW1 and the treaty do you think Hitler would have rose to power? Do you think the current neo-nazi revival in Russia has nothing to do with economic conditions?

xoxoxoBruce 03-05-2004 05:28 PM

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I don't see much evidence of happy, wealthy individuals anywhere engaging in life endangering acts of terrorism on a major scale.
But I think we have seen them financing some extremist groups on a major scale. Of course it could have been blackmail/extortion.

I'm with warch, vote. Write in Saddam if you must, but let them know you were there and didn't buy their line of shit. While your at it, write them a letter and tell them so.

russotto 03-05-2004 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by jaguar
I don't see much evidence of happy, wealthy individuals anywhere engaging in life endangering acts of terrorism on a major scale.

There is none so blind as he who will not see. Neither Osama bin Laden nor the September 11th hijackers themselves were poor slobs in a mud hovel somewhere.

No, they weren't happy individuals. I hope Osama's even less happy now. But poverty wasn't what made them unhappy.

slang 03-06-2004 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
I'm with warch, vote. Write in Saddam if you must, but let them know you were there and didn't buy their line of shit. While your at it, write them a letter and tell them so.
Those of you that know me know that I support Bush, however, Bruce and Warch seem to have the most effective suggestion IMO.

Senator Santorum doesnt know me personally but his staff does know I vote and....... I write original letters* to his office, not some bs form letter.


* - That's why there is always a white cube van parked at various different locations on my walking route to work and around my apartment.


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